Obama's Safe Schools Czar Promoting Porn And Extreme Sex In The Classroom (NSFW)

[Carmen813]

Pjabber,
Have you ever stopped for a moment and read your own sig? You've been spouting hated of LGBTs so much lately that I'm beginning to think you have a reaction formation.

Time article about sex education in America.

And in the interest of actually finding information

The GSLEN booklink. Note the warning at bottom of the screen.

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Out of curiosity, have any of the people outraged over these books ever read a romance novel? If not, I suggest you do so soon.

 

[seemingly random]

I don't remember saying that mauling and killing people and showing disfigured and burnt corpses on national television is OK. Could you please point out where I made that claim? Oh, I didn't, well then don't put words in my mount and I won't consider you a chin dribbling moron.

The one difference between TV and a classroom? You aren't forced to sit in front of the TV if whatever is on offends you.

First, please point out where you have so vigorously protested the violence and gore on tv.

Also, please point out where you have expressed outrage over catholic priests molesting boys and have advocated the abolition of catholicism?

 

[fskimospy]

First, please point out where you have so vigorously protested the violence and gore on tv.

Also, please point out where you have expressed outrage over catholic priests molesting boys and have advocated the abolition of catholicism?

He never said there was anything wrong with molestation, just telling people that it exists. It makes people sad.

 

[PJABBER]

Wrongsky.

If you aren't upfront in a middle/high school setting with this stuff... and relaxed and able to giggle along with the kids when they are smartasses, you lose them in seconds.

All he was doing was putting the kid who asked a silly question in his place.

You'd have to be simply retarded to think otherwise. The guy was doing his job, and a good one at that. Keeping the damn kids attention when talking about safe sex, preventing pregnancy, and disease.

It has been proven that abstinence only education doesn't work. At all.

You make an assumption that all kids are rushing to fuck and be fucked, aren't you? As a parent with teenagers, I know many that have taken the perspective that early sex, and attendant exposure to heartbreak, pregnancy and STDs will seriously screw up their lives. Some have continued that perspective even in college.

And I know others that run as fast as they can toward what these programs advocate, and point at the validation they have from MTV, etc.

So it is a cultural thing to a great extent, but one where government is injecting into the educational process a sanctioned approach that is an advocacy for promiscuity.

Abstinence is not what these programs are all about, that is for sure. They only mention it in passing. Reading the curricula and the recommended story books it is advocacy for sexual activity and validation of those who go that route, no matter how extreme, ie adult-child sex, homosexuality, rape, incest - nothing is off limits not only in practice but also with a striking lack of any recognition of consequence.

Of course, some STDs can be treated, pregnancies are easily aborted, fuckmates can be swapped around, but is this something you need government to advocate for kids starting in kindergarten, or in grade school or even in high school when the hormones are really taking off?

There is quite an incentive for self-discipline, but is the system designed to move past that impetus by making the erroneous assumption that everyone lacks it?

 

[Corn]

You aren't forced to sit in the classroom either. At the beginning of this chat they tell you that if you are uncomfortable with the material you are allowed to leave. Kids are also given slips to give to their parents that they can sign in order to opt out of the sex-ed courses and seminars.

So really, it's a whole lot of hot air about nothing.

Thx for this thread.

It depends upon what the "material" is. Again, I don't suspect any reasonable parent expects the "proper fisting technique" to be part of the curricula. I'm sure most of the attending students wouldn't be aware of that either before they are forced to endure it. By the time the demonstration of how to fist correctly begins, the line has been crossed from sex education to hostility. These discussions do not belong in the classroom and more appropriately discussed privately if the interest is genuine.

I certainly don't plan on keeping my son out of his sex education classes, but I certainly don't expect the lesson plan to include discussions such as those brought up in the OP.

 

[Corn]

First, please point out where you have so vigorously protested the violence and gore on tv.

Also, please point out where you have expressed outrage over catholic priests molesting boys and have advocated the abolition of catholicism?

Hey, I must love arson, because I don't post outrage over that at every opportunity. Fucking idiotic logic.

 

[Carmen813]

You make an assumption that all kids are rushing to fuck and be fucked, aren't you? As a parent with teenagers, I know many that have taken the perspective that early sex, and attendant exposure to heartbreak, pregnancy and STDs will seriously screw up their lives. Some have continued that perspective even in college.

And I know others that run as fast as they can toward what these programs advocate, and point at the validation they have from MTV, etc.

So it is a cultural thing to a great extent, but one where government is injecting into the educational process a sanctioned approach that is an advocacy for promiscuity.

Abstinence is not what these programs are all about, that is for sure. They only mention it in passing. Reading the curricula and the recommended story books it is advocacy for sexual activity and validation of those who go that route, no matter how extreme, ie adult-child sex, homosexuality, rape, incest - nothing is off limits not only in practice but also with a striking lack of any recognition of consequence.

Of course, some STDs can be treated, pregnancies are easily aborted, fuckmates can be swapped around, but is this something you need government to advocate for kids starting in kindergarten, or in grade school or even in high school when the hormones are really taking off?

There is quite an incentive for self-discipline, but is the system designed to move past that impetus by making the erroneous assumption that everyone lacks it?

So, I take you've sat in on some of these classrooms yourself before coming here to state your opinion? Or was it that you read your favorite blog, got all pissed, and jumped to conclusions. As I said above, perhaps you should go read some of the romance novels teens love to read.

 

[PJABBER]

Pjabber,
Have you ever stopped for a moment and read your own sig? You've been spouting hated of LGBTs so much lately that I'm beginning to think you have a reaction formation.

Time article about sex education in America.

Actually, as I mentioned in previous threads, I have nothing against adults choosing adult partners whatsoever. At a certain, maybe arbitrary point, people need to take responsibility for their lives. I don't want to legislate against consenting adults keeping it between adults and I want government far far away from adult bedrooms.

My involvement in certain discussion topics, like gay marriage, is more often than not just that I like to have a good round of reasoned argument and with this group there are so many easy triggers.

Hatred is for fools. I haven't felt that emotion in a very long time so you got me all wrong there.

Mostly, as you and others make those false accusations, you make me laugh. You intend to distract from serious discussion, but show only personal weakness. Moreover, it really has become apparent that you and others don't recognize or accept that many people hold views completely different than yours and, more importantly, that those views may have extraordinary validity. You can't understand contrasting views whatever they may be, you fail at listening or you so detest the contrast that you lash out with malice and accusation much more reflective of your own intolerance.

The fact is there is a lot of hatred here. I don't know why each person has it, but maybe everyone who participates here uses this forum as a way to let off steam, while I am mostly just whiling away some time.

This topic, however, is one where I am definitely letting off steam while I consider a personal response that goes beyond simple discussion amongst strange strangers. That is why I up front advocate contacting those who have put this shitbird in public office and encouraging them in no uncertain terms to get him out of the system.

I have mentioned for as long as I have posted in this forum that I have a great concern for the welfare of families and particularly children. I have always felt that way, but having kids myself it is something that I consider daily. I am protective, do my best to be nurturing and have the scars to prove it.

Kids of 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and, yes, maybe 18 years old mostly don't know how to really handle someone gleefully demonstrating anal fisting while advocating for pedophilia and incest and a lot of other doubtful practices. That is, unless some helpful adult or peer have led them down that path. And that is what this guy and apparently a number of government sponsored programs are all about, like it or not. And they will continue with their agenda until more than a few people say this is not what we want to expose our kids to.

Obviously, many here disagree. They love this shitbird and his programs. Which is why I wonder what happened to their own lives.

 

[sandorski]

"Fisting" doesn't mean "Anal".

 

[seemingly random]

Hey, I must love arson, because I don't post outrage over that at every opportunity. Fucking idiotic logic.

Maybe idiotic logic is what's necessary to get idiots' attention.

You're pretty transparent. You only display your outrage for things that you think can be used against the democrats. Simpleton tactics, really.

 

[PJABBER]

Double, Double Your Pleasure Post

 

[PJABBER]

"Fisting" doesn't mean "Anal".

Does this really make some difference to you? Reference comes from the OP -

What you did not see is the man leading the discussion positioning his hand and showing 14 year olds how to insert their entire hand into the rectum of their sex partner.

 

[sandorski]

Does this really make some difference to you? Reference comes from the OP -

The OP is Fail, this whole Thread is Fail. Just thought I'd let you Outraged horde know the lowdown of the terms you're flailing about.

 

[PJABBER]

The OP is Fail, this whole Thread is Fail. Just thought I'd let you Outraged horde know the lowdown of the terms you're flailing about.

Obviously you are now entering the raving phase, so I bid you and yours adieu, adieu, adieu!

 

[sandorski]

Obviously you are now entering the raving phase, so I bid you and yours adieu, adieu, adieu!

Only if it were true.

 

[seemingly random]

Double, Double Your Pleasure Post

I wish you'd get control of yourselves.

 

[Corn]

Maybe idiotic logic is what's necessary to get idiots' attention.

You're pretty transparent. You only display your outrage for things that you think can be used against the democrats. Simpleton tactics, really.

Idiotic logic once again. If it were Bush who appointed the twisted moron to be the safe school czar, I would be critical of him too. Some things are wrong, regardless of politics. This hits home for me because I have a son who will start school next year. Hopefully, when you grow up and have children of your own you'll feel the same way. If not, well, I feel sorry for your offspring. Children need parents, not overgrown juvenile buddies.

 

[seemingly random]

... If it were Bush who appointed the twisted moron to be the safe school czar, I would be critical of him too.

Well, since bush can't legally be president again, we'll substitute republicans. Glad you feel that way. We'll have this post for future reference.

... This hits home for me because I have a son who will start school next year. ...

I was wondering if this is why you are extra sensitive. I feel for you and other young parents just starting with public schools. It's pretty scary and getting more scary every decade. Drugs, religion, lazy and beaten down teachers, aggressive parents, school board politics, etc. I wouldn't want to go through that again these days.

 

[bamacre]

"Fisting" doesn't mean "Anal".

Well, it doesn't have to, but...

:awe::awe:

 

[Corn]

Well, since bush can't legally be president again, we'll substitute republicans. Glad you feel that way. We'll have this post for future reference.


I was wondering if this is why you are extra sensitive. I feel for you and other young parents just starting with public schools. It's pretty scary and getting more scary every decade. Drugs, religion, lazy and beaten down teachers, aggressive parents, school board politics, etc. I wouldn't want to go through that again these days.

At 44, I ain't no spring chicken. :'(

 

[Mr. Lennon]

You are worried about "sexual aggressiveness," so you enroll your kids in a Catholic school...

Hate to break it to you Pjab, but those Catholic girls sure know how to chase the forbidden fruit. While going through my confirmation I used to hear the wildest stories.

Teenagers are going to have sex. You may think your daughter hasn't, but there is a chance she has or at least thought about it. If she hasn't I can guarantee she will once she breaks loose from your overprotective parenting in college.

I don't believe teenagers should be whoring themselves out, but you must realize that is not what sex education programs are trying to encourage. They are there to simply educate the masses on how to safely engage in sexual activity. A lot of these programs actually try to promote self respect among women and their bodies.

A teenage couple in love will eventually have sex. If that couple is exposed to only abstinence propaganda, they will be at a greater risk for pregnancy due to not being aware of proper contraceptive use.

I too was raised in a Catholic home. When I approached my teens, My dad told me, "There is nothing wrong with sex, just as long as it is with someone you love and you use a condom." That was the only "talk" I had with my dad and that advice served me well. Now if my parents were overbearing and kept me away from any sexual education, there is a good chance I would have ended up like my cousins who suffered that and ended up having children out of wedlock/young age.

 

[dahunan]

Anything that gets the conservatives and religious all riled up ROCKS

Hope they get so angry they leave and start their own personal hell somewhere *maybe Utah?

 

[ebaycj]

There is no reason for NAMBLA to exist. It's a group of men that want to fuck little boys. In any reasonable society they would be put down as you do any diseased animal.

The same could be said for the KKK. Unfortunately our first amendment gives both groups the right to peaceably exist and voice their opinions.

 

[ebaycj]

This thread has nothing to do with NAMBLA, it was an attempt to smear a group by association by a not-too-smart guy.

Also true.

 

[ebaycj]

The "honest answer" would go something along the lines of, "well, this class is not about demonstrating bizarre sexual techniques. These types of questions degrade the purpose of this class. If you are really interested in these questions, I would recommend you discuss them with your parents or other trustworthy confidants."

What exactly do you think school is for, anyway? Demonstrating the correct technique for fisting or proper etiquette when the happy moment ends in your mouth is not something I expect to be taught to children in school.

But that's the problem. That's not an answer. That's a non-answer.

Also why is it "bizarre" and why would asking about it "degrade" the purpose of a sex ed class? Both of these are your opinion.