Obama's Safe Schools Czar Promoting Porn And Extreme Sex In The Classroom (NSFW)

[ebaycj]

Bullshit. Those discussions create a hostile environment for children who are forced to endure them as much as any co-worker who would happen to hear them in passing. Sure, maybe the 1 or 2 morons who want to push the bounds of good taste in class and work won't care, but the vast majority would take great offense at the topic. That you don't understand this only goes to show that you are one of the 1-2 morons who just doesn't get it.

Assumption.

 

[ebaycj]

I wonder if any of the folks posting here have any kids of their own and what age and sex they are? Also, if the commentary made is actually in some way a response to personal experiences with child molestation.

29, Male, No Kids, was not molested as a child.

why so few have the interests of the kids at heart.

Because so much damage to our personal liberties has been done "for the kids".
I don't give a flying fuck about your kids. I give a flying fuck about my liberties.

Note there is no strong validation of positive emotion in the quoted books or a tie-in with romantic love. That is a pretty strong and unwanted jump for kids that might be in protective families where respect of self, love of family, of God, of whatever, is part of daily life.

Again, I don't give a fuck about their kids. Nor do I give a fuck about their family's "protectiveness". Nor do I give a fuck about their teachings on "respect of self, love of family, of God, of whatever".

If they were truly "protective" wouldn't they have taken the "free market solution" and sent their kids to a "protective" private school?

 

[Robor]

You exist to service a machine, troll.

LOL @ a 10+ year member with 7 posts using one of them to call the PJBLABBER a troll. :awe:

Bravo, Gardener! :thumbsup:

 

[rudder]

There is no problem with this. Was it another Teacher? The audio is so poor it's hard to tell. However, if the kids are asking these questions, tell them the damn Truth about it.

College students yes.... 14 year olds... nope.

 

[Robor]

College students yes.... 14 year olds... nope.

A 14 year old is what - freshman (9th grade) in high school? I'm guessing they already know what fisting is which is why they asked the question. I'm guessing they know a lot worse than that too.

 

[Carmen813]

Actually, as I mentioned in previous threads, I have nothing against adults choosing adult partners whatsoever. At a certain, maybe arbitrary point, people need to take responsibility for their lives. I don't want to legislate against consenting adults keeping it between adults and I want government far far away from adult bedrooms.

My involvement in certain discussion topics, like gay marriage, is more often than not just that I like to have a good round of reasoned argument and with this group there are so many easy triggers.

Hatred is for fools. I haven't felt that emotion in a very long time so you got me all wrong there.

Mostly, as you and others make those false accusations, you make me laugh. You intend to distract from serious discussion, but show only personal weakness. Moreover, it really has become apparent that you and others don't recognize or accept that many people hold views completely different than yours and, more importantly, that those views may have extraordinary validity. You can't understand contrasting views whatever they may be, you fail at listening or you so detest the contrast that you lash out with malice and accusation much more reflective of your own intolerance.

The fact is there is a lot of hatred here. I don't know why each person has it, but maybe everyone who participates here uses this forum as a way to let off steam, while I am mostly just whiling away some time.

This topic, however, is one where I am definitely letting off steam while I consider a personal response that goes beyond simple discussion amongst strange strangers. That is why I up front advocate contacting those who have put this shitbird in public office and encouraging them in no uncertain terms to get him out of the system.

I have mentioned for as long as I have posted in this forum that I have a great concern for the welfare of families and particularly children. I have always felt that way, but having kids myself it is something that I consider daily. I am protective, do my best to be nurturing and have the scars to prove it.

Kids of 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and, yes, maybe 18 years old mostly don't know how to really handle someone gleefully demonstrating anal fisting while advocating for pedophilia and incest and a lot of other doubtful practices. That is, unless some helpful adult or peer have led them down that path. And that is what this guy and apparently a number of government sponsored programs are all about, like it or not. And they will continue with their agenda until more than a few people say this is not what we want to expose our kids to.

Obviously, many here disagree. They love this shitbird and his programs. Which is why I wonder what happened to their own lives.

You can call it a false accusation all you want, but it is you who is projecting the image of a gay basher. Frankly, you seem to think homosexuality means someone can't keep their hands to themselves. You also seem to believe (whether you will admit it or not) that being homosexual is a choice. It's not, and genetic studies are beginning to demonstrate that there are biologically sound reasons that some individuals end up being homosexual. Wouldn't it seem intuitive that homosexuality represents a fundamental failure of offspring, since they can't produce their own?

People can think that allowing equal rights for gay marriage somehow undermines their marriage all they want. I don't question their intentions, only their judgment. In reality, government should have absolutely no role in marriage. In fact I'd be just as apt to support a law abolishing governments role in marriage as I would be to support legalizing gay marriage. When we have hundreds of rights, many of which have nothing to do with raising a family, favoring heterosexual couples we've got a problem. Not to mention that co-habituating hetero- and homosexual couples lack many of the same rights.

There is no evidence in your post that 5-13 year olds were exposed to education about sexual acts. I imagine it's possible 12-13 year olds were, since that's 7th grade. However there is no evidence that GSLEN recommends anything like this to younger ages, and the GSLEN website specifically states that the books they recommend for adolescents may contain explicit material. I encourage you to actually VISIT their website and look through the education materials, they are all there for free under the educators section. As I said earlier, perhaps you should try reading a romance novel if you think this sort of content only appears in homosexual literature.

You claim to have "great concern" for the welfare of families and children, but in reality, all you have great concern for is your way of life. There have been mountains of psychological research conducted that demonstrate no damage done to children if they are raised by a homosexual couple.

In a perfect world do I think kids should be talk sexual acts? No. Hell, in a perfect world we wouldn't need sex education in schools because everyone would be taught by their parents about sex before it became a problem.

What I do know is that this is not a perfect world. If you don't think a 14 year old today could find the answer to any sexual question without asking this guy, you are sorely out of touch. The kid was probably expecting some idiotic answer, which would have undermined everything else the instructor was teaching. Instead it's laughed off and they moved on. If you could get past your outrage to see the bigger picture, you'd understand why that is more important. Hell, I remember when I was 16, my Catholic Sunday school teacher was asked if masturbation was a sin. The kids who asked this were trying to make a stupid joke. Instead he handled it seriously and professionally, which increased my respect for that man. I imagine in your eyes he did something wrong.

As someone who was raised Catholic, if you think Catholic education is going to protect your children, then I hope for their sake you get a clue.

Lastly, hatred doesn't have to be expressed or even felt for it to exist. You can claim to have purged it from your life all you want, but it's probably just kicking around in your unconscious. It comes out in every post you make about homosexuals. You compare legitimate groups like GSLEN to pedophiles at NAMBLA. You compared loving a member of the same sex to loving a tree. I'm sorry, you can claim to not hate gays all you want, but your posts don't pass the smell test.

 

[crownjules]

Lastly, hatred doesn't have to be expressed or even felt for it to exist. You can claim to have purged it from your life all you want, but it's probably just kicking around in your unconscious. It comes out in every post you make about homosexuals. You compare legitimate groups like GSLEN to pedophiles at NAMBLA. You compared loving a member of the same sex to loving a tree. I'm sorry, you can claim to not hate gays all you want, but your posts don't pass the smell test.

In this very thread, he states homosexuality is an "extreme sex act" akin to rape, incest, and pedophilia. That destroys any credibility whatsoever.

 

[MotF Bane]

For a variety of reasons, including requests by our kids that they be taken out of the public school system, we put them into Catholic schools. One trigger was the aggressiveness of sexual activity that each was experiencing. Our youngest, at 10, started to refuse to go to school as he did not want to participate in this early sexual aggressiveness. We did not find out the actual cause until recently - kids are not particularly comfortable in bringing topics like this out. By removing him from the distractions his reading level jumped two full years and he is now in all advanced classes. And though we are much more aware and cautious, we no longer have as much worry.

Sorry to burst your bubble (okay, no I'm not), Catholic schools are hardly bastions of sexual abstinence. Your whole paragraph reeks of bullshit anyways, and you are doing your children little good with this. Educationally, they will benefit, but socially...

Graduate of a Catholic 6-12 private school.

 

[StageLeft]

A lot of text and audio without vid, I don't really have a clue what's going on. I know that health class can do just fine without a display of how to properly fist. It's not really a skill that enhances the discussion or meaningfully assists kids.

I'm a bit on the fence with my daughter's school. She is five and they are promoting drug-free life. Come on, she is five, she watches movies about cartoon mouse ballerinas, she isn't struggling with say no to the meth dealer in the play yard. She has seen people smoking before and I've gone into that with her.

I give a thumbsup to pjabber's post # 18. I think my daughter is in a great school but my wife and I are always going to keep doors open on alternatives (like private school) if things do not go as we like. Public schools are a bureaucratic behemoth. For the most part they work decently, but vary in quality between school districts. In a private school the money that goes from your wallet to the teacher's salary runs through a lot less hoops and they know it and the school administration knows it, so you have leverage.

I find abstinence-only education more offensive.

*fists you*

<- great technique

 

[Budmantom]

I think that we have some sick individuals on this forum and I'm sure it's safe to say that they swallow.

 

[K1052]

Sorry to burst your bubble (okay, no I'm not), Catholic schools are hardly bastions of sexual abstinence. Your whole paragraph reeks of bullshit anyways, and you are doing your children little good with this. Educationally, they will benefit, but socially...

Graduate of a Catholic 6-12 private school.

Indeed, I attended a Catholic HS and there was most definitely no lack of sex/drugs/alcohol.

 

[Budmantom]

Indeed, I attended a Catholic HS and there was most definitely no lack of sex/drugs/alcohol.

You live in Chicago.

 

[K1052]

You live in Chicago.

I grew up in downstate IL and attended what is generally considered the best Catholic HS within about 100 miles.

 

[Carmen813]

You live in Chicago.

You have a motorcycle as your avatar.

 

[werepossum]

The liberal position, best expressed by Oprah, is that children are just smaller adults, but with less life experience. Therefore if you want to educate them about fisting (at any age) you are helping them out. It also explains why the very liberal librarian union adamantly opposes porn filtering for their computers. Similarly, if a man buggers a small boy he's just helping that boy to gain valuable life experience (unless he's a priest, then it's evil because religion is involved and religion is always evil, unless it's Islam.)

Actually my biggest complaint is that, like all liberal activities, we are expected to fund it. Whether it's painting the Madonna in elephant dung or soaking a crucifix in a jar of urine or teaching 14 year olds about fisting, it must be done with tax money. At a time when our students are graduating (or dropping out) knowing less than ever, surely this kind of "education" could be reserved for after school, off school grounds, for those kids who want to show up. Johnny probably doesn't need to know the ins and outs (so to speak) of proper fisting nearly as much as he needs to know basic math and science.

 

[CitizenKain]

Similarly, if a man buggers a small boy he's just helping that boy to gain valuable life experience (unless he's a priest, then it's evil because religion is involved and religion is always evil, unless it's Islam.)

Its amazing that people can get away with posting such shit on this forum. Pretty typical that its coming from a rightwing shithead like yourself though.

 

[feralkid]

"Fisting" doesn't mean "Anal".

Well thank you!

I was scratching my head wondering how some people became so focused on anal.

That certainly wouldn't be my first assumption, but of course my avatar doesn't include a person's bare thighs wrapped around a flying corn cob.

 

[CADblather]

Obviously you are now entering the raving phase, so I bid you and yours adieu, adieu, adieu!

Prove it...

 

[fskimospy]

A lot of text and audio without vid, I don't really have a clue what's going on. I know that health class can do just fine without a display of how to properly fist. It's not really a skill that enhances the discussion or meaningfully assists kids.

I'm a bit on the fence with my daughter's school. She is five and they are promoting drug-free life. Come on, she is five, she watches movies about cartoon mouse ballerinas, she isn't struggling with say no to the meth dealer in the play yard. She has seen people smoking before and I've gone into that with her.

I give a thumbsup to pjabber's post # 18. I think my daughter is in a great school but my wife and I are always going to keep doors open on alternatives (like private school) if things do not go as we like. Public schools are a bureaucratic behemoth. For the most part they work decently, but vary in quality between school districts. In a private school the money that goes from your wallet to the teacher's salary runs through a lot less hoops and they know it and the school administration knows it, so you have leverage.

<- great technique

A big warning on private schools, they are also far less regulated. My friend works at one of the most prestigious private elementary schools in the US, smack in the heart of La Jolla, one of the richest areas in the country if not the world.

She has her masters from Tufts and her undergrad from Duke, she is highly qualified and an excellent teacher. The teacher across the hall from her was a woman who applied to be the secretary and they decided they needed a new teacher more. She is completely incompetent. A woman like her would never be allowed to teach in the public schools, but in private ones they can get away with it and nearly always nobody is the wiser. Parents pay almost $20,000 a year to have their child taught by a secretary. (a fact the school keeps well hidden) Many private schools provide great education, but much as with public schools the quality varies widely.

As for the rest of this, basically people here are arguing for teachers to refuse to answer adolescents' questions about sex in sex-ed class. I think this is dumb for two reasons, first I think that America makes way too huge a deal out of sex, but more importantly those kids almost certainly have access to the internet and you all know that they can see everything they could dream of asking about and much worse with a few mouse clicks.

Are we censoring their education to make them feel better, or to make us feel better?

 

[OutHouse]

Poor little man, it must be very difficult for you to contemplate that there are people out there getting incredible sexual pleasure engaging in other than the missionary position with the lights off. And that teenagers ask questions about these other practices - and get honest answers - OH MY GOD!!!

how old are you? what is your education? are you gay?

 

[OutHouse]

In this very thread, he states homosexuality is an "extreme sex act" akin to rape, incest, and pedophilia. That destroys any credibility whatsoever.

where did he say that? you quoted him in saying i saying "extreme sex act" i searched every post and did not find it.

 

[crownjules]

where did he say that? you quoted him in saying i saying "extreme sex act" i searched every post and did not find it.

Fourth paragraph. Hard to miss homosexuality listed between pedophilia and rape.

You make an assumption that all kids are rushing to fuck and be fucked, aren't you? As a parent with teenagers, I know many that have taken the perspective that early sex, and attendant exposure to heartbreak, pregnancy and STDs will seriously screw up their lives. Some have continued that perspective even in college.

And I know others that run as fast as they can toward what these programs advocate, and point at the validation they have from MTV, etc.

So it is a cultural thing to a great extent, but one where government is injecting into the educational process a sanctioned approach that is an advocacy for promiscuity.

Abstinence is not what these programs are all about, that is for sure. They only mention it in passing. Reading the curricula and the recommended story books it is advocacy for sexual activity and validation of those who go that route, no matter how extreme, ie adult-child sex, homosexuality, rape, incest - nothing is off limits not only in practice but also with a striking lack of any recognition of consequence.

Of course, some STDs can be treated, pregnancies are easily aborted, fuckmates can be swapped around, but is this something you need government to advocate for kids starting in kindergarten, or in grade school or even in high school when the hormones are really taking off?

There is quite an incentive for self-discipline, but is the system designed to move past that impetus by making the erroneous assumption that everyone lacks it?

 

[jonks]

WTF is this? Good god man, get a life. All I heard(audio quality is extremely poor) were kids asking questions and the guy answering them.

Q: what's fisting:
A: none of your business! go look it up on the internet!

Another yawnfest from jabber who apparently went from the age of 10 to 30 and who thinks 14 year olds are all super chaste virgins who don't so much as kiss each other. When I was 12 I asked my sister what "head" was because I'd read it in a dirty joke book and didn't understand what it meant. She told me it was a blowjob, which didn't clarify matters b/c I didn't know what that was either. So she told me what that was, and I was like, "oh." Then I think I went and played some nintendo. Or raped a dog, I forget which now that my mind had been poisoned.

 

[Red Dawn]

how old are you? what is your education? are you gay?

No recruiting on these forums please!!!!

 

[brblx]

Q: what's fisting:
A: none of your business! go look it up on the internet!

Another yawnfest from jabber who apparently went from the age of 10 to 30 and who thinks 14 year olds are all super chaste virgins who don't so much as kiss each other. When I was 12 I asked my sister what "head" was because I'd read it in a dirty joke book and didn't understand what it meant. She told me it was a blowjob, which didn't clarify matters b/c I didn't know what that was either. So she told me what that was, and I was like, "oh." Then I think I went and played some nintendo. Or raped a dog, I forget which now that my mind had been poisoned.

/thread.