Obama to the nation: Onward civilian soldiers

[BoberFett]

I had arrived in time to listen to the last portion of his speech. The ending also struck me, the call for unity like the armed services. Reminded me of the USSR and their great military parades. Dissent is not welcomed is it?

Dissent was patriotic. At least while Bush was in office. Obama's inauguration changed that.

This unity is a mask for tyranny. They may cherish it, though I do not. The federal government is not meant to be efficient, not meant to be a centralized power acting as a single state. We are but a Union of States, a United States. Folks everywhere would do well to remember who we are.

It appears Americans have no interest in self-determination. They want their lives to be run. They also want to bitch about the manner in which they're run, but that's a separate issue.

Would Obama and his voters really cherish those moments of unity? The Patriot Acts and the Wars? Tell us P&N, who wants some Freedom Fries?

Those are completely different. Those are Republican goosestepping, no Democrat would ever do wrong.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What is your point?

My first point is that the door swings both ways.

My second point is that you're too blind to see it.

 

[Siddhartha]

My first point is that the door swings both ways.

My second point is that you're too blind to see it.

I have been paying attention to the US politics going back to FDR and I have not seen the level of attacks on anyone as Mr Obama has gotten.

As I listed in my first post, he has been accused of being every political evil known. I have read that he is a Nazi.

I was not saying that everyone involved in politics besides Mr Obama is treated gently. You implied that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I have been paying attention to the US politics going back to FDR and I have not seen the level of attacks on anyone as Mr Obama has gotten.

As I listed in my first post, he has been accused of being every political evil known. I have read that he is a Nazi.

I was not saying that everyone involved in politics besides Mr Obama is treated gently. You implied that.

Whatever you say.

 

[Fern]

I have been paying attention to the US politics going back to FDR and I have not seen the level of attacks on anyone as Mr Obama has gotten.
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Were you in a coma during GWB's presidency?

Fern

 

[monovillage]

I have been paying attention to the US politics going back to FDR and I have not seen the level of attacks on anyone as Mr Obama has gotten.

As I listed in my first post, he has been accused of being every political evil known. I have read that he is a Nazi.

I was not saying that everyone involved in politics besides Mr Obama is treated gently. You implied that.

You have got to be kidding me. Were you paying attention to "Tricky Dick" ? "Would you buy a used war from this man?" Ahhh the good ole Nixon days.

How about how Reagan created the homeless problem and caused AIDS? You forget that one?

Bush, do you really want to get into the Democrat/leftist attacks on Bush?

Dude, take off your Democrat blinders, every President including Obama catches a load of crap.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Of the two I'd go with Romney over Obama not because I think a lot of him or his party but because of SCOTUS appointments.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets be a little more pragmatic here and less bogged down in personalities and political parties.

Face the facts here, since our glory days post ww2, made the USA into the strongest and most prosperous nation on earth, THE USA HAS BECOME WHAT AMOUNTS TO A STATUS QUO POWER. And therefore the USA uses its military power and diplomacy to preserve our top dog status while the world changes around it.

So the real question is it working yet???????????????????????????????????????????

And I submit to this forum that its backfiring on the USA big time as we evaluate the results.

Smart nations exploit change to their advantage, dumb nations try to fight inevitable change and lose every time.

The USA is certainly not the first nation to be stuck on stupid, nor will we be the last.

When I was a kid and went to my doctor, a medical verdict of sound as a dollar meant something very positive, now if your doctor says your health is sound as dollar, its time to be planning for your funeral.

 

[cybrsage]

What are you, 60 years old or something?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have been paying attention to the US politics going back to FDR and I have not seen the level of attacks on anyone as Mr Obama has gotten.

As I listed in my first post, he has been accused of being every political evil known. I have read that he is a Nazi.

I was not saying that everyone involved in politics besides Mr Obama is treated gently. You implied that.

GWB was pretty bad, but I think that the Obama attacks are worse since a lot of it is racial in nature. I think that to many people racist attacks tend to just seem worse.

I'm amazed that some people called him a Nazi. I wasn't aware of many Kenyan Nazis.

 

[monovillage]

This was an excellent article that points out the thirst for power that every authoritarian political figure desires. They all feel that this particular crisis, that this particular emergency is important enough for them to take the reins of power and do what they want to get the results they desire. The Constitution is an impediment, the separation of powers is a hindrance, any dissent is disloyalty. It's an attitude that all Americans should be watchful for and all Americans should oppose.

Too many people allowed the Patriot act to pass, too many people support the erosion of our Rights and too many people support a federal government that has grown far larger, more powerful and more encompassing than the Constitution ever intended. I think we need to limit the scope of the federal government in the same manner as it became so extensive and that's step by step over time.

Do I think it's going to happen? Nope, the best we can hope for is to slow it down and force it to take more consideration of consequences before it happens.

 

[senseamp]

If republicans consider being out of town with nothing on the agenda as being on the clock, we the people who work for a living need tp throw these bums out.

 

[monovillage]

If republicans consider being out of town with nothing on the agenda as being on the clock, we the people who work for a living need tp throw these bums out.

Wasn't it the Democrat Senators in Wisconsin that scurried and slithered out of the State?

 

[senseamp]

Of the two I'd go with Romney over Obama not because I think a lot of him or his party but because of SCOTUS appointments.

Yeah, we need more corporatists on SCOTUS. Citizens united didn't go far enough, let's just legalize bribery. Money talks, and we wouldn't want to stop free speech.

 

[senseamp]

Wasn't it the Democrat Senators in Wisconsin that scurried and slithered out of the State?

And the senate was not in session due to lack of quorum. But republicans think their job is to stay home and do nothing, so come november, we the people need to make it their permanent vocation.

 

[monovillage]

Yeah, we need more corporatists on SCOTUS. Citizens united didn't go far enough, let's just legalize bribery. Money talks, and we wouldn't want to stop free speech.

The lefty/liberals didn't say a word of protest when the Supreme Court declared that burning an American flag was free speech. They only think the Constitution is a living, breathing document when it lives and breathes in the direction they want it to go.

 

[senseamp]

The lefty/liberals didn't say a word of protest when the Supreme Court declared that burning an American flag was free speech. They only think the Constitution is a living, breathing document when it lives and breathes in the direction they want it to go.

Burning the flag is free speech.

 

[monovillage]

Burning the flag is free speech.

So is the funding of advertisements.

 

[zsdersw]

Dancing....dancing the night away!!!!

You need another M825A1, your smokescreen is getting a bit thin. Your attempt to hide your partisanship is starting to fail.

Again, you're a leader with no followers; just a guy taking a walk.

 

[Ausm]

Sorta like demonizing Bush and every Republican candidate running for POTUS this Novemeber?

Read my Sig....

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Read my Sig....

So you actually think I'm making excuses for Bush? Wow.

"Show me your thumb if you're really dumb." - FZ

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, we need more corporatists on SCOTUS. Citizens united didn't go far enough, let's just legalize bribery. Money talks, and we wouldn't want to stop free speech.

Congress can construct a better law and I'd like to see that. What I don't want are people who would twist the intended meaning of the Constitution for their ideological goals, who see it as an obstacle to be subverted to allow an ever expansive government play a more controlling and irrevokable role in citizen affairs. "The ends justify the means" argument doesn't work for me.

 

[gingermeggs]

add wishy-washy and apologetic to the bolded and that's my opinion.

add bend him over and stick a big goldman sachs cock right up his half black arse!

 

[jstern01]

Its time we all start to realize that the Constitution, while a great document of ideas, was after all written over 200+ years ago. This means they had no ideas of the technological, societal, economical and political changes that would and a did occur. None of the founding fathers could of foreseen socialism, communism or fascism. Nor could the imaged the US as a world power, or more specifically an economic power.

Maybe a better wait to fix this issue is a Constitutional Convention to look are rewriting the Constitution for a modern world, instead of referring to a document that never envisioned this type of world.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Its time we all start to realize that the Constitution, while a great document of ideas, was after all written over 200+ years ago. This means they had no ideas of the technological, societal, economical and political changes that would and a did occur. None of the founding fathers could of foreseen socialism, communism or fascism. Nor could the imaged the US as a world power, or more specifically an economic power.

Maybe a better wait to fix this issue is a Constitutional Convention to look are rewriting the Constitution for a modern world, instead of referring to a document that never envisioned this type of world.

Perhaps, but the principles involved still stand. The concept that the people are servants not masters is a very bad one. Still I'd like to see some changes made which would provide better checks on the abuse of power. Something to reign in political parties, the influence of money on elections, greater accountability during the terms of office. There is room for improvement.