Obamacare not responsible for premium increases, study says

[Matt1970]

The study found that rising medical costs are the biggest cause of higher insurance premiums

Didn't we already have threads about how Obamacare was actually reducing medical costs? Can't have it both ways.

 

[Zorkorist]

Anything goes when you are 18 Trillion Dollars in debt.

-John

 

[OverVolt]

Didn't we already have threads about how Obamacare was actually reducing medical costs? Can't have it both ways.

Well if they expanded medicare and cut medicare reimbursement then of course costs went down. You just won't be able to find a doctor, so access to care decreased. Many hospitals are closing starting with the smallest, rural ones that serve a needy population with no replacement. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/06/us/as-hospitals-close-rural-america-tries-to-cope-with-a-void.html

Its kind of fun to watch econ 101 bendover the democrats repeatedly.

If you artificially decrease costs it leads to a shortage on the supply and demand curve. Demotards are for some reason incapable of understanding that. Thats why it takes 6 months to get an MRI scan in Canada, or whatever it is these days.

Subsidies for corn? HFCS in freaking everything. So simple. So dumb.

I would imagine the USA has such bad return on investment in healthcare because we pioneer most of the care. Everyone else gets to copy us after we spent billions discovering new drugs or developing MRI technology into practical use, or whatever.

 

[sportage]

OK...OK...OK...
Lets do play devils advocate for a moment...

Say republicans repeal ACA as they are all hell bent on doing, what is their replace plan?
Selling insurance across state lines? Really! That's it?

Some "other" state is going to sell health insurance to some guy with a pre-exiting for less?
Does anyone really believe that bs?

Or that without ACA, that we will never see increases in healthcare costs or premiums ever again?
Does anyone actually remember healthcare, and I mean private employer based healthcare, before ACA?
Every year the employer changed insurance companies to save premium costs.
Despite that change, the premium costs still went up year after year, and coverage was constantly reduced, as well as increasing co-pays.

I find it very hard to believe that people have such short termed memories that they can not remember healthcare for profit cost trends BEFORE ACA.
Or that the employer had to shop around for cheaper group policies.
The cheaper meaning less coverage, but never lower costs.

We have a president here that at least tried to addressed and admitted that healthcare in America was out of control both coverage wise and affordability wise, and this president tried to fix this.
And considering all this president was up against, he was able to help and get many uninsured insured.
And costs for employer based healthcare have indeed stabilized greatly.

Elect a republican president, with a republican controlled senate and republican controlled house, and see how that goes for your best interest.
To our past and present elected republican officials, the old system was just fine.
And given the chance, they would return back that very same old system.
Let the policy cancellations begin.
.
.

 

[Zorkorist]

All he is doing is spending uncontrollably.

He hasn't fixed, or helped, anything.

-John

 

[OverVolt]

OK...OK...OK...
Lets do play devils advocate for a moment...

Say republicans repeal ACA as they are all hell bent on doing, what is their replace plan?
Selling insurance across state lines? Really! That's it?

Some "other" state is going to sell health insurance to some guy with a pre-exiting for less?
Does anyone really believe that bs?

Or that without ACA, that we will never see increases in healthcare costs or premiums ever again?
Does anyone actually remember healthcare, and I mean private employer based healthcare, before ACA?
Every year the employer changed insurance companies to save premium costs.
Despite that change, the premium costs still went up year after year, and coverage was constantly reduced, as well as increasing co-pays.

I find it very hard to believe that people have such short termed memories that they can not remember healthcare for profit cost trends BEFORE ACA.
Or that the employer had to shop around for cheaper group policies.
The cheaper meaning less coverage, but never lower costs.

We have a president here that at least tried to addressed and admitted that healthcare in America was out of control both coverage wise and affordability wise, and this president tried to fix this.
And considering all the president was up against, he was able to help and get many uninsured insured.
And costs for employer based healthcare have indeed stabilized greatly.

Elect a republican president, with a republican controlled senate and republican controlled house, and see how that goes for you best interest.
To our past and present elected republican officials, the old system was just fine.
And given the chance, we return back that very same system.
Let the policy cancellations begin.

Um life is tough no matter which way you try to nudge the equilibrium, is the answer.

The problem in healthcare is that the more we innovate, unlike in computers, costs actually go up. Its always been this way. Its a function thats been going strong for decades and will inevitably run up against a wall. We're probably close. Its the kind of thing where by the time we can say, regenerate an organ for transplant only the 1% would be able to jump the line/afford one.

 

[shortylickens]

Well if they expanded medicare and cut medicare reimbursement then of course costs went down. You just won't be able to find a doctor, so access to care decreased. Many hospitals are closing starting with the smallest, rural ones that serve a needy population with no replacement. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/06/us/as-hospitals-close-rural-america-tries-to-cope-with-a-void.html

Its kind of fun to watch econ 101 bendover the democrats repeatedly.

If you artificially decrease costs it leads to a shortage on the supply and demand curve. Demotards are for some reason incapable of understanding that. Thats why it takes 6 months to get an MRI scan in Canada, or whatever it is these days.

Subsidies for corn? HFCS in freaking everything. So simple. So dumb.

I would imagine the USA has such bad return on investment in healthcare because we pioneer most of the care. Everyone else gets to copy us after we spent billions discovering new drugs or developing MRI technology into practical use, or whatever.

I agree with the supply/demand/equilibrium part.

However my grandmother is Canadian and she gets an MRI in about a week. Always less than 2 weeks.
The Canadian system works fine but they have a tiny military and with all the various crap their government eventually gets 4 out of every 7 dollars.