Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[dmcowen674]

11-9-2014

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-defends-plan-act-immigration-cbs-interview-153311753.html

Obama defends plan to act on immigration

U.S. President Barack Obama defended his plan to use executive powers to implement some immigration reforms, saying in an interview broadcast on Sunday he had waited long enough for Congress to act.

"Everybody agrees the immigration system's broken. And we've been talking about it for years now in terms of fixing it," Obama said in the interview, according to a CBS transcript.


U.S. borders needed to be secure, the legal immigration system needed to be more efficient and there needed to be a path to legal status for the 11 million undocumented immigrants.


"We don't have the capacity to deport 11 million people -- everybody agrees on that," he said.

 

[IGBT]

he will because the DNC needs the votes. No other reason.

 

[dmcowen674]

Republicans had 6 years to do something and they did nothing so good to see Obama force their hand.

 

[sportage]

The senate passed a good bill, a great bill, with teeth, that both repubs and demos voted.
Google what the bill says. What the bill does.

The bill ""stops"" employers from hiring illegals.
The employer will no longer get away with hiring, paying under the table, getting cheap labor, and thus paying less than the federal minimum wage i.e. less than $7.25 an hour.

Plus, employers that hire illegals can and often do treat their illegal workers any way they want. Just like slave labor.
Why?
I mean... Who's gonna tell? Who's gonna gripe? Who's gonna give the bossman away?
That illegal employee?
haha hehe hoho chuckle chuckle snort snort ckuckle

What draws illegals here in the first place are the jobs. The money $$$
And until this bill came along, that FACT had never been addressed.
This bill passed by the senate finally addressed the hiring of illegals.
You do not need a big-ass fence if once across that illegal can no longer find work.
It's not called rocket science. It's called common old fashion horse sense.

And you know the sad part of all this?
The employers that do hire illegals for a cheap buck, to avoid the law, and more so to attract
illegals into this country in the first place, ARE ALL PROBABLY REPUBLICANS !!!!
Most likely....

This immigration bill, passed by the senate, would greatly hinder and stop the hiring of illegals, fine any business that tried to hire illegals, and I believe (I'd have to read the bill again) I believe create a system where any hire-ee would have to be verified as an legal American citizen.

Sooooooo.... Naturally republicans in the house are going to oppose this bill.
And place all the blame on Obama.

One day, America WILL wake up.
I only hope we all live to see that day....

PS. And thanks America for once again being true to your cause by voting STUPID!
And I still ask the question, will America survive STUPID ???
.
.

 

[trenchfoot]

I absolutely can't wait for McConnell and Boehner to come out clean and tell the nation why the immigration reforms that the Senate passed and the House totally refused to act on is such a bad idea.

You know, with FACTS and not any of that Tea Party appeasing lies and innuendo they've been barfing up since the Senate passed their version of it.

This should be good. Instead of arguing the merits of the Senate passed bill the only thing I've been hearing the Repubs coming up with is threats, diversive rhetoric and things like "poisoning the well" as a prelude to a war that will make Obama the cause for divisiveness when Boehner and his lack of leadership to get things going in the House was/is the WHOLE REASON why Obama is taking action on his own.

Frick'in asshole can't get his shit done in the House so Boehner is going to use Obama as the reason for why the immigration reform legislation is going nowhere.

Go figure.

 

[Newell Steamer]

There is no other way, to go about this all,... http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tnawa2/key-and-peele-obama-s-meeting-with-republicans

 

[Matt1970]

U.S. borders needed to be secure, the legal immigration system needed to be more efficient and there needed to be a path to legal status for the 11 million undocumented immigrants.


"We don't have the capacity to deport 11 million people -- everybody agrees on that," he said.

Oh we have the capacity, just not the desire. When you grant amnesty, you tell imigrants there are two ways to citizenship here in the us:

1. Come here and go through all the paperwork, fees, headaches, appointments, years of waiting, etc, etc.....

2. Or you can just cross a river and climb over or under a fence.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The senate passed a good bill, a great bill, with teeth, that both repubs and demos voted.
Google what the bill says. What the bill does.

The bill ""stops"" employers from hiring illegals.
The employer will no longer get away with hiring, paying under the table, getting cheap labor, and thus paying less than the federal minimum wage i.e. less than $7.25 an hour.

Plus, employers that hire illegals can and often do treat their illegal workers any way they want. Just like slave labor.
Why?
I mean... Who's gonna tell? Who's gonna gripe? Who's gonna give the bossman away?
That illegal employee?
haha hehe hoho chuckle chuckle snort snort ckuckle

What draws illegals here in the first place are the jobs. The money $$$
And until this bill came along, that FACT had never been addressed.
This bill passed by the senate finally addressed the hiring of illegals.
You do not need a big-ass fence if once across that illegal can no longer find work.
It's not called rocket science. It's called common old fashion horse sense.

And you know the sad part of all this?
The employers that do hire illegals for a cheap buck, to avoid the law, and more so to attract
illegals into this country in the first place, ARE ALL PROBABLY REPUBLICANS !!!!
Most likely....

This immigration bill, passed by the senate, would greatly hinder and stop the hiring of illegals, fine any business that tried to hire illegals, and I believe (I'd have to read the bill again) I believe create a system where any hire-ee would have to be verified as an legal American citizen.

Sooooooo.... Naturally republicans in the house are going to oppose this bill.
And place all the blame on Obama.

One day, America WILL wake up.
I only hope we all live to see that day....

PS. And thanks America for once again being true to your cause by voting STUPID!
And I still ask the question, will America survive STUPID ???
.
.

Arizona was on of the first states to have its own law that directly went after employers who hired illegals and used the feds own E-Verify program which made it mandatory for all employers to check the immigration status of prospective employees within that state.This administration fought Arizona tooth and nail over that law in the courts.

Pretending that Obama's administration and the Dem's want to "GET TOUGH ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" is a huge joke given the facts of how Dem's either ignore the enforcement of the law (Sanctuary cities in Dem run metro areas) or they directly water down the law itself (fluffed up deportation numbers where illegals are dumped at bus stations to self-deport and undermining of spirit and nature of the law especially when states make it part of their own laws). What this administration and the Dems want is to set the groundwork for amnesty and then have those they just granted amnesty to vote Democrat.

 

[michal1980]

liberal circle jerk started.

This asshole of a president also said he couldn't do anything alone on immigration.

What he lying then or now?


Republicans want cheap labor.
Democrats want voters.

Please tell me how giving amnesty to millions of low wage workers is good for Americans?
Please tell me how granting more visas to foreigners is good for Americans?


I love the shit coming out of his mouth about wanting to work with republicans. HA. How is ruling like a king working with republicans? Its more like 'My way or the highway"
That's right its not.

Obama and his lib buddies will cry about the min wage being so low, but they'll allow millions of new illegals to flood the low end job market.


Then again this terrorist of a president cares more about illegals then Americans. Americans don't want this. Illegals do. Who does Obama side with? Illegals.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Immigration laws are not broken, the government lacks the will to enforce the law. Spouses of American citizens have to wait 18 months to 2 years to secure a immigration visa/green card. The borders need to be secured and illegals crossing the borders should be turned back immediately.

 

[dmcowen674]

liberal circle jerk started.

This asshole of a president also said he couldn't do anything alone on immigration.

What he lying then or now?


Republicans want cheap labor.
Democrats want voters.

Please tell me how giving amnesty to millions of low wage workers is good for Americans?
Please tell me how granting more visas to foreigners is good for Americans?


I love the shit coming out of his mouth about wanting to work with republicans. HA. How is ruling like a king working with republicans? Its more like 'My way or the highway"
That's right its not.

Obama and his lib buddies will cry about the min wage being so low, but they'll allow millions of new illegals to flood the low end job market.


Then again this terrorist of a president cares more about illegals then Americans. Americans don't want this. Illegals do. Who does Obama side with? Illegals.

This is you and your Republitards bed, lay in it and suck it up cupcakes :biggrin:

 

[trenchfoot]

Oh yeah, and I like how when Reagan and then Bush did the 'ol amnesty thingy back in their tenures it was just fine and dandy with the Repubs back then huh?

And somehow, the nation miraculously "survived" and prospered from the actions of these two totally idiotic un-patriotic un-American anti-conservative former Republican presidents during their terms in office. And miracles of miracles, the size of gov't actually swelled and the deficits swelled even more than that while these two traitors held office.

So I guess Obama is going to join the 'ol immigration amnesty club that Repubs Reagan and Bush started and all of a sudden it's such a bad idea and the nation will suffer irreparable harm from it?

As Chris Matthews so succinctly puts it: "HAH!"

 

[MovingTarget]

Good. At least something will get done, even if it amounts to little in the end. Congress keeps passing the buck and ignoring the problem because a minority of them (not necessarily saying Republicans here - for once) don't like the solution. So, they ignore the problem or pretend that it doesn't exist.

No, you can't deport 11 million people without humanitarian side effects that we don't have the stomach for. It would also be a logistical nightmare that causes more problems than it solves. Closing your eyes and saying "Secure the boarder!" does not make these people go away. Nor can you effectively reform the path to citizenship for those 11 million without addressing the flood of illegal immigrants from crossing over for the same opportunities. Look at what happened during and after Ronnie Ray-gun's tenure as POTUS. This is why the House should have considered the Senate bill when they had the chance. So here we are, with Congress debating the issue yet again, which they have been doing the entire time I've been on this earth. :/

 

[sportage]

PS. And thanks America for once again being true to your cause by voting STUPID!
And I still ask the question, will America survive STUPID ???

I was wrong. I shouldn't have blamed republicans or Americans in general for voting STUPID. I do apologize.
The real blame goes to my frickin lazy-ass democrats that can't seem to get their fat ass off the potato couch to go vote. When less than 1/3 voted on November 4th, most of the blame lies with those that did not vote. Not with those that did.

OH GOD... Why did you make me a.... democrat???

 

[Matt1970]

Oh yeah, and I like how when Reagan and then Bush did the 'ol amnesty thingy back in their tenures it was just fine and dandy with the Repubs back then huh?

And somehow, the nation miraculously "survived" and prospered from the actions of these two totally idiotic un-patriotic un-American anti-conservative former Republican presidents during their terms in office. And miracles of miracles, the size of gov't actually swelled and the deficits swelled even more than that while these two traitors held office.

So I guess Obama is going to join the 'ol immigration amnesty club that Repubs Reagan and Bush started and all of a sudden it's such a bad idea and the nation will suffer irreparable harm from it?

As Chris Matthews so succinctly puts it: "HAH!"

I would think you would want to stay away from a prime example of us "We already tried this before"

 

[trenchfoot]

Good. At least something will get done, even if it amounts to little in the end. Congress keeps passing the buck and ignoring the problem because a minority of them (not necessarily saying Republicans here - for once) don't like the solution. So, they ignore the problem or pretend that it doesn't exist.

No, you can't deport 11 million people without humanitarian side effects that we don't have the stomach for. It would also be a logistical nightmare that causes more problems than it solves. Closing your eyes and saying "Secure the boarder!" does not make these people go away. Nor can you effectively reform the path to citizenship for those 11 million without addressing the flood of illegal immigrants from crossing over for the same opportunities. Look at what happened during and after Ronnie Ray-gun's tenure as POTUS. This is why the House should have considered the Senate bill when they had the chance. So here we are, with Congress debating the issue yet again, which they have been doing the entire time I've been on this earth. :/

This, from the damned if you do and damned if you don't president. Obama said he would take action after the elections due to the total lack of action from Boehner's House majority. And now that the "do-nothing" president has to take action because of the lack of action from that "do nothing" Boehner and his "do nothing" House majority, it's going to be all out war against Obama for doing something Boehner himself couldn't get done.

So much iron in that irony, don'cha think?

 

[sportage]

Arizona was on of the first states to have its own law that directly went after employers who hired illegals and used the feds own E-Verify program which made it mandatory for all employers to check the immigration status of prospective employees within that state.This administration fought Arizona tooth and nail over that law in the courts.

Pretending that Obama's administration and the Dem's want to "GET TOUGH ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" is a huge joke given the facts of how Dem's either ignore the enforcement of the law (Sanctuary cities in Dem run metro areas) or they directly water down the law itself (fluffed up deportation numbers where illegals are dumped at bus stations to self-deport and undermining of spirit and nature of the law especially when states make it part of their own laws). What this administration and the Dems want is to set the groundwork for amnesty and then have those they just granted amnesty to vote Democrat.

Well I believe E-verify is in the senate law passed that Obama would sign if given the chance.
And doing whatever is needed to enforce E-verify and more so strengthen it would be the way to go. I'm sure there are smart minds that could come up with some enforcement and enhancement to E-verify so employers must comply.
Hell... I'd even go for the 666 on the forehead.
I mean, SS #. A scannable SS number. For not only employment but buying anything anywhere.
Maybe that time has come? I think so.

 

[IGBT]

Good. At least something will get done, even if it amounts to little in the end. Congress keeps passing the buck and ignoring the problem because a minority of them (not necessarily saying Republicans here - for once) don't like the solution. So, they ignore the problem or pretend that it doesn't exist.

No, you can't deport 11 million people without humanitarian side effects that we don't have the stomach for. It would also be a logistical nightmare that causes more problems than it solves. Closing your eyes and saying "Secure the boarder!" does not make these people go away. Nor can you effectively reform the path to citizenship for those 11 million without addressing the flood of illegal immigrants from crossing over for the same opportunities. Look at what happened during and after Ronnie Ray-gun's tenure as POTUS. This is why the House should have considered the Senate bill when they had the chance. So here we are, with Congress debating the issue yet again, which they have been doing the entire time I've been on this earth. :/

stopping the reckless / ruinous liberal agenda is getting something done.

 

[theeedude]

Illegal immigration problem will be addressed by Silicon Valley, not by Washington DC. Tasks illegals currently perform as far as agriculture will largely be automated and done by robots. Other menial labor tasks, with exception of sex work, child care, maybe general contracting too random to do programmatically, will be automated as well. The only reason a company will hire a human over a cheaper to operate robot for these automatable jobs will be tax credits from the government to offset the difference, and those can be easily tied to immigration status.

 

[Matt1970]

Other menial labor tasks, with exception of sex work... will be automated as well.

No girl robots?

 

[MovingTarget]

stopping the reckless / ruinous liberal agenda is getting something done.

Please explain what the "liberal agenda" is here before you go off on how "reckless" or "ruinous" it is. The only thing that has proven reckless or ruinous here is the status quo of the past thirty-ish years. Immigration hasn't had any serious reform since Reagan was in office.

 

[michal1980]

Illegal immigration problem will be addressed by Silicon Valley, not by Washington DC. Tasks illegals currently perform as far as agriculture will largely be automated and done by robots. Other menial labor tasks, with exception of sex work, child care, maybe general contracting too random to do programmatically, will be automated as well. The only reason a company will hire a human over a cheaper to operate robot for these automatable jobs will be tax credits from the government to offset the difference, and those can be easily tied to immigration status.

That will only happen if you start kicking illegals out.

until you have millions willing to work for little, theres no incentive to automate.

 

[michal1980]

I love all the libs jumping on board this illegal amnesty program.

Just shows you really don't care about poor people. All you care about is government dependents voting for democrats.

 

[Blanky]

Interesting thing about all this is from what I can tell the majority of Americans don't want immigration reform of the kind being discussed, another example of Washington not on the same page as its electorate.

 

[Smoblikat]

The senate passed a good bill, a great bill, with teeth, that both repubs and demos voted.
Google what the bill says. What the bill does.

The bill ""stops"" employers from hiring illegals.
The employer will no longer get away with hiring, paying under the table, getting cheap labor, and thus paying less than the federal minimum wage i.e. less than $7.25 an hour.

Plus, employers that hire illegals can and often do treat their illegal workers any way they want. Just like slave labor.
Why?
I mean... Who's gonna tell? Who's gonna gripe? Who's gonna give the bossman away?
That illegal employee?
haha hehe hoho chuckle chuckle snort snort ckuckle

What draws illegals here in the first place are the jobs. The money $$$
And until this bill came along, that FACT had never been addressed.
This bill passed by the senate finally addressed the hiring of illegals.
You do not need a big-ass fence if once across that illegal can no longer find work.
It's not called rocket science. It's called common old fashion horse sense.

And you know the sad part of all this?
The employers that do hire illegals for a cheap buck, to avoid the law, and more so to attract
illegals into this country in the first place, ARE ALL PROBABLY REPUBLICANS !!!!
Most likely....

This immigration bill, passed by the senate, would greatly hinder and stop the hiring of illegals, fine any business that tried to hire illegals, and I believe (I'd have to read the bill again) I believe create a system where any hire-ee would have to be verified as an legal American citizen.

Sooooooo.... Naturally republicans in the house are going to oppose this bill.
And place all the blame on Obama.

One day, America WILL wake up.
I only hope we all live to see that day....

PS. And thanks America for once again being true to your cause by voting STUPID!
And I still ask the question, will America survive STUPID ???
.
.

Dont they already do this? I had to get an I-9 form notarized to get my current job.