Obamacare now open to illegals.

[MagickMan]

What makes you think they aren't doing that? The passage quoted states explicitly that they can use it for that function.

Until they state they actively do, it's assumed that they don't. In politics, and in most other areas, "can" means they aren't doing it yet.

 

[fskimospy]

Until they state they actively do, it's assumed that they don't. In politics, and in most other areas, "can" means they aren't doing it yet.

They are. They are required by law to verify eligibility.

I'm sure you are happy to hear that your concerns are unfounded, right?

 

[Vic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXU8w336oGs

 

[MagickMan]

They are. They are required by law to verify eligibility.

I'm sure you are happy to hear that your concerns are unfounded, right?

I'm not finding where that's actually said, or even being mentioned that it's practiced.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not finding where that's actually said, or even being mentioned that it's practiced.

Have you or anyone you know tried signing up?

This is all pubic knowledge.

https://www.healthcare.gov/how-we-use-your-data/#ssn

 

[MagickMan]

Have you or anyone you know tried signing up?

This is all pubic knowledge.

https://www.healthcare.gov/how-we-use-your-data/#ssn

A lot of loopholes in the wording, it doesn't claim that they cross-check for eligibility.

 

[fskimospy]

A lot of loopholes in the wording, it doesn't claim that they cross-check for eligibility.

By god it's an FAQ. You just won't take yes for an answer.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

By god it's an FAQ. You just won't take yes for an answer.

Quit while you're ahead. As this entire thread demonstrates some people would just rather be lied to. A valiant effort but you will never succeed.

 

[MagickMan]

Quit while you're ahead. As this entire thread demonstrates some people would just rather be lied to. A valiant effort but you will never succeed.

Derp-derp. Why don't you actually check it out too? :whiste: Seems like you're the one who "would just rather be lied to". Maybe you should rename yourself MomentsofClarity, because you sure could use one.

By god it's an FAQ. You just won't take yes for an answer.

IT. DOES. NOT. Got it?

People who apply for health coverage need to provide an SSN if they have one. An application filer must also provide the SSN of any tax filer who isn’t applying for health coverage if the tax filer’s tax information will be used to verify the household’s eligibility for help with paying for health coverage. Other people not applying for health coverage are encouraged to provide their SSNs to speed up the application process, but aren’t required to provide one. We use SSNs to check income and other information to see who’s eligible for help with health coverage costs. If someone wants help getting an SSN, they can visit socialsecurity.gov, or call 1-800-772-1213. TTY users should call 1-800-325-0778.

It's only for checking on whether or not they need financial assistance, to look up financial numbers, not for cross-checking that they're here illegally, or that they even care. Geez.

 

[fskimospy]

Derp-derp. Why don't you actually check it out too? :whiste: Seems like you're the one who "would just rather be lied to". Maybe you should rename yourself MomentsofClarity, because you sure could use one.



IT. DOES. NOT. Got it?



It's only for checking on whether or not they need financial assistance, to look up financial numbers, not for cross-checking that they're here illegally, or that they even care. Geez.

That was not your original argument, which was that social security numbers could be used to sign up multiple people under the same number. In fact, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore as it's all over the place.

Are you trying to use the health care website as some sort of alternate immigration enforcement? If so, that's insane and stupid, not to mention the fact that you don't hold any other program to the same standard. Are you still falsely claiming that social security numbers aren't being checked?

Please be very clear and very specific about what you think is or is not going on here. Considering the fact that you couldn't even find the FAQ for the health care website, I don't have much confidence that you're aware of what's going on here.

 

[fskimospy]

By the way, the most important part of this thread is that the OP was a baldfaced lie. The second most important part was how many gullible people immediately jumped on it because it told them something they wanted to believe.

The third most important thing is that anyone is stupid enough to still believe what they read on Breitbart.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Derp-derp. Why don't you actually check it out too? :whiste: Seems like you're the one who "would just rather be lied to". Maybe you should rename yourself MomentsofClarity, because you sure could use one.



IT. DOES. NOT. Got it?



It's only for checking on whether or not they need financial assistance, to look up financial numbers, not for cross-checking that they're here illegally, or that they even care. Geez.

What are you even arguing now? Are you trying to claim they aren't validating citizenship status for eligibility? That they don't care about immigration status? Because it's all in that link if you take 30 seconds to look. They spell out how they are electronically verifying citizenship status and what you need to provide if applying for coverage.

 

[MagickMan]

That was not your original argument, which was that social security numbers could be used to sign up multiple people under the same number. In fact, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore as it's all over the place.

Absurd, that's what I've been saying. SSNs aren't security against illegals using the system, and they aren't even using them for security. You said they "can't" enroll and I'm showing that it's easy for them to do just that, because they aren't requiring verification, as it says in the OP and their own site.

 

[fskimospy]

What are you even arguing now? Are you trying to claim they aren't validating citizenship status for eligibility? That they don't care about immigration status? Because it's all in that link if you take 30 seconds to look. They spell out how they are electronically verifying citizenship status and what you need to provide if applying for coverage.

I think he's trying to say that he wants them to use the website for immigration enforcement, which is not only dumb, but baffling in how that would possibly be enforced.

This thread has to be one of the dumbest I've seen on here in quite awhile.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Absurd, that's what I've been saying. SSNs aren't security against illegals using the system, and they aren't even using them for security. You said they "can't" enroll and I'm showing that it's easy for them to do just that, because they aren't requiring verification, as it says in the OP and their own site.

Bullshit.

https://www.healthcare.gov/help/citizenship-and-immigration-status-questions/

We can’t electronically verify your status using your U.S. passport, state-issued driver’s license or ID card, or birth certificate. However, if you don’t have a Naturalization Certificate or Certificate of Citizenship, you can still submit an application and get an eligibility determination. Then, you’ll be asked to provide a copy of your other citizenship documentation for the Marketplace for review.

If you need help completing this section, call the Marketplace Call Center at 1-800-318-2596. TTY users should call 1-855-889-4325.

To verify your naturalized citizen status, enter the alien number (also called the alien registration number or USCIS number). This number starts with an “A” and ends with 8 or 9 numbers. The alien number can be found at the top, right-hand corner of the “Certificate of Naturalization” (Form N-500). Also enter the “Certificate of Naturalization” number. The Naturalization Certificate number can be found at the top, right-hand corner of the “Certificate of Naturalization” (Form N-550).

To verify your citizenship status, enter the alien number (also called the alien registration number or USCIS number). This number starts with an “A” and ends with 8 or 9 numbers. The alien number can be found at the top, right-hand corner of the “Certificate of Citizenship” (Form N-560 or N-561). Also enter the “Certificate of Citizenship” (Form N-560 or N-561) number. Also enter the “Certificate of Citizenship” number. This number can be found at the top, right-hand corner of the “Certificate of Citizenship” (Form N-560 or N-561).

Hey look at that. They are spelling out how they require verification.

 

[fskimospy]

Absurd, that's what I've been saying. SSNs aren't security against illegals using the system, and they aren't even using them for security. You said they "can't" enroll and I'm showing that it's easy for them to do just that, because they aren't requiring verification, as it says in the OP and their own site.

What on earth are you talking about? Not requiring verification in what way and by whom? On what are you possibly basing this nonsense? It definitely isn't easy for them to enroll.

The site explicitly say the opposite of this. You're off in some fantasy land. The site uses SSNs to verify eligibility. If you've ever dealt with any agency that uses the SSN as a verification it isn't just that they see if you can string 9 digits together that happen to match one.

Seriously, I don't think you've thought this through or done even some basic research on how this works. This explains why people are so gullible as to believe the OP I guess though.

 

[MagickMan]

What are you even arguing now? Are you trying to claim they aren't validating citizenship status for eligibility? That they don't care about immigration status? Because it's all in that link if you take 30 seconds to look. They spell out how they are electronically verifying citizenship status and what you need to provide if applying for coverage.

Contradiction, because the site specified in the OP, the one in Spanish, says; "Fear not if you are undocumented and want to enroll your family in health insurance". Are you now getting what the thread is about?

 

[fskimospy]

Bullshit.

https://www.healthcare.gov/help/citizenship-and-immigration-status-questions/

Hey look at that. They are spelling out how they require verification.

lol. The social security verification expert couldn't be bothered to click a few more times on the website or even check the section that talks about it.

What a clown.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Contradiction, because the site specified in the OP, the one in Spanish, says; "Fear not if you are undocumented and want to enroll your family in health insurance". Are you now getting what the thread is about?

Jesus. Again,same link.

Mixed status families’ options for care and coverage

Many immigrant families are of “mixed status,” with members having different immigration and citizenship statuses. Some families may have taxpaying members who can’t buy health insurance through the Marketplace, alongside other family members who are eligible to use the Marketplace as citizens or lawfully present immigrants.

The same situation could apply in a family that has some members who are not eligible for full Medicaid, and others who are eligible for Medicaid or CHIP.

“Mixed status” families can apply for a tax credit or lower out-of-pocket costs for private insurance for their dependent family members who are eligible for coverage in the Marketplace or for Medicaid and CHIP coverage. Family members who aren't applying for health coverage for themselves won't be asked if they have eligible immigration status.

Anything else you want disproven?

 

[fskimospy]

Contradiction, because the site specified in the OP, the one in Spanish, says; "Fear not if you are undocumented and want to enroll your family in health insurance". Are you now getting what the thread is about?

Oh, are they now enrolling in special Spanish Obamacare where the federal government verifies requirements differently?

Seriously, stop digging. You were lied to by Breitbart again and you bought it. The important thing is to remember it next time you read something on there.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

lol. The social security verification expert couldn't be bothered to click a few more times on the website or even check the section that talks about it.

What a clown.

It's like talking to my 6 year old. And here I thought it was going to be a child free weekend.

 

[MagickMan]

Oh, are they now enrolling in special Spanish Obamacare where the federal government verifies requirements differently?

Seriously, stop digging. You were lied to by Breitbart again and you bought it. The important thing is to remember it next time you read something on there.

Lied to? It says it on the site itself, did you read it?

https://www.coveredca.com/Espanol/coverage-basics/ice.html

 

[MagickMan]

It's like talking to my 6 year old. And here I thought it was going to be a child free weekend.

You shitheads want to be willfully ignorant, that's your problem. Obama will do anything to get enrollment numbers up, but it won't be enough.

 

[Matt1970]

Oh, are they now enrolling in special Spanish Obamacare where the federal government verifies requirements differently?

Seriously, stop digging. You were lied to by Breitbart again and you bought it. The important thing is to remember it next time you read something on there.

Excellent advise. Ignore everything from a source that has been proven to lie to you.

 

[fskimospy]

You shitheads want to be willfully ignorant, that's your problem. Obama will do anything to get enrollment numbers up, but it won't be enough.

Dude, just stop. This is getting embarrassing.