Obama watch

[alphatarget1]

Should, God forbid, he wins the presidency.

I think Obama and his so called "hope" campaign is bullsh!t, and people who buy into it are either disillusioned, elitist, or stupid (college students, far left liberals, to name a few). I personally think Obama will run the country into the ground with a democratic congress.

Let's list stuff that he promises either now or in the general election campaign against McCain!

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[CitizenKain]

Will you do the same if McCain wins?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Ok, I'll bite (I'm for obama)
he will get us out of iraq ~1 yr

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Will you do the same if McCain wins?

Someone else start it. McCain doesn't claim to be someone above politics. Since Obama raises the expectations so high, I'll be harder on him.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: gersson
Ok, I'll bite (I'm for obama)
he will get us out of iraq ~1 yr

What's your definition of "out"?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Will you do the same if McCain wins?

Someone else start it. McCain doesn't claim to be someone above politics. Since Obama raises the expectations so high, I'll be harder on him.

cant tell what McCain claims these days.

he goes back and forth so much.

flip

flop.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: gersson
Ok, I'll bite (I'm for obama)
he will get us out of iraq ~1 yr

no he wont. He's said that he'll leave up to 70-80K troops there "to fight terrorists." I don't see how anyone could honestly call that "out"

 

[thraashman]

Well from what I've seen so far, of the 3 big players left, Obama has gone back on what he's said the least and kept his stance on things the most.

McCain has said he'd talk to Hamas, then berated Obama for saying similar things. McCain has denounced religious leaders for their racist and sexist and hate-filled remarks only to later accept endorsements from and speak at the graduations of their universities. McCain has supported President Bush backwards and forwards, only to denounce torture, waterboarding, and our failure to sign the Kyoto Protocol (all things done by Bush). Really McCain has flip-flopped so much about so many things, that I don't even know what he stands for anymore.

Hillary. Well I felt she was what you might call a leaf in the wind. She seems to sway based on what she thinks people want her to believe instead of what she believes. Also her unwillingness to pull out of an obviously unwinable situation makes me think Iraq would be more of the same as it is under Bush.

Also since virtually every economist has set cutting the gas tax would increase oil company profits but do virtually nothing for the consumer, I tend to like the 1 of the 3 that is actually listening to them and saying that we shouldn't cut the gas tax for the summer.

So I gotta say that so far Obama is the only one that ISN'T full of bullshit.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: gersson
Ok, I'll bite (I'm for obama)
he will get us out of iraq ~1 yr

no he wont. He's said that he'll leave up to 70-80K troops there "to fight terrorists." I don't see how anyone could honestly call that "out"

Obama will say whatever people want to hear. He is for the removal of all combat troops within 18 months of taking office

Yet, many of his foreign policy advisers like Samantha Power, Susan Rice and Colin Kahl are on record saying he won't keep that campaign promise. Barry is a snake oil salesman.

 

[trenchfoot]

IF obama does get elected, then i'll come back to this post in 4 or 8 years and compare the results with the bush administration's record on breaking promises.

and besides, INTENT is what i would concentrate on, rather than results because results may be affected by a hostile congress or judiciary, etc. it's obvious what the intentions were of the bush administration as they had six years of unobstructed freedom to keep their campaign promises, and we can now see the many campaign promises that were broken by them and exposed as outright lies made only for the sake of getting themselves elected/re-elected.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Will you do the same if McCain wins?

Someone else start it. McCain doesn't claim to be someone above politics. Since Obama raises the expectations so high, I'll be harder on him.

So can I assume we're not allowed to bring up Bush's promises that we wouldn't "nation building?" What about the promises about "surpluses as far as the eye can see... "

Oh wait, you knew he was an idiot going in, so there was no need to be hard on him, you just voted for him... :roll:

 

[techs]

Here's how worthless this thread is.
It would judge Franklin Roosevelts promise not to send our sons to die in a war as breaking his "promise"
The real issue is which candidate intends to actually help the people he is claiming he will help. McCain says he will help the middle class. But we all know that's a lie.
Obama says he will help the middle class. It remains to be seen if he favors the lower class over the middle class.
So basically we KNOW McCain is lying. It remains to be seen how truthful Obama is.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Will you do the same if McCain wins?

Someone else start it. McCain doesn't claim to be someone above politics. Since Obama raises the expectations so high, I'll be harder on him.

So can I assume we're not allowed to bring up Bush's promises that we wouldn't "nation building?" What about the promises about "surpluses as far as the eye can see... "

Oh wait, you knew he was an idiot going in, so there was no need to be hard on him, you just voted for him... :roll:

I'm willing to bet alphatarget1 voted for the Dub a second time too, after he already tossed away his moderate promises after his first term.

 

[OokiiNeko]

I think Farrakhan said it very well.

Obama is a good man, but one good man cannot stand against those who really own this country.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
IF obama does get elected, then i'll come back to this post in 4 or 8 years and compare the results with the bush administration's record on breaking promises.

and besides, INTENT is what i would concentrate on, rather than results because results may be affected by a hostile congress or judiciary, etc. it's obvious what the intentions were of the bush administration as they had six years of unobstructed freedom to keep their campaign promises, and we can now see the many campaign promises that were broken by them and exposed as outright lies made only for the sake of getting themselves elected/re-elected.

Yep because with liberals it's not about actual results - it's "intent".

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Should, God forbid, he wins the presidency.

I think Obama and his so called "hope" campaign is bullsh!t, and people who buy into it are either disillusioned, elitist, or stupid (college students, far left liberals, to name a few). I personally think Obama will run the country into the ground with a democratic congress.

Let's list stuff that he promises either now or in the general election campaign against McCain!

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My only reaction is, the OP on this thread has got to have unmitigated gall. After all the the campaign promises, and all the stupidity of GWB&co, we might be forewarned to worry about Obama, McCain , and Hillary, but to single out only Obama is raw stupidity following GWB&co injury and insult in the extreme.

Lets keep things in perspective and ignore side issue total speculation.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: tweaker2
IF obama does get elected, then i'll come back to this post in 4 or 8 years and compare the results with the bush administration's record on breaking promises.

and besides, INTENT is what i would concentrate on, rather than results because results may be affected by a hostile congress or judiciary, etc. it's obvious what the intentions were of the bush administration as they had six years of unobstructed freedom to keep their campaign promises, and we can now see the many campaign promises that were broken by them and exposed as outright lies made only for the sake of getting themselves elected/re-elected.

Yep because with liberals it's not about actual results - it's "intent".

Hurp a durp! The argument put out in the OP is that Obama is putting out a BS campaign based on hope and is making promises that he will later break, ie. he is being dishonest. So, his intent absolutely matters.

Of course you already knew that.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: tweaker2
IF obama does get elected, then i'll come back to this post in 4 or 8 years and compare the results with the bush administration's record on breaking promises.

and besides, INTENT is what i would concentrate on, rather than results because results may be affected by a hostile congress or judiciary, etc. it's obvious what the intentions were of the bush administration as they had six years of unobstructed freedom to keep their campaign promises, and we can now see the many campaign promises that were broken by them and exposed as outright lies made only for the sake of getting themselves elected/re-elected.

Yep because with liberals it's not about actual results - it's "intent".

Hurp a durp! The argument put out in the OP is that Obama is putting out a BS campaign based on hope and is making promises that he will later break, ie. he is being dishonest. So, his intent absolutely matters.

Of course you already knew that.

I didn't say intent doesn't matter but intent isn't squat without results which libs seem to forget.