Obama will use executive order to make it EASIER to deport illegal children

[MongGrel]

no link. heard it on news radio today.

I might have mis-heard it.

but if true, WTFaboutFace?!

why side step Congress about this w/an executive order?
I would have thought the GOP would fall over themselves to back this?!

No, he's a Lame Duck and the GOP will do anything they can to try to make him look bad at this point.

He's doing everything he can to bypass them now.

 

[MongGrel]

Threads like this make me understand how obama got elected twice... his sheeple believe anything. I will check back in 6 months to see exactly how many illegal children are actually deported. My guess is the number will be under 10.

The fact you even used the word sheeple is going to invalidate anything you ever post in my mind right off the bat to be honest.

 

[MongGrel]

Meanwhile, the GOP breaks the needle off the bullshit meter on a daily basis. You are in no position to call anyone a liar.

:biggrin:


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[michal1980]

No, he's a Lame Duck and the GOP will do anything they can to try to make him look bad at this point.

He's doing everything he can to bypass them now.

so you like having a president that just makes up law as he sits fit? aka a king?

Or is this only ok because he's a democrat?

 

[ivwshane]

so you like having a president that just makes up law as he sits fit? aka a king?

Or is this only ok because he's a democrat?

When you learn how our government works and the powers each branch has and their responsibilities, maybe then, just maybe, you won't post such stupid bullshit!


We can all dream a little dream, right?!

 

[shortylickens]

did hispanics stop supporting him in polls?
He cant get elected again? Whats it matter?

Oh, wait, I think I just answered my own question.

 

[Matt1970]

Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company, Says English-Language Requirement is 'Discrimination'

Existential Threat. To support the illegals, Federal Government is now fighting to enforce multilingual workplaces. Want employment in the United States? Better write and speak Spanish.

I was already informed by the lefties in here that wanting Americans to speak English was racist.

 

[werepossum]

Link that up.

It's true that a higher % of deportations are returns rather than removals, a streamlining of process that Righties have long advocated. Well, unless Obama is doing it- then it's different-

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/obama-administration-record-deportations

Deportation is deportation whether it's removal or return.

Obama is counting as deportations events that no other administration has counted as deportations. You may not be capable of understand that, but I don't know how to put it any more simply.

Obama also relies heavily on self-deportation letters. If the Border Patrol picks someone up, brings them to town, and later sends them a letter ordering them to go back home, that isn't a deportation. That is a ride to town.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company, Says English-Language Requirement is 'Discrimination'

Existential Threat. To support the illegals, Federal Government is now fighting to enforce multilingual workplaces. Want employment in the United States? Better write and speak Spanish.

Same story from a local news source:

http://archive.greenbaypressgazette...-against-Ashwaubenon-based-Wisconsin-Plastics

"EEOC, which filed suit against Wisconsin Plastics in federal court, said the company fired Hmong and Hispanic employees based on 10-minute observations of their English skills, even though the skills were not needed to perform their jobs. The commission said each of the fired individuals recevied satisfactory ratings on their annual performance evaluations."

"The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Green Bay and assigned to Judge William Griesbach. The EEOC seeks lost wages and compensatory and punitive damages."

And another local news source:

"The suit was filed by the EEOC's district office in Chicago against Wisconsin Plastics, a metal and plastic products manufacturer.
An administrative investigation showed that Wisconsin Plastics fired 22 Hispanic and Hmong employees based on 10-minute observations that marked them down for their English skills, even though language skills were not needed to perform their jobs, according to John Rowe, director of the EEOC's Chicago District office.

All of those fired had received satisfactory ratings on their annual performance evaluations while working for Wiscosnin Plastics Modern Plastics Division, a release from the EEOC said.

Such alleged conduct violates Civil Rights laws that protect employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group, he said."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/262614141.html

 

[DucatiMonster696]

This administration counts being processed and served a notice to appear in front of a immigration judge as a "Deportation". This is how they pad their stats on the issue. The reality however is far from what they claim and the padded stats they are pushing paint a very distorted picture which the video below highlights perfectly.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/showdown-border-marietta-texas-234415735.html

Processed, served papers and then given money catch a Grey Hound bus where these illegals just disappear and never show up to their court date and never self-deport as the Obama administration would like us to pretend they are doing.

 

[werepossum]

Same story from a local news source:

http://archive.greenbaypressgazette...-against-Ashwaubenon-based-Wisconsin-Plastics

"EEOC, which filed suit against Wisconsin Plastics in federal court, said the company fired Hmong and Hispanic employees based on 10-minute observations of their English skills, even though the skills were not needed to perform their jobs. The commission said each of the fired individuals recevied satisfactory ratings on their annual performance evaluations."

"The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Green Bay and assigned to Judge William Griesbach. The EEOC seeks lost wages and compensatory and punitive damages."

And another local news source:

"The suit was filed by the EEOC's district office in Chicago against Wisconsin Plastics, a metal and plastic products manufacturer.
An administrative investigation showed that Wisconsin Plastics fired 22 Hispanic and Hmong employees based on 10-minute observations that marked them down for their English skills, even though language skills were not needed to perform their jobs, according to John Rowe, director of the EEOC's Chicago District office.

All of those fired had received satisfactory ratings on their annual performance evaluations while working for Wiscosnin Plastics Modern Plastics Division, a release from the EEOC said.

Such alleged conduct violates Civil Rights laws that protect employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group, he said."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/262614141.html

I cannot believe there are manufacturing jobs where the ability to speak the language is "not needed to perform their jobs". I suspect this should add "as long as the company hires someone to tell them their job responsibilities in their own native language."

If we are now going to include the lack of ability to speak English as a protected civil right, then we're even more fucked than I thought.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I cannot believe there are manufacturing jobs where the ability to speak the language is "not needed to perform their jobs". I suspect this should add "as long as the company hires someone to tell them their job responsibilities in their own native language."

If we are now going to include the lack of ability to speak English as a protected civil right, then we're even more fucked than I thought.

The issue is not that they could not speak English at all. It's that for a period of time these employees were considered to be ok with the limited English that they had. This was documented with performance reports that showed them to be considered satisfactory employees.

Then, suddenly, based on a single 10 minute examination of some kind they were considered to be incapable of doing the jobs that they had been doing up to that point, to the company's apparent satisfaction, and were fired.

You don't see anything wrong with that picture?

 

[boomerang]

The issue is not that they could not speak English at all. It's that for a period of time these employees were considered to be ok with the limited English that they had. This was documented with performance reports that showed them to be considered satisfactory employees.

Then, suddenly, based on a single 10 minute examination of some kind they were considered to be incapable of doing the jobs that they had been doing up to that point, to the company's apparent satisfaction, and were fired.

You don't see anything wrong with that picture?

There are two sides to the story and not surprisingly, you have chosen the side of the underdog and decided that it is the truth.

From the VP of Operations at Wisconsin Plastics:

“The layoff decisions at issue in the fall of 2012 were made on the basis of the employees’ overall comparative skills, behaviors and job performance over time. There was nothing illegal or untoward about any of the decisions made by WPI. Though the decisions were difficult, they were necessary in order to ensure the ongoing stability of Wisconsin Plastics for the benefit of WPI’s customers, its shareholders, the community and the roughly 275 current Company and temporary employees.”

Until the matter is settled, we know nothing but what is reported and that there will ultimately be a winner and a loser. Except the attorney's. They will all be winners.

 

[soundforbjt]

I cannot believe there are manufacturing jobs where the ability to speak the language is "not needed to perform their jobs". I suspect this should add "as long as the company hires someone to tell them their job responsibilities in their own native language."

If we are now going to include the lack of ability to speak English as a protected civil right, then we're even more fucked than I thought.

I worked for John Deere in the 70's, we had Hispanic workers who could not speak English hardly at all, was never a problem with their ability to do the work.

 

[werepossum]

There are two sides to the story and not surprisingly, you have chosen the side of the underdog and decided that it is the truth.

From the VP of Operations at Wisconsin Plastics:Until the matter is settled, we know nothing but what is reported and that there will ultimately be a winner and a loser. Except the attorney's. They will all be winners.

Well said. The company may also have been faced with making cut-backs, in which case there was probably not a large pool of unsatisfactory employees to cut.

There may also have been an incident. If Mr. First Shift Jamie Washington tells Mr. Second Shift "Hey Tsim, watch out for the press, I think the interference sensor is not working" and Tsim nods and smiles but then loses a hand because what he heard was "Blah Tsim, blah blah blah blah press, blah blah blah blahblahblahblah blahblah blah blah blahblah", then the company may be in damage control mode, having just realized they have a serious problem.

In any case, providing special protection to people simply because they do not speak the common tongue is a special kind of stupid to which I'd like to believe my country has not yet fallen.

 

[werepossum]

I worked for John Deere in the 70's, we had Hispanic workers who could not speak English hardly at all, was never a problem with their ability to do the work.

How did you tell them what their work was, or tell them if and when there was a problem?

 

[nehalem256]

Well said. The company may also have been faced with making cut-backs, in which case there was probably not a large pool of unsatisfactory employees to cut.

There may also have been an incident. If Mr. First Shift Jamie Washington tells Mr. Second Shift "Hey Tsim, watch out for the press, I think the interference sensor is not working" and Tsim nods and smiles but then loses a hand because what he heard was "Blah Tsim, blah blah blah blah press, blah blah blah blahblahblahblah blahblah blah blah blahblah", then the company may be in damage control mode, having just realized they have a serious problem.

In any case, providing special protection to people simply because they do not speak the common tongue is a special kind of stupid to which I'd like to believe my country has not yet fallen.

One would have to imagine there was some reason for needing to fire them. I mean successful businesses are not exactly in the habit of firing large numbers of satisfactory employees for shits and giggles.

If I need to let go some employees and have to choose between 2 otherwise equal employees the one that can't speak English is going to get cut. Don't like it learn to speak the dominant language in the country you live in.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There are two sides to the story and not surprisingly, you have chosen the side of the underdog and decided that it is the truth.

From the VP of Operations at Wisconsin Plastics:Until the matter is settled, we know nothing but what is reported and that there will ultimately be a winner and a loser. Except the attorney's. They will all be winners.

Bottom line, their English was good enough until suddenly it wasn't. That's an actual fact. To me, that seems worth investigating by the agency that exists to investigate situations like this.

And I *love* the "not surprisingly" comment. You just have to fit everything into a neat little "us and them" scenario.

Care to explain why it's "not surprising" to you? Just what is it that I've ever expressed here to make you write that?

 

[Jhhnn]

Obama is counting as deportations events that no other administration has counted as deportations. You may not be capable of understand that, but I don't know how to put it any more simply.

Obama also relies heavily on self-deportation letters. If the Border Patrol picks someone up, brings them to town, and later sends them a letter ordering them to go back home, that isn't a deportation. That is a ride to town.

Link that up, OK?

 

[boomerang]

Care to explain why it's "not surprising" to you? Just what is it that I've ever expressed here to make you write that?

Your posting history. All of our posting histories tell a tale.

 

[Jhhnn]

This administration counts being processed and served a notice to appear in front of a immigration judge as a "Deportation". This is how they pad their stats on the issue. The reality however is far from what they claim and the padded stats they are pushing paint a very distorted picture which the video below highlights perfectly.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/showdown-border-marietta-texas-234415735.html

Processed, served papers and then given money catch a Grey Hound bus where these illegals just disappear and never show up to their court date and never self-deport as the Obama administration would like us to pretend they are doing.

Your link doesn't say that the Admin counts that as "deportation", at all. You merely claim that they do.

Nice try, anyway.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Your link doesn't say that the Admin counts that as "deportation", at all. You merely claim that they do.

Nice try, anyway.

I never said any such thing in regards to the link itself. I did say the link was an example of the REALITY of what this administration would consider a deportation.

I.e., these women were picked up by ICE, served papers to appear and left at a bus station to either self-deport or appear in front of a immigration judge of which they did neither.

 

[werepossum]

One would have to imagine there was some reason for needing to fire them. I mean successful businesses are not exactly in the habit of firing large numbers of satisfactory employees for shits and giggles.

If I need to let go some employees and have to choose between 2 otherwise equal employees the one that can't speak English is going to get cut. Don't like it learn to speak the dominant language in the country you live in.

Exactly.

Link that up, OK?

Negative. Both have been linked here before, and as always you'll either disparage the source or insist it does not mean what it clearly says. Not worth my time.

 

[Cozarkian]

Link that up.

It's true that a higher % of deportations are returns rather than removals, a streamlining of process that Righties have long advocated. Well, unless Obama is doing it- then it's different-

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/obama-administration-record-deportations

Deportation is deportation whether it's removal or return.

Did you read that article? Look at the clever word-play. In graphs (including the one posted above), the 1.8 million is defined as deportations, but it is actually only removals.

Look at the graph posted by HomerJS, notice the total of 419,000 in 2012? Now look at the first graph in your article. Notice the redline peaks just above 400,000? Now look at the graph called "Locked Out" in your article, notice the total for removals is a little bit below 500,000? There you have it, what is being called a "deportation" is actually just a removal, where total deportations should be removals + returns.

Now, look at the Locked Out graph again, notice returns are declining faster than removals are increasing? That shows us that total deportations are declining under Obama, but they claim there is an increase by focusing only on removals and calling that total deportations.

In case the above is confusing, here's an easier graph to understand, courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security:



As you can see, Obama is much worse at total deportations than Bush, who was worse than Clinton.

 

[werepossum]

Did you read that article? Look at the clever word-play. In graphs (including the one posted above), the 1.8 million is defined as deportations, but it is actually only removals.

Look at the graph posted by HomerJS, notice the total of 419,000 in 2012? Now look at the first graph in your article. Notice the redline peaks just above 400,000? Now look at the graph called "Locked Out" in your article, notice the total for removals is a little bit below 500,000? There you have it, what is being called a "deportation" is actually just a removal, where total deportations should be removals + returns.

Now, look at the Locked Out graph again, notice returns are declining faster than removals are increasing? That shows us that total deportations are declining under Obama, but they claim there is an increase by focusing only on removals and calling that total deportations.

In case the above is confusing, here's an easier graph to understand, courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security:



As you can see, Obama is much worse at total deportations than Bush, who was worse than Clinton.

It would be interesting to do a statistical analysis and predict in which term the future President will actually send soldiers to other nations and forcibly kidnap people to immigrate against their will. Strictly to avoid being an immigrant bashing racist, of course.