Obama's record high rate of deportations draws concern

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like concern is starting to shift towards immigration reform, as Obama travels to El Paso to give a speech on the matter.

It was mentioned in an earlier thread that Obama has set a record for number of illegal immigrants deported, even as illegal immigration is declining. Looks like the trend has continued, +400K illegals deported each of the past two years of the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/us/politics/21immigration.html

Concern from Latinos:

Under the Obama administration, immigration authorities have carried out record numbers of deportations, with nearly 400,000 immigrants removed in each of the last two years. The deportations are drawing increasingly irate protests from Latino communities.

Concern from Republicans:

Republicans in Congress say the administration has not done enough to remove illegal immigrants

Funny that Republican lawmakers criticize the president despite Bush (even with a Republican congress) was not willing to go as far as Obama has to remove illegal immigrants.

Democrats and special interest groups are begging the president to become more lenient in regards illegal immigrants, but he has not budged:

With prospects for an immigration overhaul looking dim, President Obama is facing increasing pressure from Latinos, Democratic lawmakers and immigrant groups to use his executive powers to offer relief from deportation to broad groups of illegal immigrants.
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“We are asking the president if he could provide some sort of relief to innocent people who are the most impacted by the inequities of the immigration system.”
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Administration officials said Mr. Obama had rejected any move that would appear to circumvent Congress

This is another carefully executed move on part of Obama. He knows that a massive influx of illegal immigrants will cause significant issues (both social and economic), so he is resolving the problem by deporting illegal immigrants, while still maintaining strong Hispanic support for himself and the Democratic Party via legislation that he knows will go nowhere, but is still enough to save face with pro-immigration interest groups.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is another carefully executed move on part of Obama. He knows that a massive influx of illegal immigrants will cause significant issues (both social and economic), so he is resolving the problem by deporting illegal immigrants, while still maintaining strong Hispanic support for himself and the Democratic Party via legislation that he knows will go nowhere, but is still enough to save face with pro-immigration interest groups.

Well played. My take is that the deportations save face to disarm Republican criticism towards him while at the same time upping the pressure for legislation.

Pushing forward to ensure resolution.

 

[wuliheron]

Funny that Republican lawmakers criticize the president despite Bush (even with a Republican congress) was not willing to go as far as Obama has to remove illegal immigrants.

A kid occasionally whining and throwing a tantrum might be funny, but if republicans were my kids they'd all get a time out.

 

[Throckmorton]

Wow, 5% increase over 2008, BUT also most of them are now CRIMINALS. So why would these advocacy groups take issue? http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

Obama also increased border security http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

 

[jruchko]

Wow, 5% increase over 2008, BUT also most of them are now CRIMINALS. So why would these advocacy groups take issue? http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

Obama also increased border security http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

Emphasis mine.

I am honestly very interested in how someone manages to think that it is possible to be an ILLEGAL immigrant and NOT a criminal.

EDIT: Ignore this post, I now know the real (legal) definition.

 

[Vette73]

Republicans are probable more pissed as Obama is going after Business's that hire illegals.

Obama Administration Launches Investigation Into Companies That May Employ Illegal Immigrants

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...anies-employ-illegal-immigrants#ixzz1LfJKc6t9

The Obama administration launched investigations of hundreds of businesses around the U.S. Wednesday as part of its strategy to focus immigration enforcement on the employers who hire illegal workers.


Obama is doing what many have said a for a long time. Go after business's that hire illegals and illegals that commit crime first.

 

[fskimospy]

Emphasis mine.

I am honestly very interested in how someone manages to think that it is possible to be an ILLEGAL immigrant and NOT a criminal.

Because not all violations of US code are criminal violations.

 

[wuliheron]

Republicans are probable more pissed as Obama is going after Business's that hire illegals.

Obama is going for broke lately! I don't know what's in his Wheaties or what new yoga position his wife learned, but he's on a roll.

 

[waggy]

Wow, 5% increase over 2008, BUT also most of them are now CRIMINALS. So why would these advocacy groups take issue? http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

Obama also increased border security http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

woot go Obama. :thumbsup:

 

[jruchko]

Do people honestly believe that Democrats are not equally as pissed off about targeting business's? The only reason nothing truly significant has been done yet is because neither side truly wants to fix it. They all have friends who benefit from cheaper illegal labor.

Going after the employers is what they should have done from the start. The problem is only as bad as it is because the government ignored business's for so long. They will stop coming here is no one is willing to hire them.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Good job Obama. Let's keep it up and let's also secure the border, especially in light of recent events. I don't like the thought of truckloads of militant islamists flooding over the porous borders to seek "revenge."

 

[wuliheron]

Do people honestly believe that Democrats are not equally as pissed off about targeting business's? The only reason nothing truly significant has been done yet is because neither side truly wants to fix it. They all have friends who benefit from cheaper illegal labor.

Going after the employers is what they should have done from the start. The problem is only as bad as it is because the government ignored business's for so long. They will stop coming here is no one is willing to hire them.

It's no longer to democrats' advantage to let it slide. California is broker then broke and swamped with illegals they can't afford. Texas is a republican stronghold, and Florida is just plain insane and always has been. Time for the democrats to make the republicans look bad or risk loosing California.

 

[Balt]

Do people honestly believe that Democrats are not equally as pissed off about targeting business's? The only reason nothing truly significant has been done yet is because neither side truly wants to fix it. They all have friends who benefit from cheaper illegal labor.

Going after the employers is what they should have done from the start. The problem is only as bad as it is because the government ignored business's for so long. They will stop coming here is no one is willing to hire them.

It's not just politicians and their friends that benefit. Everyone wants to get their houses and other projects built more cheaply. The same people who rant about illegal immigrants will also often go with the lowest bidding contractor, despite it being pretty obvious that they use illegals for much of their labor.

In short, they are just shifting their expenses from themselves to everyone (through taxes). Of course, any person or business that DOESN'T do this is now at a big disadvantage against their competitors.

 

[jruchko]

It's not just politicians and their friends that benefit. Everyone wants to get their houses and other projects built more cheaply. The same people who rant about illegal immigrants will also often go with the lowest bidding contractor, despite it being pretty obvious that they use illegals for much of their labor.

In short, they are just shifting their expenses from themselves to everyone (through taxes). Of course, any person or business that DOESN'T do this is now at a big disadvantage against their competitors.

I agree, completely, I just get annoyed at the finger pointing on both sides when both parties are responsible. I think it is sad that people would rather argue over which party has a better plan, when in reality both options are terrible. It really doesn't matter if you think horse shit or cow shit is superior, it is still shit.

Does anyone know why the sudden focus on illegal immigrants? Did I miss something?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

It's not just politicians and their friends that benefit. Everyone wants to get their houses and other projects built more cheaply. The same people who rant about illegal immigrants will also often go with the lowest bidding contractor, despite it being pretty obvious that they use illegals for much of their labor.

In short, they are just shifting their expenses from themselves to everyone (through taxes). Of course, any person or business that DOESN'T do this is now at a big disadvantage against their competitors.

So you are in favor of deportation then? Gotcha. I agree deport legals and fine or jail those who are hiring illegals. The cost of allowing the status quo to continue is not worth the burden illegals have placed on states as they've surged into this nation in droves over the years. The problem should not of been allowed to have grown this bad to get people to act on the issue, especially in border states.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I agree, completely, I just get annoyed at the finger pointing on both sides when both parties are responsible. I think it is sad that people would rather argue over which party has a better plan, when in reality both options are terrible. It really doesn't matter if you think horse shit or cow shit is superior, it is still shit.

Does anyone know why the sudden focus on illegal immigrants? Did I miss something?

The big focus started when you had an estimate of 10 - 12+ million illegals pour into this nation and then they started putting strains and demands on US state and local services from police, prisons, hospitals, schools, etc.

 

[wuliheron]

Does anyone know why the sudden focus on illegal immigrants? Did I miss something?

Obama is the only focusing on the illegals and he's doing the presidential thing. Other then the possibility of being reelected his political career is over so he's free to do whatever he thinks is best in situations like this.

He extended unemployment benefits for as long as he could, but it just wasn't enough. Right now we still have 9% known unemployed and after all this time the number could be double that if we counted those who have stopped looking for work. Only recently has the job situation shown any sign of turning around and its likely to take well over a year or two get significantly better. That's a lot of people without jobs and without unemployment benefits.

In the democratic stronghold of California it is also a lot of illegal aliens eating up state resources and not paying taxes when the state is already bankrupt. For all we know legislators secretly asked him to do this and take all the flack.

 

[OCGuy]

His deportation rate concerns me because it is not enough.

 

[1prophet]

Republicans are probable more pissed as Obama is going after Business's that hire illegals.

Obama Administration Launches Investigation Into Companies That May Employ Illegal Immigrants

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...anies-employ-illegal-immigrants#ixzz1LfJKc6t9

The Obama administration launched investigations of hundreds of businesses around the U.S. Wednesday as part of its strategy to focus immigration enforcement on the employers who hire illegal workers.


Obama is doing what many have said a for a long time. Go after business's that hire illegals and illegals that commit crime first.

And then give them amnesty, business pays a fine and all is well again
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512098,00.html

 

[jruchko]

Well I found what I missed, states are refusing to help with efforts to deport illegal immigrants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/us/06immigration.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_18009806?nclick_check=1

The federal government is finally trying to do what it should have been doing all along, and retarded politicians get in the way. Even creationists have more sound logic in their beliefs then these politicians that are against deporting illegal immigrants. I think it is amazing that they can actually refuse to work with the federal government on this issue.

EDIT: Is the new link a valid news source? It is pretty sad that the source is more important then the actual content.

 

[wuliheron]

Well I found what I missed, states are refusing to help with efforts to deport illegal immigrants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/us/06immigration.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...op-detaining-arrested-immigrants-deportation/

The federal government is finally trying to do what it should have been doing all along, and retarded politicians get in the way. Even creationists have more sound logic in their beliefs then these politicians that are against deporting illegal immigrants. I think it is amazing that they can actually refuse to work with the federal government on this issue.

You use Fox news as a source? No wonder you're clueless.

 

[zinfamous]

lol. Obama's a better Republican than anyone in the GOP, right now. bombing the fuck out of Al Qaeda the week the US caps OBL,

deporting illegals at a record clip.

I wonder how Rush feels about all this?

awesome.

 

[zinfamous]

Well I found what I missed, states are refusing to help with efforts to deport illegal immigrants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/us/06immigration.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...op-detaining-arrested-immigrants-deportation/

The federal government is finally trying to do what it should have been doing all along, and retarded politicians get in the way. Even creationists have more sound logic in their beliefs then these politicians that are against deporting illegal immigrants. I think it is amazing that they can actually refuse to work with the federal government on this issue.

to be fair, in many states, deporting a major sector of their labor force is an economic disaster.

However, if the supposedly unemployed workers will then be willing to take up those low-wage jobs, then fine. Just don't expect better wages. Manufacturers will just move to Mexico or wherever, following the labor that they want to pay.

funny thing, with all the so-called improvements in labor conditions through unionization and worker's rights since the Industrial age, NOTHING has actually improved with labor. We just exported the problem overseas: Bangladesh, Mexico, China, India, et al. labor practices of the USA in 1904 or so exist today, at the very same level, in these countries. We pay essentially the same wages, allow the same conditions.

But no, the problem is fixed in the US. good for us. Export the problem, entrench the new bosses: Unions.

 

[jruchko]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/21/secure-communities-illegal-immigration-reform_n_852277.html

to be fair, in many states, deporting a major sector of their labor force is an economic disaster.

However, if the supposedly unemployed workers will then be willing to take up those low-wage jobs, then fine. Just don't expect better wages. Manufacturers will just move to Mexico or wherever, following the labor that they want to pay.

That isn't a valid reason to refuse deporting illegals. The whole economic system is fucked, we are going to have to deal with it eventually. Refusing to deport illegals doesn't help the situation.

 

[zinfamous]

That isn't a valid reason to refuse deporting illegals. The whole economic system is fucked, we are going to have to deal with it eventually. Refusing to deport illegals doesn't help the situation.

it is to a senator who is responsible, so some degree, for maintaining an employment base amongst his constituents.

your labor force disappears, many more people will lose their jobs. Few states in the US are in stable these days.