Obama to freeze federal wages for 2 year

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nobodyknows

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Again, proof? I've provided a real world example. How about you actually provide some valid numbers. :)

I've have real world examples also, people I have personally known all my life and people I dealt with on a regular basis. Sorry, but beyoud what I know I'm not going to waste my time explaining myself to you. As far as I'm concerned you need to get your ass back to work and earn your money!! LOL!

If the world is so much better in the private sector then quit whining and go get a real job in the real world instead of whining about how underpaid you are as a government employee.... or perhaps you don't want to compete in the real world?

Or is it just too warm and fuzzy under that goverment blanket, with your goverment pension, benifits, and security? Like I said, if we cut goverment workers pay 5% I seriously doubt that very many gov't employees would quit, so they're certaily not going to quit over a pay freeze.

Keep digging that hole!! :D
 

dabuddha

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I've have real world examples also, people I have personally known all my life and people I dealt with on a regular basis. Sorry, but beyoud what I know I'm not going to waste my time explaining myself to you. As far as I'm concerned you need to get your ass back to work and earn your money!! LOL!

If the world is so much better in the private sector then quit whining and go get a real job in the real world instead of whining about how underpaid you are as a government employee.... or perhaps you don't want to compete in the real world?

Or is it just too warm and fuzzy under that goverment blanket, with your goverment pension, benifits, and security? Like I said, if we cut goverment workers pay 5% I seriously doubt that very many gov't employees would quit, so they're certaily not going to quit over a pay freeze.

Keep digging that hole!! :D

Guess you can't back up your claims with actual numbers :) None of us government workers are complaining that we're underpaid. We just get highly irritated by misinformed ignoramuses who talk out of their asses :) With my particular line of work, I wouldn't be able to find any private sector job that lets me do what I do so it has nothing to do with competitiveness (but I wouldn't expect a basement dweller to understand that :) )

Like it's been pointed out numerous times already, cutting salaries by 5% would not save much if any money at all. The pay freeze is nothing but political fronting and is hardly any savings at all. I'm definitely for consolidating some jobs the merging of some offices (which is currently in the works).

But keep on trying :) It's great entertainment!
 

alkemyst

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If you were actually comparing apples to apples, then you'd see that engineers making only 30-40k per year are the exception and not the norm. And like it was stated previously, there are no guaranteed step/grade increases.

Like I have said before, around here I have known no government worker that was not moved up based on time and has not been promoted prior to their 10 years.
 

Vette73

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Like I have said before, around here I have known no government worker that was not moved up based on time and has not been promoted prior to their 10 years.


Oh well I guess your word based on such a large and valid sample is all we need.

Go get another drink and come up with some other great and useful information.
 

alkemyst

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Oh well I guess your word based on such a large and valid sample is all we need.

Go get another drink and come up with some other great and useful information.

It's clear no matter what anyone posts you will be in defiance of it. Doesn't matter if over half the nation has had salary freeze the last several years; you feel entitled to your's.

Meanwhile you cry that "they aren't automatic" and "we already make so little".

Why then don't you join the private sector if it's so great?

Oh wait, it's not.
 

Vette73

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It's clear no matter what anyone posts you will be in defiance of it. Doesn't matter if over half the nation has had salary freeze the last several years; you feel entitled to your's.

Meanwhile you cry that "they aren't automatic" and "we already make so little".

Why then don't you join the private sector if it's so great?

Oh wait, it's not.



No, all I ask is for REAL data that compares Job 1 against Job 2 with the same duties and location. You know apples to apples. Not a drunk imaginary apple again a invisible peach on different planets.

And where did I saw "we already make so little"?
I make a fair wage, but I am not living high off the hog like you and other seems to imply but can;t back up.
As I said before I took a pay cut to work for the Fed. Stability was my goal. My wife works in private and is worried about her job all the time so this was our plan for long term job safety. She still to this day makes more than I do but I have more education then her.
 
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nobodyknows

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Guess you can't back up your claims with actual numbers :) None of us government workers are complaining that we're underpaid. We just get highly irritated by misinformed ignoramuses who talk out of their asses :) With my particular line of work, I wouldn't be able to find any private sector job that lets me do what I do so it has nothing to do with competitiveness (but I wouldn't expect a basement dweller to understand that :) )

Like it's been pointed out numerous times already, cutting salaries by 5% would not save much if any money at all. The pay freeze is nothing but political fronting and is hardly any savings at all. I'm definitely for consolidating some jobs the merging of some offices (which is currently in the works).

But keep on trying :) It's great entertainment!

LOL at you and how personal you want to make this. Better watch that temper, personal insults are uncalled for and you just make yourself look bad... well in this case, worse. ROFLMAO@U!!

I have my opinion that most govermnment employees are overpaid and underworked. If you had it so bad you'd go to the private sector instead of complaining and feigning it has nothing to do with competitiveness. It seems you have an excuse for everything. What it it you do for the goverment that doesn't require you to be competitive? Answer the telephone and tell people they got the wrong number? :p
 
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nobodyknows

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No, all I ask is for REAL data that compares Job 1 against Job 2 with the same duties and location. You know apples to apples. Not a drunk imaginary apple again a invisible peach on different planets.

And where did I saw "we already make so little"?
I make a fair wage, but I am not living high off the hog like you and other seems to imply but can;t back up.
As I said before I took a pay cut to work for the Fed. Stability was my goal. My wife works in private and is worried about her job all the time so this was our plan for long term job safety. She still to this day makes more than I do but I have more education then her.

Who does those studies? It's hard to compare what's required from one job to the next within the same company, let alone between private sector and government jobs.

You ask for the impossible, which seems to me to be just like a typical government worker. ;)
 

JD50

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It's clear no matter what anyone posts you will be in defiance of it. Doesn't matter if over half the nation has had salary freeze the last several years; you feel entitled to your's.

Meanwhile you cry that "they aren't automatic" and "we already make so little".

Why then don't you join the private sector if it's so great?

Oh wait, it's not.

Why don't you get a government job? Granted you probably couldn't get a clearance since they don't like alcoholics, but there's plenty of other jobs you could get.
 

JD50

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Who does those studies? It's hard to compare what's required from one job to the next within the same company, let alone between private sector and government jobs.

You ask for the impossible, which seems to me to be just like a typical government worker. ;)

Yea, that's pretty much his point.
 

Vette73

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Who does those studies? It's hard to compare what's required from one job to the next within the same company, let alone between private sector and government jobs.

You ask for the impossible, which seems to me to be just like a typical government worker. ;)


Funny you say its impossible yet before you KNOW Fed Workers make more.

Which is it?
 

werepossum

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Funny you say its impossible yet before you KNOW Fed Workers make more.

Which is it?

Everyone knows federal workers make more - that's been demonstrated so many times it's without doubt. The only question is whether, as you assert, the actual salary differences are primarily due to job locations and actual duties. You'll have a very difficult time convincing many people that federal workers have more duties than equivalent private sector workers - in fact, most of your argument seems to be there aren't equivalent private sector workers - but it's certainly hard to conclusively disprove that notion. Your other notion, that federal workers have to be paid more because they are in high cost of living areas, is more plausible, but to a great extent high cost of living areas exist BECAUSE of the federal government. If memory serves, six or seven of the ten highest median income counties are surrounding D.C.

To prove these things one way or another, one would have to do a study much more in depth than even the exhaustive study compiled by the McPaper, and I suspect at least one side would vehemently disagree with its conclusions were it to be done. Of course, the huge benefits difference is not arguable by either location or by duties. One hardly "needs" better insurance because one lines in the D.C. area rather than, say, Philly or Detroit.
 

JD50

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Most people realize that you give up higher wages for job security when you work for the govt. No I don't work for the government, but I used to. I gave up job security for higher wages. Those studies are flawed and don't take into account a lot of variables. Government bennies aren't what they used to be either, no better than comparable jobs in the private sector. It used to be a lot better, some of you are pretty outdated in your thinking.
 

Elfear

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Most people realize that you give up higher wages for job security when you work for the govt. No I don't work for the government, but I used to. I gave up job security for higher wages. Those studies are flawed and don't take into account a lot of variables. Government bennies aren't what they used to be either, no better than comparable jobs in the private sector. It used to be a lot better, some of you are pretty outdated in your thinking.

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After reading through a long post of what those in my same profession make in the private sector, my benefits seem no better than theirs. The only thing I've seen is a slightly higher matching percentage for a 401k, but then again stock options don't exist for govt. employees so maybe it evens out.
 

Vette73

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Everyone knows federal workers make more - that's been demonstrated so many times it's without doubt. The only question is whether, as you assert, the actual salary differences are primarily due to job locations and actual duties. You'll have a very difficult time convincing many people that federal workers have more duties than equivalent private sector workers - in fact, most of your argument seems to be there aren't equivalent private sector workers - but it's certainly hard to conclusively disprove that notion. Your other notion, that federal workers have to be paid more because they are in high cost of living areas, is more plausible, but to a great extent high cost of living areas exist BECAUSE of the federal government. If memory serves, six or seven of the ten highest median income counties are surrounding D.C.

To prove these things one way or another, one would have to do a study much more in depth than even the exhaustive study compiled by the McPaper, and I suspect at least one side would vehemently disagree with its conclusions were it to be done. Of course, the huge benefits difference is not arguable by either location or by duties. One hardly "needs" better insurance because one lines in the D.C. area rather than, say, Philly or Detroit.


Oh really, where? over 10 pages in this thread and its still has not been "demonstrated".
 

Lanyap

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As one of many people who lost their job even after salary and benefit cuts within the past year I can relate.
 

nobodyknows

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Funny you say its impossible yet before you KNOW Fed Workers make more.

Which is it?

Your reading comprehension sucks. I say it's impossible to put up solid proof to back up my opinion that most federal employees are overpaid and likewise it impossible for you to put up solid proof to the contrary.

Since we aren't seeing anything but whining coming from the federal employees affected and no mass quitting from said federal employees aparently the federal employees are OK with their pay freeze.... or they would move to the private sector and get the big raises they claim they deserve!! You guys don't have to take this sitting down you know. ;)
 

JD50

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Your reading comprehension sucks. I say it's impossible to put up solid proof to back up my opinion that most federal employees are overpaid and likewise it impossible for you to put up solid proof to the contrary.

Since we aren't seeing anything but whining coming from the federal employees affected and no mass quitting from said federal employees aparently the federal employees are OK with their pay freeze.... or they would move to the private sector and get the big raises they claim they deserve!! You guys don't have to take this sitting down you know. ;)

I guess private sector employees are fine with their compensation or they would all quit their jobs and go work for the government and get the higher pay and great benefits that they claim they deserve.