Obama wants your semi auto rifle, but...

[moonbogg]

He has no problem killing your family with a $1.5 million cruise missile if they happen to live in Syria and are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just saying.

 

[Charlie98]

He wants my semi auto rifle so he can give it to the Mexican drug cartel...

 

[lxskllr]

 

[Kadarin]

He most certainly doesn't support civilian uprisings here in the US.

 

[Craig234]

The civilians with rifles in Libya didn't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Syria don't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Egypt didn't have a chance without the military's support.

Every one of those is a case that civilians with rifles do nothing but get a lot of civilians killed, if on their own, without military support.

In the case of the US it's far, far, far worse for civilians up against by far the most powerful forces in the world.

The guns pretty much do nothing for security, only causing the innocent to be killed.

 

[Darwin333]

The civilians with rifles in Libya didn't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Syria don't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Egypt didn't have a chance without the military's support.

Every one of those is a case that civilians with rifles do nothing but get a lot of civilians killed, if on their own, without military support.

In the case of the US it's far, far, far worse for civilians up against by far the most powerful forces in the world.

The guns pretty much do nothing for security, only causing the innocent to be killed.

I am not exactly sure if you are arguing that the US Government is to powerful or that the civilians are to weak....

 

[boomerang]

I am not exactly sure if you are arguing that the US Government is to powerful or that the civilians are to weak....

He's not sure either. His knee jerk reaction is to support whomever he deems to be the underdog. In this case if we act as Al-Qaeda's air force it's still all good.

Seriously though, I find it extremely interesting to see so much opinion on the Syria situation fall along party lines. What's really interesting is that the right doesn't want it and the left does. The bigger question is to what degree is that opinion influenced by the party that controls the White House?

 

[nehalem256]

The civilians with rifles in Libya didn't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Syria don't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Egypt didn't have a chance without the military's support.

Every one of those is a case that civilians with rifles do nothing but get a lot of civilians killed, if on their own, without military support.

In the case of the US it's far, far, far worse for civilians up against by far the most powerful forces in the world.

The guns pretty much do nothing for security, only causing the innocent to be killed.

I find funny that liberals still don't understand the capability of an insurgency after protesting against the Iraq War for years.

If it took the US military years to subdue an insurgency in Iraq how much longer would it take to subdue one in the US where the population is 10x greater.

 

[Incorruptible]

obama once again shows his stupidity and hypocrisy. The US has no business going into Syria which will make the situation much worse. Why does this moron want to help the al-qaida backed rebels? If they topple Assad then they will have sharia law and women will lose their rights.

I'm still waiting for his supporters to call him out.

 

[moonbogg]

obama once again shows his stupidity and hypocrisy. The US has no business going into Syria which will make the situation much worse. Why does this moron want to help the al-qaida backed rebels? If they topple Assad then they will have sharia law and women will lose their rights.

I'm still waiting for his supporters to call him out.

If they topple Assad there may be millions slaughtered who don't belong to the same sect of the same denomination of the same religion.

 

[Incorruptible]

If they topple Assad there may be millions slaughtered who don't belong to the same sect of the same denomination of the same religion.

It's a horrible situation and obama is responsible but getting involved would make the situation worse than it already is. Stay out is the smart thing so obviously obama won't do that.

 

[shortylickens]

He wants my semi auto rifle so he can give it to the Mexican drug cartel...

mexicans are better than us. they deserve the vote more than we do.

 

[Zargon]

but assad is friends with Russia and china so he has to go


who cares about the American lives that will end when we send soldiers...because...the children!!!


pro-tip

if this admin says 'safety' 'children' or 'executive order' they are trying to do something they know doesn't jive with the constitution or some other law.


Obama said as a candidate that he would never support the president going to war without the support of congress

where is that now????

 

[1prophet]

I find funny that liberals still don't understand the capability of an insurgency after protesting against the Iraq War for years.

If it took the US military years to subdue an insurgency in Iraq how much longer would it take to subdue one in the US where the population is 10x greater.

It didn't subdue shit, it made backroom deals like they are doing now in Afghanistan, Iraq has Sharia law, women are officially second class citizens, and don't even think of being openly gay.

Iraqi Laws and Procedures
Iraqi Social Status Law (civil) establishes marriage laws in Iraq. Foreigners marrying in Iraq are subject to the provisions of the Social Status Law. Interfaith marriages are permitted except in the case of a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_774.html

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Iraqi Laws and Procedures
The Iraqi Social Status (civil) Law follows the Islamic Sharia (Islamic legislation). Under Islamic law, an Iraqi Muslim female may not marry a non Muslim male. However an Iraqi Muslim male may marry a Muslim, Christian, or Jewish female.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Marriage of a Muslim to a Non-Muslim
Muslim women in Iraq are legally prohibited from marrying a non-Muslim. Therefore, the non-Muslim male must convert his religion to Islam and file a petition with the Social Status Court to declare that he is Muslim. Muslim men in Iraq are permitted to marry non-Muslim women if they are Christian or Jewish only. If the woman belongs to any other religion, she must convert to Islam.[/FONT]

http://www.alternet.org/story/146051/iraqi_women%27s_lives_were_better_under_saddam

Under Saddam Hussein, women in government got a year's maternity leave; that is now cut to six months. Under the Personal Status Law in force since July 14, 1958, when Iraqis overthrew the British-installed monarchy, Iraqi women had most of the rights that Western women do.


Now they have Article 2 of the Constitution: "Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation." Subhead A says "No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam." Under this Article the interpretation of women's rights is left to religious leaders -- and many of them are under Iranian influence.


"The U.S. occupation has decided to let go of women's rights," Yanar Mohammed who campaigns for women's rights in Iraq says. "Political Islamic groups have taken southern Iraq, are fully in power there, and are using the financial support of Iran to recruit troops and allies. The financial and political support from Iran is why the Iraqis in the south accept this, not because the Iraqi people want Islamic law."



With the new law has come the new lawlessness. Nora Hamaid, 30, a graduate from Baghdad University, has now given up the career she dreamt of. "I completed my studies before the invaders arrived because there was good security and I could freely go to university," Hamaid tells IPS. Now she says she cannot even move around freely, and worries for her children every day. "I mean every day, from when they depart to when they return from school, for fear of abductions."



There is 25 percent representation for women in parliament, but Sabria says "these women from party lists stand up to defend their party in the parliament, not for women's rights." For women in Iraq, the invasion is not over.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands dead and the fools here call this bringing democracy and their puppets lap it up.
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[irishScott]

The civilians with rifles in Libya didn't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Syria don't have a chance without outside military support.

The civilians with rifles in Egypt didn't have a chance without the military's support.

Every one of those is a case that civilians with rifles do nothing but get a lot of civilians killed, if on their own, without military support.

In the case of the US it's far, far, far worse for civilians up against by far the most powerful forces in the world.

The guns pretty much do nothing for security, only causing the innocent to be killed.

I love how you equate the US Military to the militaries of brutal dictatorships.

And your last line is just so cute. Short-bus cute.

 

[waggy]

Seriously though, I find it extremely interesting to see so much opinion on the Syria situation fall along party lines.

whaa?

along party lines? nearly everyone is against action. very few blowhards are for it.

this seems to be one of the few things i have seen that right left,dem or GOP does not matter. most are against it.

 

[readymix]

screw it, we should flatten assad. 41 should have backed kurds and Shiites against saadam, instead we watched as a 1/4 million died. assad, if he survives will do the same.

 

[nehalem256]

It didn't subdue shit, it made backroom deals like they are doing now in Afghanistan, Iraq has Sharia law, women are officially second class citizens, and don't even think of being openly gay.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_774.html



http://www.alternet.org/story/146051/iraqi_women%27s_lives_were_better_under_saddam

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands dead and the fools here call this bringing democracy and their puppets lap it up.
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I think that makes my point even more. Libs like to say that it is impossible for an insurgency to take on the US military, despite the ample evidence to the contrary, evidence that they can't help but be aware of given their protests against the Iraq War.

Imagine how much harder it would be if that insurgency was in a country with 10x the population?

 

[chucky2]

Even harder when the military is going to be completely ineffective because the military deserts in huge numbers, many to join the insurgency. So much for the wacko Lib theory that being armed wouldn't be effective...

 

[irishScott]

I think that makes my point even more. Libs like to say that it is impossible for an insurgency to take on the US military, despite the ample evidence to the contrary, evidence that they can't help but be aware of given their protests against the Iraq War.

Imagine how much harder it would be if that insurgency was in a country with 10x the population?

Not to mention direct access to vital military supply lines. All of the advanced equipment in the world isn't worth shit when you run out of gas.

 

[OGOC]

Every one of those is a case that civilians with rifles do nothing but get a lot of civilians killed, if on their own, without military support.

In the case of the US it's far, far, far worse for civilians up against by far the most powerful forces in the world.

The guns pretty much do nothing for security, only causing the innocent to be killed.

That's why U.S. citizens should be able to have "arms" on a more level playing field like they're supposed to have. But the same people who say things such as the above tend to also be the ones who want to outlaw semi-automatic AR-15s and .22-caliber guns that hold more than 10 rounds.

Should Americans have better access to full-auto machine guns and things so they are more capable of dealing with a tyrannical government?

 

[Sulaco]

I love how you equate the US Military to the militaries of brutal dictatorships.

And your last line is just so cute. Short-bus cute.

Ideology is the enemy!

 

[SaurusX]

pro-tip

if this admin says 'safety' 'children' or 'executive order' they are trying to do something they know doesn't jive with the constitution or some other law.

You forgot "common sense" also.

 

[Zargon]

I did! nice catch saurus

I'll add it to the list

 

[JTsyo]

That's why U.S. citizens should be able to have "arms" on a more level playing field like they're supposed to have. But the same people who say things such as the above tend to also be the ones who want to outlaw semi-automatic AR-15s and .22-caliber guns that hold more than 10 rounds.

Should Americans have better access to full-auto machine guns and things so they are more capable of dealing with a tyrannical government?

The American public can't muster the will to go vote, they certainly aren't going to participate in armed rebellion.