Barring some unforeseen development (and it'd have to be a major one) I think Obama has both the Dem nomination and the Presidency wrapped up.
Move along now folks, it's all over but the crying.
Move along now folks, it's all over but the crying.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: loki8481
consider me on record as ***OFFICIALLY*** counting her out
even if she wins Ohio and Texas, she's not going to win by substantial margins, and the super delegates are not going to swing en mass to support the candidate faring the worst in head-to-head match-ups vs the republican nominee (even if such polls are more or less useless at this point)
That's pretty much my take, too.
She would now need to perform a clean sweep on March 4, and not only that, she would need large margins. 60/40 or better, in Ohio AND Texas, and even then she wouldn't be close enough.
And thats why if she wins Ohio and Texas, she will try to have Florida and Michigan count. Thus, giving her the nomination.
sportage
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Yes, maybe he will win.
And McCain will dissect him inch by inch.
And there we go, another 4 years of republican rule,
not to mention foreclosures galore, layoffs like you've never seen
since the 1030's, and no one able to get/afford any type of healthcare.
Your employer will no longer offer it, it would bankrupt them to do so.
And that war, 4 more years of that war.
At least "maybe" people will forget why they hated Hillary so much,
and she can run again in 2012.
And McCain will dissect him inch by inch.
And there we go, another 4 years of republican rule,
not to mention foreclosures galore, layoffs like you've never seen
since the 1030's, and no one able to get/afford any type of healthcare.
Your employer will no longer offer it, it would bankrupt them to do so.
And that war, 4 more years of that war.
At least "maybe" people will forget why they hated Hillary so much,
and she can run again in 2012.
Obama has been through the fires of a national campaign before, and yes, that's a weakness.
But have you pictured what the debates will look like when Obama faces off with McCain? Hillary is nowhere near the speaker Obama is, but she held her own because of her mastery of the issues. Obama is going to annihilate McCain in the debates. That is enough to offset any inexperience Obama has.
But have you pictured what the debates will look like when Obama faces off with McCain? Hillary is nowhere near the speaker Obama is, but she held her own because of her mastery of the issues. Obama is going to annihilate McCain in the debates. That is enough to offset any inexperience Obama has.
senseamp
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I am a Democrat, and I'd rather elect McCain to continue destroying the GOP than vote for that demagogue Obama. McCain is a nice liberal RINO, kind of like Arnold S. here in CA.
I don't see what Obama can deliver that McCain can't, plus there is added benefit that McCain fracture the GOP and Republicans will continue getting blamed for everything wrong with this country. So with McCain we get to have our cake and eat it too.
I don't see what Obama can deliver that McCain can't, plus there is added benefit that McCain fracture the GOP and Republicans will continue getting blamed for everything wrong with this country. So with McCain we get to have our cake and eat it too.
unless McCain comes across as honest and Obama's charm makes people think of him as a used car salesman.
The debates will be fun, indeed.
At least we won't be debating Days Of Our Lives circa 1998. And we're all better off for that.
At least we won't be debating Days Of Our Lives circa 1998. And we're all better off for that.
JohnOfSheffield
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Rio, that depends, are Americans smart enough to actually hear a debate about issues or just a bunch of sweet talk? If sweet talk and avoiding issues is the key to a presidency then yeah, Obama has an edge, if they need answers and CLEAR answers, then he hasn't got a shot in hell.
In a British election, he'd be toast a long time ago, he keeps making statements about what he would like but whenever asked on the reality instead of what he would like, he always backs down from his earlier position, which is wise in itself but the point is, he should have thought about that before he made the statement in the first place.
I can't wait until our next election.
In a British election, he'd be toast a long time ago, he keeps making statements about what he would like but whenever asked on the reality instead of what he would like, he always backs down from his earlier position, which is wise in itself but the point is, he should have thought about that before he made the statement in the first place.
I can't wait until our next election.
StageLeft
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Seriously. Sensamp this is not a fvcking football game. You want more of what the last 8 years has been just to spite the gop? Please don't vote.
Not sure the Brits are really qualified to opine on proper government these days, given where you guys are allowing the once great England to go. It rhymes with pitter but starts with an sh.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
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I'm sorry, son, but the Great Britain stands out in successfulness in comparison, what is the dollar now, 1/10'th of a £? Our businesses are doing great, we've taken over the financial headquarter of the world, used to be in the US, now it's in London, our expenses are lower than ever, our unemployment rate is getting lower by the day.
I'm not going to debate the greatness of the USA compared to GB, everyone who knows shit about me knows that i do admire the USA and especially the people in the forces knows that i am very supportive of the USA, the troops and it's people.
You got a shitty deal with an admin that fucked everything up, i have no doubt you can turn it around though, it wouldn't be the first time either and you can bet on one thing, GB will never cease to be an ally, whether you need us or not, unfortunantly Blair took that a tad bit too far, maybe if our stupid arse Prime Minister hadn't been part of the stupidity about the Iraq lies this wouldn't have happened, i think Blair is to blame as much as Bush in that case, but Blair is gone now.
Don Vito Corleone
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Boy, as it happens I just spent a week in England, and I couldn't disagree more. The country is really thriving, and on balance I'd say the average Briton is definitely doing better than the average American.
I don't think he was referring to the standard of living, Don. I'm thinking it was more along the lines of the 'surveillance society' and some of the trends there.
Don Vito Corleone
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He's going to have to be more specific, then. I don't think Americans have any standing to criticize the governance of any other western nation, if we're going to take the attitude that people in poorly-governed countries can't criticize other governments.
Supreme Court Justices. As many as 3 are expected to be appointed in the next 8 years, mostly replacing liberal-leaning justices.
McCain promised in the California debates to nominate more justices like Scalia. That killed any of his "moderate appeal" for me.
This next election isn't just about the next 4 years, it's about the balance of philosophies (or lack thereof) on our highest court for the next ~20.
I expect for this reason, conservatives/liberals with any long-term vision will "come home" in November, regardless of their short-term concerns about their candidates. If McCain manages to tear down Obama Republican style and win the presidency, especially after the abysmal performance of Bush, the resulting heavily conservative leaning Supreme Court will be a major coup for the conservative movement.
JohnOfSheffield
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Well, we're not doing it in secrecy and bypassing any laws because Brown didn't find a need to do so.
There are cams pretty much everywhere, like at ATM's, parking lots, you know, not as many as in the US but still, a lot of them.
The tapes are constant but never watched unless there is a crime committed, you know, like in the US.
What we DON'T have is "no knock warrants" or "warantless wiretaps".
We can't haul away citizens to an off shore camp to be tortured to death either or just held indefinently without charges, just can't do that shit in England, it's kind of against the law.
Unless you're a minority. Then you're just executed on the spot as the London police showed the world.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
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Well, i'll just ignore that, shooting a suspect not willing to stop on site isn't a thing a US citizen should ever complain about, we've had enough threads about US cops shooting grandmas and children as it is, have we not?
Answer the other thread and show me which Rwandans who are not being extradited to the Haag court.
Of course, now you're going to run, run, run.... right?
StageLeft
No Lifer
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Well obviously a lot of Brits would disagree with me, too, whereas a lot of the ones who see where its laws are going would agree with me. I was born there and thank my lucky blessings my parents got us out when they did. I don't see the country as thriving. I see it as crowded, ungodly expensive, and despondent, which is how a lot of the people see it as well.
If you've ever seen Pink Floyd's the wall, it's a bit like that sometimes over there. Not so much hyperbole in that as one would wish
You do have a multitude of new nanny laws and queen mom knows best, not to mention the ever empowering hold a person for 30 days without charge. And I'm not defending where the US is going with its laws. The Bush admin has turned back time for this country and some of the people cheer him for it.
Well, not exactly. Although the US has the embarrassement of Gitmo, it's still not legal for a citizen to be hauled away without charge--at least not on the books (God knows what really happens in some cases)--but it is on the books in the UK.
I suppose at the end of the day we could both argue all day long which country is introducing new and idiotic ways to monitor its population/steal freedoms. At least, we still can for now
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