Obama's new "on the ground" policy on deporting illegal immigrants

[who?]

You deport rapists and murderers AFTER they've done their time for the convictions.

 

[shira]

how is this new ground? Obama hasn't been deporting anyone lately.

Really? You're sure? Really, really sure?

Critics may declare President Obama soft on immigration, but as this Reuters graphic shows, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data the Department of Homeland Security deported 414,481 people in fiscal year 2014, down from 438,421 the year before. Each year of the Obama administration has seen more deportations than any preceding president; the pre-Obama high of 358,886 removals in FY2008 came during President George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year in office.

But you're really, really sure that Obama isn't deporting anyone.

Crawl back to that sewer you came out of and stay there.

 

[JSt0rm]

Really? You're sure? Really, really sure?

You'll notice the deportations under Obama are far higher than for any other President in history.

But you're really, really sure that Obama isn't deporting anyone.

Crawl back to that sewer you came out of and stay there.

Nothing gets in his bubble.

 

[Jhhnn]

Really? You're sure? Really, really sure?

You'll notice the deportations under Obama are far higher than for any other President in history.

But you're really, really sure that Obama isn't deporting anyone.

Crawl back to that sewer you came out of and stay there.

Well, yeh, but turning them back at the border isn't really deportation according to Righties, so a lot of that doesn't count, ya know?

They see it the same way as Trump. He's just got a bigger mouth.

 

[boomerang]

These "discussions" are always the same. Round and round in circles. Next, we have to point out yet again, that the Obama administration counts turning someone around at the border after not letting them in as a deportation. It's just a change in the methodology through which the count is generated to artificially raise the numbers.

The useful idiots then use it as fodder in their misguided arguments. I'm glad you guys think you're smart because you're never going to get that kind of adoration from the rest of us. But by all means keep believing the lies.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.

I am totally amazed that this nation is capable of producing so many that are loathe to question what the government, when run by their team, proclaims to be the current truth. A truth that changes to meet whatever political need exists at the moment. You are nothing more than useful idiots.

Who is it that's living in the bubble?

 

[Jhhnn]

These "discussions" are always the same. Round and round in circles. Next, we have to point out yet again, that the Obama administration counts turning someone around at the border after not letting them in as a deportation. It's just a change in the methodology through which the count is generated to artificially raise the numbers.

The useful idiots then use it as fodder in their misguided arguments. I'm glad you guys think you're smart because you're never going to get that kind of adoration from the rest of us. But by all means keep believing the lies.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all



I am totally amazed that this nation is capable of producing so many that are loathe to question what the government, when run by their team, proclaims to be the current truth. A truth that changes to meet whatever political need exists at the moment. You are nothing more than useful idiots.

Who is it that's living in the bubble?

And there it is, as predicted. For Righties, the old way was apparently better- let illegals enter the country, get jobs, establish new lives, then hunt them down & deport them as opposed to not letting them enter in the first place. As if that's more efficient, effective or humane.

It's a bullshit argument from a lot of other angles, as well, given that border interdictions have always counted as deportations IIRC. If they haven't, put the two numbers together to figure it out.

Just think how many more illegals we'd have if the Obama Admin hadn't been doing a better job at the border.

 

[michal1980]

Hello michal1980, I see that you are constructing a strawman today.

Hello stalker

 

[michal1980]

Really? You're sure? Really, really sure?

But you're really, really sure that Obama isn't deporting anyone.

Crawl back to that sewer you came out of and stay there.

We have been over thus again and again. Obama's numbers are a lie. You cannot compare his numbers to previous administration's because he counts deportations differently

 

[Jhhnn]

We have been over thus again and again. Obama's numbers are a lie. You cannot compare his numbers to previous administration's because he counts deportations differently

So give us the real numbers in historical context. This is 2014-

http://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics

If the real numbers supported your contention, some right wing think tank would have revealed them. That never happened, of course.

 

[ivwshane]

So give us the real numbers in historical context. This is 2014-

http://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics

If the real numbers supported your contention, some right wing think tank would have revealed them. That never happened, of course.

Are you asking it to put up or shut up? It's never done either! Good luck with that

 

[michal1980]

So give us the real numbers in historical context. This is 2014-

http://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics

If the real numbers supported your contention, some right wing think tank would have revealed them. That never happened, of course.

Are you asking it to put up or shut up? It's never done either! Good luck with that

And once again.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html#page=1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

"That would mean that in a one-to-one comparison with the final years of the Bush administration, deportations of those same people under Mr. Obama had actually fallen, according to immigration analysts who have studied the data."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/15/voices-gomez-obama-deportation-record/7562779/

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/05/02/5-things-obamas-record-on-deportations/

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/19/politics/deportation-record/


and on and on and on and on and on

has been written about how Obama lies about the numbers.


But you on the left are too far up his ass to see it.

 

[rudder]

Not one single job has ever been STOLEN from an American by an illegal immigrant, once you understand this you will realize where the problem and solution lies.

Gosh and here I thought illegals were depressing wages in many industries across the country. I suppose all the American citizens around here simply felt that construction work was beneath them.

Stolen may not be the correct word for job displacement in industries like construction but illegals are a big part of the problem. Once you understand this you will realize where the problem and solutions lie.

 

[Jhhnn]

And once again.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html#page=1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

"That would mean that in a one-to-one comparison with the final years of the Bush administration, deportations of those same people under Mr. Obama had actually fallen, according to immigration analysts who have studied the data."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/15/voices-gomez-obama-deportation-record/7562779/

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/05/02/5-things-obamas-record-on-deportations/

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/19/politics/deportation-record/


and on and on and on and on and on

has been written about how Obama lies about the numbers.


But you on the left are too far up his ass to see it.

None of those articles support the contention of "lies" at all, something that your partisan bigotry won't let you see.

They simply point out that changes in enforcement tactics result in fewer illegal immigrants in this country than would have been achieved under previous methods. Using limited resources, it's enormously easier to turn them back at the border than to chase them down once dispersed all over the country.

It's also enormously easy, of course, for white Americans to want to invoke a "papers please" authoritarian regime for other people, realizing their skin color will spare them the harassment they prescribe for other citizens. You don't look like them so you won't be bothered, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

Gosh and here I thought illegals were depressing wages in many industries across the country. I suppose all the American citizens around here simply felt that construction work was beneath them.

Stolen may not be the correct word for job displacement in industries like construction but illegals are a big part of the problem. Once you understand this you will realize where the problem and solutions lie.

I'm sure the same thing was said about the Irish & every other immigrant group since that time.

You do realize, I hope, that the demise of Unions in those trades greatly facilitates the hiring of illegals by the much ballyhooed Job Creators.

Nah. Couldn't be.

 

[brycejones]

Hello stalker

There you go whining about someone calling out your bull shit approach scarecrow.

Stocked up on chalk lately?

 

[chucky2]

I'm sure the same thing was said about the Irish & every other immigrant group since that time.

You do realize, I hope, that the demise of Unions in those trades greatly facilitates the hiring of illegals by the much ballyhooed Job Creators.

Nah. Couldn't be.

You do realize that the US was going through a great expansionary period then that required grunts to sustain, something we absolutely do not need (or have needed for the past 20-30 years), right? So when you try and throw that out there as the xenophobic duhversion route, it automagically doesn't fly. Good try though!

 

[michal1980]

None of those articles support the contention of "lies" at all, something that your partisan bigotry won't let you see.



They simply point out that changes in enforcement tactics result in fewer illegal immigrants in this country than would have been achieved under previous methods. Using limited resources, it's enormously easier to turn them back at the border than to chase them down once dispersed all over the country.



It's also enormously easy, of course, for white Americans to want to invoke a "papers please" authoritarian regime for other people, realizing their skin color will spare them the harassment they prescribe for other citizens. You don't look like them so you won't be bothered, right?

Nearly all the articles show it's a lie to say Obama has increased deportations. Imho and in most thinking people's minds stopping someone at the border is not deporting them

 

[ivwshane]

Nearly all the articles show it's a lie to say Obama has increased deportations. Imho and in most thinking people's minds stopping someone at the border is not deporting them

Ask yourself this; which would you rather have, people stopped and turned around at the border or those same people caught inside the US and deported?

 

[piasabird]

This is just a photo op. It is a giant sack of shit. Bunch of lies. They may deport a few thousand people but like 2 million will still cross the border illegally. I heard people are now flocking here from Cuba.

 

[ivwshane]

This is just a photo op. It is a giant sack of shit. Bunch of lies. They may deport a few thousand people but like 2 million will still cross the border illegally. I heard people are now flocking here from Cuba.

That's what you heard? I bet you hear a lot of things.

 

[piasabird]

If we are opening relationship with Cuba, then we need to reestablish deportations for Cubans that show up without a pass port and visa. With normal relations comes a deportation agreement between two countries.

 

[piasabird]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...ver-75-countries-illegally-crossing-us-border

Report from 2014, compiled by US Customs.

• 1,443 people from China were apprehended while crossing the U.S. border so far this year, with an additional 1,803 people either turning themselves in to U.S. authorities at official ports of entry, or being caught attempting to illegally enter at the ports of entry.

An awful lot more individuals come here on Student Visas and never leave.

Those 13 people that fell off the balcony were Irish people on a work permit.

This does not count the hundreds of people per day showing up at the southern border riding on to of trains from countries from south of the southern Mexican Border. Mexico also announced they have stepped up apprehensions but they just still keep coming.

Maybe the real problem is the US should be helping countries in South American and other southern countries in North America to establish better economies and solve their problems internally. We should really start some real initiatives to help these counties out like helping them to establish their own industry and offering them favorable trading relations with the USA. It would be better than buying everything from China and India.

 

[nickqt]

You do realize that the US was going through a great expansionary period then that required grunts to sustain, something we absolutely do not need (or have needed for the past 20-30 years), right? So when you try and throw that out there as the xenophobic duhversion route, it automagically doesn't fly. Good try though!

Hey, look!

Another delusional conservative.

This is my first post in this thread. Just to point out your delusions.

 

[chucky2]

Hey, look!

Another delusional conservative.

This is my first post in this thread. Just to point out your delusions.

Haha sssuurreee...

 

[nickqt]

Haha sssuurreee...

It's funny, because about 4 or 5 of you delusional conservatives have claimed that I am an alt account of a few different extant posters here, and a few have claimed that I'm a previously banned account.

Of course, since it's delusional conservatives making these accusations, it's clear that it's all of them, all at the same time!

Because delusions and cognitive dissonance go hand-in-hand.

Keep on keepin' on!