Obama wishes to bypass congress on Iran deal

[K1052]

The people did not elect the president, but yet he wishes to bypass our elected officials?

Now you're just making shit up. Obama won the popular vote at 51% to Romney's 47%.

 

[Texashiker]

Now you're just making shit up. Obama won the popular vote at 51% to Romney's 47%.

obama was put into office by the electoral college.

Does not change the fact that obama is wishing to bypass congress and people such as yourself are excusing his behavior.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Does anyone know if this deal will substantially dismantle Iran’s nuclear weapons program?

 

[K1052]

obama was put into office by the electoral college

By that standard all but two presidents in US history were not elected by the people.

 

[Texashiker]

By that standard all but two presidents in US history were not elected by the people.

A president wishing to bypass congress should be of great concern.

This is not how a republic is supposed to work.

 

[K1052]

Does anyone know if this deal will substantially dismantle Iran’s nuclear weapons program?

Since the details haven't been revealed and are still most likely under negotiation it's too soon to tell. Odds are that Iran will still keep some amount of "civilian" nuclear technology but in quantities that the US can live with. It is basically impossible to roll a country back technologically from breakout status. Making it politically and economically unattractive to actually build weapons is more effective at this point.

 

[fskimospy]

obama was put into office by the electoral college.

Does not change the fact that obama is wishing to bypass congress and people such as yourself are excusing his behavior.

So now you're arguing that the winner of the popular vote for a presidential election was not put into office by the people.

The only way that would be true is if the vote were somehow unreasonably restricted so that the people couldn't vote. Ironically, this is precisely the sort of thing you're arguing for in other threads.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I see nothing you posted that justifies excusing obamas actions with negotiating with an emerging nuclear power.

Iran is under international sanctions, and obama wishes to undermine those sanctions?

you see nothing because your mind is opaque.

 

[brycejones]

A president wishing to bypass congress should be of great concern.

This is not how a republic is supposed to work.

Lovely how you just ignore his point about how stupid your electoral college comment was. How about you admit you were wrong like a man would?

 

[Texashiker]

Lovely how you just ignore his point about how stupid your electoral college comment was. How about you admit you were wrong like a man would?

No, I am not wrong. The president is not elected by the people.

If you excuse obamas actions because he won the popular vote, what about president bush and al gore? Was bush wrong when he bypassed congress? But obama is justified?

Is there going to be a double standard for when a president wins the popular vote? Does that president get more leeway?

All presidents should be held to the same standard, you do not bypass our elected officials.

 

[Jaskalas]

The people did not elect the president

obama was put into office by the electoral college.

That's just... wtf?

Taking "he's not my President" to a whole new level.

 

[Newell Steamer]

And, if he didn't bypass congress - he would be a weakling for not having the guts to actually do something.

 

[Texashiker]

That's just... wtf?

Taking "he's not my President" to a whole new level.

Am I wrong?

We have a president who was appointed by the electoral college making decisions for the nation and not consulting our elected officials.

Is this how a republic is supposed to work?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The latest line in Texashiker's bizarre descent into utter ridiculousness; the electors from each state cast their votes for the winner of the popular vote in their respective states, however, because they are a special class of elector and not "the people," the people don't vote for President, even though the electors are specifically voting for the winner of the popular vote. That's a level of stupid and crazy that is frankly alarming.

TH, I thought you were done complaining about things that were completely legal, since Conservatives know their duty is to follow the law and all that.

 

[ivwshane]

Am I wrong?

We have a president who was appointed by the electoral college making decisions for the nation and not consulting our elected officials.

Is this how a republic is supposed to work?

It's part of his job you fucking retard. The job description was even posted for you!

Btw, the point of the sanctions was to change Irans nuclear intentions, part of making that happen means we have to give Iran something, guess what that most likely will be?

Don't bother answering, not that you would since every question posed to you has been answered with, "I've already answered".

I can only hope your chickens are carrying some form of avian flu because there is no other excuse for your recent escalation in stupidity.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Am I wrong?

We have a president who was appointed by the electoral college making decisions for the nation and not consulting our elected officials.

Is this how a republic is supposed to work?

Yes, you are wrong. Yes, this is how a Republic is supposed to work.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Am I wrong?

We have a president who was appointed by the electoral college making decisions for the nation and not consulting our elected officials.

Is this how a republic is supposed to work?

YO! Dingus maximus...

Barack Obama won both the popular vote (read peoples vote)
65,915,796

To Mitt Romney's 60,933,500
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
AND the electoral college 332 vs 206

That is the people's voice, just because you don't like what they are saying doesn't make it untrue or inaccurate. You are a seriously stupid motherfucker. Hands down, one of the dumbest fuckholes to ever post here at p&n, and that's is saying a lot.

 

[K1052]

Is this how a republic is supposed to work?

Since the Constitution provides for electors...yea.

You appear very confused. Did you skip some medication recently?

 

[alzan]

Shane, see above.

Iran is past the point of no return. They will become a nuclear power and there is nothing we can do about it.

The issue here is a president who wishes to bypass congress. This is not the kind of president we were promised.

This is a republic, not a monarchy. The people did not elect the president, but yet he wishes to bypass our elected officials? There is something seriously wrong here.

No the issue here is either 1) a poster who hasn't gotten over the fact that a Democrat was elected as POTUS, or 2) a poster who's sole purpose is to create train-wreck threads so that he can assuage his flaccid and weak ego over the number of responses to his threads.

And the US has elements of a representative democracy and a constitutional republic.

 

[Texashiker]

TH, I thought you were done complaining about things that were completely legal, since Conservatives know their duty is to follow the law and all that.

Just because something is legal does not make it right.

That is the people's voice, just because you don't like what they are saying doesn't make it untrue or inaccurate. You are a seriously stupid motherfucker. Hands down, one of the dumbest fuckholes to ever post here at p&n, and that's is saying a lot.

Is there going to be a double standard for presidents?

Those who win the popular vote can bypass congress?

Those who lose the popular vote can not bypass congress?

You appear very confused. Did you skip some medication recently?

No, I took my meds last night.

 

[Brainonska511]

Just because something is legal does not make it right.

I believe you may want to take your words of wisdom to heart

This is the new way of doing things, deal with it.

 

[brycejones]

No, I am not wrong. The president is not elected by the people.

If you excuse obamas actions because he won the popular vote, what about president bush and al gore? Was bush wrong when he bypassed congress? But obama is justified?

Is there going to be a double standard for when a president wins the popular vote? Does that president get more leeway?

All presidents should be held to the same standard, you do not bypass our elected officials.

Instead of manning up you double down on stupid. You're such a pathetic troll.

 

[Texashiker]

Instead of manning up you double down on stupid. You're such a pathetic troll.

Answer the question, will presidents who win the popular vote be granted more leeway than those who do not win the popular vote?

What obama is doing poses an issue the republic needs to address.

No president should be allowed to negotiate with a nation that is under international sanctions without senate approval.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Answer the question, will presidents who win the popular vote be granted more leeway than those who do not win the popular vote?

Well considering literally no one except you is proposing that, why don't you tell us? Do you grant more leeway to Presidents based on what percentage of the popular vote they garnered? The rest of us don't care; he's the President, regardless of how close the election may have been. If you plan on coming back with what people said about Bush Jr., anyone who pulled a "not my President" with him because of the popular vote results was a moron as well.

 

[Texashiker]

Well considering literally no one except you is proposing that, why don't you tell us? Do you grant more leeway to Presidents based on what percentage of the popular vote they garnered?

The rest of us don't care; he's the President, regardless of how close the election may have been. If you plan on coming back with what people said about Bush Jr., anyone who pulled a "not my President" with him because of the popular vote results was a moron as well.

I never said "not my president".

What I am saying is someone who was not elected by the people is trying to bypass our elected officials.

obama is acting like a monarch. obama is trying to bypass the officials who are supposed to represent the people. Why do we even have a congress? Why is the senate even supposed to ratify treaties if the president can bypass the will of the people?

We might as well crown obama king and be done with it. Since yall do not mind obama bypassing congress, all hail your eternal leader.