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Lifer
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Yeah, I'm sure Obama would have handled 9/11 and Katrina - with no Katrina lesson's learned - much more super duper than Bush...haha, the delusion is strong with you.... I can hear Obama at ground zero: "We can't hear you!" Silence. "Yo, we can't hear you!!!" "Calm people....my teleprompter is almost set up. Lets all turn to Mecca and bow as a show of respect while we wait..." :thumbsup:

Chuck

Once again we hear from right-wing neoconservatives that Obama is somehow an apologist for terrorism, a terrorist sympathizer. And I just do now know what world you momos live in, certainly not the real world where the rest of us live. The truth is Obama has increased, not decreased, the budget for the Dept of Defense. The truth is he has escalated the war in Afghanistan, he's running a not-so-secret secret war in Pakistan. He's dropped bombs in Yemen. He has kept tens of thousands of our men and women in Iraq, as well as permanent bases and an embassy larger than the Vatican. And here at home, our privates are being groped by the TSA and talk of Indefinite Detention gives civil liberty groups a case of the facepalms.

Those of us who say these things not because we are happy about the truth, but because we are highly disappointed by it, wish we lived in the same fantasy world where you neocons reside.
 

chucky2

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Attacking Iraq because of the September 11th attacks makes as much sense as if Franklin Roosevelt had responded to Pearl Harbor by attacking Siam.

It is unreal this has to be explained. Seriously. We didn't attack Iraq because what they did on 9/11 - which is nothing. We attacked Iraq because of policy shift after 9/11.

How is that not 'water is wet' obvious? Did you really believe that when the Bush Admin was talking about WMD, that that was the only reason we were going to Iraq (I await the inevitable dumbf*ck snide remark about 'finishing Daddy's work' and/or 'oil')?

Lawdy....

Chuck
 

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I'm not a NeoCon, I'm a Realist. Sorry if Reality is too harsh for you...

...until the US wants to make some very large changes - very large - we are not in the position to ignore 9/11's by going to a sh1thole country like Afghanistan, defeat the Taliban - if that's even possible, given the brainwashed and F'd up masses in that region, miss OBL - the whole point of going there, and still have zero change in the Muslim world because Afghanistan is not a central sh1thole that anyone cares about. Afghani's don't care about Afghanistan.

Sometimes Reality is not popular....

Chuck
 

CitizenKain

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I'm not a NeoCon, I'm a Realist. Sorry if Reality is too harsh for you...

...until the US wants to make some very large changes - very large - we are not in the position to ignore 9/11's by going to a sh1thole country like Afghanistan, defeat the Taliban - if that's even possible, given the brainwashed and F'd up masses in that region, miss OBL - the whole point of going there, and still have zero change in the Muslim world because Afghanistan is not a central sh1thole that anyone cares about. Afghani's don't care about Afghanistan.

Sometimes Reality is not popular....

Chuck

You are supposedly a realist yet blindly defend the Iraq war. Nope, you are a neocon.
 

chucky2

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I don't blindly defend the Iraq war. The Iraq war should never have taken resources away from Afghanistan. The Iraq war should have had massive public works projects pushed literally on top of securing the country - with local labor hired and paid with real pay. The Iraq war should have had at least 50% more troops on-hand. The Iraq war should have had the SecDef replaced at least a year earlier, if not more. All these things are ultimately Bush's fault.

That still doesn't mean going into Iraq was a bad idea long term.

Label me all you want, I'm not a NeoCon by any stretch....just because I don't need things solved in a '15 minute of fame' timeframe so as to not interrupt my Dancing with the Stars, doesn't mean I am one.

Chuck
 

JSt0rm

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chucky stfu. Iraq was a retarded fucking mistake and one that osama bin llama wanted us to make. So fucking sit down.
 

chucky2

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chucky stfu. Iraq was a retarded fucking mistake and one that osama bin llama wanted us to make. So fucking sit down.

Look, I know it hurts the very core of your being that your primary rage source (Bush) made the right call at the right time (just with not 100% right execution) about your primary rage topic (Iraq). I don't expect this to be easy for you to take, given how long now Lefties have agreed with each other and agreed with the non-important and foot dragging 'rest of the world'...because they too don't like being told Lead Follow or GTFOoTW.

I realize it's too long term and too Right for you to grasp.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a good call to make. Just that leaving Afghanistan was a bad one; although, given how awesome our Allies perceive themselves, you'd think they'd easily have been able to take care of some cave dwellers all cornered without us...

Chuck
 

JSt0rm

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Look, I know it hurts the very core of your being that your primary rage source (Bush) made the right call at the right time (just with not 100% right execution) about your primary rage topic (Iraq). I don't expect this to be easy for you to take, given how long now Lefties have agreed with each other and agreed with the non-important and foot dragging 'rest of the world'...because they too don't like being told Lead Follow or GTFOoTW.

I realize it's too long term and too Right for you to grasp.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a good call to make. Just that leaving Afghanistan was a bad one; although, given how awesome our Allies perceive themselves, you'd think they'd easily have been able to take care of some cave dwellers all cornered without us...

Chuck

fuck you're stupid
 

ElFenix

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what does iraq have to do with michelle obama using her bully pulpit to improve eating habits?
 

chucky2

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what does iraq have to do with michelle obama using her bully pulpit to improve eating habits?

It has the same amount to do with this thread as Obama being "'prepaired' then 'your boy' GWB", meaning, nothing.

Chuck
 

xj0hnx

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Look, I know it hurts the very core of your being that your primary rage source (Bush) made the right call at the right time (just with not 100% right execution) about your primary rage topic (Iraq).

In no way, shape or form was Iraq the "right call". Daddy's mistake? No, more like Rumsfield's mistake, or whichever buckets of chum help put Saddam in power back when they loved any dictator friendly to the west.
 

chucky2

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Sorry, I disagree, about going into Iraq. Obviously putting Saddam into power back in the day didn't turn out well, that doesn't need to be debated. The Muslim's needed to be sent a message that could not be missed, which was sent with Iraq - Afghanistan is a sh1thole no one cares about. That it removed a nutcase who eventually would have, or his sons would have, got some type of WMD, was just icing on the cake. That it moved the people of Iraq forward about 150 years on the social scale is more icing on the cake.

I realize it wasn't worth it to whoever lost a loved on here, no matter what the outcome was, nothing would ever have made it truly worthwhile. I realize there never should have been tax cuts in the middle of a World War (IMO, there should be a line on our paychecks for War Spending - call it exactly that, no sugar coating it - so people can see exactly what it's costing them).

However, long term, Iraq was the right call: If the Iraqi's/fundi's don't F it up.

Chuck
 

xj0hnx

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Sorry, I disagree, about going into Iraq. Obviously putting Saddam into power back in the day didn't turn out well, that doesn't need to be debated. The Muslim's needed to be sent a message that could not be missed, which was sent with Iraq - Afghanistan is a sh1thole no one cares about. That it removed a nutcase who eventually would have, or his sons would have, got some type of WMD, was just icing on the cake. That it moved the people of Iraq forward about 150 years on the social scale is more icing on the cake.

I realize it wasn't worth it to whoever lost a loved on here, no matter what the outcome was, nothing would ever have made it truly worthwhile. I realize there never should have been tax cuts in the middle of a World War (IMO, there should be a line on our paychecks for War Spending - call it exactly that, no sugar coating it - so people can see exactly what it's costing them).

However, long term, Iraq was the right call: If the Iraqi's/fundi's don't F it up.

Chuck

It doesn't matter if everyone in Iraq has a air conditioned house, with power, running water, and a fat bank account, it was still in no way, shape, or form a good idea. It isn't our job to secure a future for Iraq, and it isn't our job to remove leaders just because they talk shit, and have dickheads for children. The soldiers lost alone is reason for it not to be worth it, not too even mention the Everest like mountain of money we pissed away on that bullshit war, on that bullshit country, which also happened to be one of the very few secular countries in the region. We had NO business invading Iraq, they weren't a threat to us, and wouldn't have been for a VERY long time. As someone who was there it is offensive hearing all these bullshit, after the fact justifications for invading a country we had no reason, or business to invade.
 

CallMeJoe

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It is unreal this has to be explained. Seriously...
My sincere apologies for giving you the impetus to so fully expose the depths of your ignorance.

My further apologies to the other posters in the thread for contributing to the derailing of this thread; it was quite sufficient to allow our resident "conservatives" (especially the OP) to expose the full extent of their paranoia and the degree of their disconnection from reality.
The First Lady should be able to suggest to a restaurant association that it would be nice to have healthier foods and more reasonable portions available without a chorus of idiots denouncing her attempt to "steal all our freedoms". You're as dim as Half-Governor Palin delivering cookies to that school in Pennsylvania, protesting the ban on sweets in school - a ban that no one had even suggested, much less implemented.
 

chucky2

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They were deemed a threat at the time, and hence were removed from threat status. 9/11 happened because of radical Muslim brainwashing, pure and simple.

How are you going to get the radical elements of Islam, who control countries and schools, reformed and not have it take 1000 years? This isn't 1900, where there is no WMD and no one (comparatively) from the ME is coming to the US. This is 2003 where there's international travel happening every instant, and WMD knowledge is prolific - only the materials and will are needed.

You think after 9/11 the POTUS didn't call the intelligence leaders into the WH and ream them 4 new @ssholes each? You think those intelligence leaders didn't do the same thing to their subordinates? And so on down the line? What do you think was going to happen when they re-plowed through all their intelligence, and new intelligence - right or wrong, WhoTF knows - came in? D@mn straight it was going to get passed on up the chain this time, because who's going to take the chance? So when the 'err on the side of no more 9/11's' intelligence comes onto the POTUS's desk, and he's got two smoking rubble piles in his largest city, exactly what action did you expect him to take at that time?? Now, this wasn't SA, where everyone is getting oil from. Or UAE. Or Iran. Or Egypt. This was Iraq. With a F'ing idiot who continuously plays the world for fun (gee, like another idiot from North Korea we all love). A country not giving any real oil (but apperantly money to the French) and one that everyone can't stand. And now its psycho dictator is pursuing WMD: Because that's how it's going to look to POTUS who gets the intelligence at that level.

Bush made the right call at the time. He didn't go about it well (too few troops, too little infra package to quell the civilians), he d@mn sure didn't fund it well, but he made the right call.

And maybe, just F'ing maybe, the Iraqi's in 50 years will have less fundi's teaching at religous schools, influencing their policy etc. Maybe. Just maybe that'll start dragging the rest of that region by the short hairs forward.

That's better than having done nothing, and still having to deal with Psycho Saddam, then his Psycho Sons, and having not changed a d@mn thing in that region as far as making progress.

Now Iraq is only 350 years behind instead of 700...

Chuck
 
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chucky2

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My sincere apologies for giving you the impetus to so fully expose the depths of your ignorance.

My further apologies to the other posters in the thread for contributing to the derailing of this thread; it was quite sufficient to allow our resident "conservatives" (especially the OP) to expose the full extent of their paranoia and the degree of their disconnection from reality.
The First Lady should be able to suggest to a restaurant association that it would be nice to have healthier foods and more reasonable portions available without a chorus of idiots denouncing her attempt to "steal all our freedoms". You're as dim as Half-Governor Palin delivering cookies to that school in Pennsylvania, protesting the ban on sweets in school - a ban that no one had even suggested, much less implemented.

Nice rant. You must care about Palin to bring her up....I don't. Go check out my OP in this thread....clearly I'm a raving NeoCon...lulz...
 

chucky2

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So first I was a NeoCon for the past few posts, so sure, then, now, I'm not. Just think how hard the Muslim's in Iraq have it after being born, raised, and educated in an environment that brainwashes them. They don't get to click on 1 and clearly read either....you got halfway straightened out in one click, they might get halfway straightened out in one century...

Chuck
 

JSt0rm

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You are a neocon. from wiki

"In foreign policy it defines national interests to include ideological interests e.g. the defense of other nations with similar ideologies for geopolitical purposes, proposing to use American economic and military power to bring democracy and capitalism to other countries."

^^ this is you. You're idiocy comes from continuing these failed ideas AND also giving your opinion as fact. You can say 1000 times that it was the right call, this doesn't make it so.