Obama to ask G8 to suspend Russia

[Texashiker]

So clearly you are a Neville Chamberlain guy, not a Churchill guy? Uh . . . . okay.

There is a big difference between Hitler and Putin.

Europe is showing a little more restraint than England and France did after Hitler invaded Poland.

But then again, Putin did not take all of the Ukraine. If Hitler would have stopped at Danzig Bay, chances are WW II would have been avoided.

No, it isn't.

Are you blind?

Or maybe you do not know your history?

 

[fskimospy]

There is a big difference between Hitler and Putin.

Europe is showing a little more restraint than England and France did after Hitler invaded Poland.

But then again, Putin did not take all of the Ukraine. If Hitler would have stopped at Danzig Bay, chances are WW II would have been avoided.

If Hitler had stopped at the Saar WW2 would have been avoided.

If Hitler had stopped at the Rhineland WW2 would have been avoided.

If Hitler had stopped with the Sudetenland WW2 would have been avoided.

If Hitler had stopped with Austria WW2 would have been avoided.

If Hitler had stopped with the remainder of Czechoslovakia WW2 would have been avoided.

Hmm, I sense a theme. It's probably England and France's fault WW2 happened though, you're totally right.

 

[Texashiker]

Hmm, I sense a theme. It's probably England and France's fault WW2 happened though, you're totally right.

Like I said, there is a big difference between Putin and Hitler.

Does not change the fact we are seeing a tot-for-tat replay of the 1930s leading up to WW II.

Does not change the fact obama is throwing gasoline on a raging fire.

Crimea is none of our business, just like Poland did not affect England or France.

 

[IronWing]

Russia is not some third world country obama can just push around.

Actually Russia is a third world country. But they have nukes. Otherwise just third world thugs.

 

[fskimospy]

Like I said, there is a big difference between Putin and Hitler.

Does not change the fact we are seeing a tot-for-tat replay of the 1930s leading up to WW II.

Does not change the fact obama is throwing gasoline on a raging fire.

Crimea is none of our business, just like Poland did not affect England or France.

lol.

As other people have said, you spend half the time complaining about how Obama is weak and the other half complaining about how he's doing too much. You're just a grumpy old coot.

 

[Texashiker]

lol.

As other people have said, you spend half the time complaining about how Obama is weak and the other half complaining about how he's doing too much. You're just a grumpy old coot.

Is that your rebuttal to my post? To call me names?

Consider this:

Germany lost land after WW I.

Russia lost control of land after the breakup of the U.S.S.R.

Germany and Russia both faced economic hardships.

Germany and Russia both looked to get their land back.

Outside forces placed economic burdens on Germany, as they are trying to do now with Russia.

Differences:

Russia has nukes, Germany did not.

Putin is not insane like Hitler was.

Nobody wants to go to war with Russia.

England and France were quick to declare war on Germany in 1939. Europe is showing a little more restraint this time around.

If Germany won the war in Europe it was going to be decades before Germany had a navy large enough to invade the United States. With nukes who needs an invasion force?

 

[Jaskalas]

What we may be looking at is an entirely new form of economic warfare, depending on how far everyone wants to escalate this. I just hope we're doing this for the right thing.

It is my fear that the United State's role is to simply foil Russian interests in Crimea, and that we are not moving towards letting Crimeans freely choose for themselves. I fear our actions are to subjugate Crimea under Western rule, by force.

 

[brycejones]

Do you know about the economic war jews declared on German goods? It was more of a boycott than an actual war.

The jews, the jews....WTF man?

Remember kids in TH's mind somehow Hitler was just misunderstood........

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Crimea was a democratic vote by the people. Obamas actions proves he hates democracy.

You can not punish a government because of democracy.

So would that mean because of Eisenhower and JFK's actions they hate democracy as well?

Not the first time the US ignored elections due to personal interests.

 

[Sulaco]

Is that your rebuttal to my post? To call me names?

Consider this:

Germany lost land after WW I.

Russia lost control of land after the breakup of the U.S.S.R.

Germany and Russia both faced economic hardships.

Germany and Russia both looked to get their land back.

Outside forces placed economic burdens on Germany, as they are trying to do now with Russia.

Differences:

Russia has nukes, Germany did not.

Putin is not insane like Hitler was.

Nobody wants to go to war with Russia.

England and France were quick to declare war on Germany in 1939. Europe is showing a little more restraint this time around.

If Germany won the war in Europe it was going to be decades before Germany had a navy large enough to invade the United States. With nukes who needs an invasion force?

You got slapped down for this shit before in the other thread, where you bitched and moaned about "Germany just wanting its land back!", and I swiftly and utterly debunked that asinine mindset by quotes and plans of action of Hitler himself.

Don't make me do it again.

Your ravenous appetite for Nazi propaganda from that era is both bizarre and frightening, since we now have the documents and proof that debunks it and shows the real aims, objectives, and ambitions of the Nazi regime.

Whenever you post this FUD, I will continue to slap you down with actual quotes and historical documents with actual merit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm good with this and am glad the EU is going along. It was the right call.

 

[IGBT]

Putin has greatly exposed the obama for what he is..a man child. Expect China to move on the the disputed islands near Japan and they will also move on Taiwan. The obama manChild will run to the u.n.

 

[Genx87]

So it is ok to sanction nations for democracy?

What is your opinion on Bosnia and Croatia?

What about Scotland? After all, didn't England invade Scotland a few centuries ago? Where are the sanctions against England? I think Scotland is considering breaking away from England and joining the EU.

Why is it ok for one nation to have a vote and will of the people, but not other nations?

What happened in Crimea isnt democracy.

 

[Genx87]

Do you know about the economic war jews declared on German goods? It was more of a boycott than an actual war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_boycott_of_German_goods

The nazis used the boycott to fuel anti-Jewish sentiments.

Now that the G8 has kicked Russia out, how to you think this is going to affect the typical Russian citizen. Do you think they may feel like the Germans did in the 1930s? Do you think Russian citizens feel the G8 is trying to damage the Russian economy? Kinda like how German citizens felt about the jewish boycott?

As the world turns against Russia national pride with get stronger. Now all we need is a spark. All we need is an Russian ethic group in some nation that is being oppressed. Putin invade to protect his people, Europe declares war on Russia.

This is an almost exact replay of World War II.




Will of the people.

So what you are saying is the Russian people are about to get decimated in a world war? Sounds like a great idea for them to go down this path.

 

[Genx87]

What we may be looking at is an entirely new form of economic warfare, depending on how far everyone wants to escalate this. I just hope we're doing this for the right thing.

It is my fear that the United State's role is to simply foil Russian interests in Crimea, and that we are not moving towards letting Crimeans freely choose for themselves. I fear our actions are to subjugate Crimea under Western rule, by force.

There isnt a way for Crimeans to choose for themselves. They are part of Russia according to Russia. Remember those other parts of Russia that tried to leave? Funny how when they wanted to Russia brought in their 1970s style military to put them down. I guess "Russian Democracy" is only legitimate when Russia wants it to.

 

[Genx87]

The jews, the jews....WTF man?

Remember kids in TH's mind somehow Hitler was just misunderstood........

I had to laugh a little when he said Hitler went a "little" too far in Poland. It is scary but mildly amusing.

 

[Genx87]

Putin has greatly exposed the obama for what he is..a man child. Expect China to move on the the disputed islands near Japan and they will also move on Taiwan. The obama manChild will run to the u.n.

I suspect China is watching Russia get economically isolated and be the worlds villain at the same time. China I suspect is enjoying taking the heat of them while looking for an angle to benefit from Russia's stupidity. I doubt they will move on those islands any time soon. They wouldnt want Putin to lose his time in the limelight.

 

[Jaskalas]

There isnt a way for Crimeans to choose for themselves.

We keep both Russia and Ukraine out of Crimea. We don't just let one side or the other move in and claim ownership. Crimea for Crimeans, 10 years minimum.

Is it going to happen, or is it realistic? Probably not. No reason for Russia to even move out. But if we're going to fight for something, it has got to be for freedom, not subjugation.

 

[Genx87]

We keep both Russia and Ukraine out of Crimea. We don't just let one side or the other move in and claim ownership. Crimea for Crimeans, 10 years minimum.

Is it going to happen, or is it realistic? Probably not. No reason for Russia to even move out. But if we're going to fight for something, it has got to be for freedom, not subjugation.

Genie is out of the bottle. Russia is there to stay.

 

[Jaskalas]

Genie is out of the bottle. Russia is there to stay.

I figured we were attempting pressure to force them back. Yet if we are thinking of it as a foregone conclusion that Russia will never leave Crimea, what is it that we're doing. Exacting an economic penalty?

 

[brycejones]

I figured we were attempting pressure to force them back. Yet if we are thinking of it as a foregone conclusion that Russia will never leave Crimea, what is it that we're doing. Exacting an economic penalty?

Yes, making it cost something to maybe discourage similar behavior in the future.

 

[DCal430]

Ridiculous the Crimean people want to join Russia, we need to mind our own business.

 

[Texashiker]

Your ravenous appetite for Nazi propaganda from that era is both bizarre and frightening, since we now have the documents and proof that debunks it and shows the real aims, objectives, and ambitions of the Nazi regime.

Scary because I try to present a fair and balanced opinion, rather than what people were force fed in school?

Obama is not trying to defuse this Crimea situation in the slightest. Crimea is part of Russia, get over it already.

The people spoke, they wanted to join Russia. But for some reason obama hates democracy?

 

[positivedoppler]

Crimea was a democratic vote by the people. Obamas actions proves he hates democracy.

You can not punish a government because of democracy.

My statements about obama being weak were not only about crimea, there is also iran and north korea.

The 97% Crimea vote was about as democratic as when Saddam Hussein won his election by 97%.

How would you feel with the growing Hispanic population in Texas that one day they held a vote and thanks to the Mexican American majority the states voted for Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico to go back to Mexico?

Oh wait, that happened once and our country had this thing call the Civil War to yank them back in.

 

[shady28]

The 97% Crimea vote was about as democratic as when Saddam Hussein won his election by 97%.

How would you feel with the growing Hispanic population in Texas that one day they held a vote and thanks to the Mexican American majority the states voted for Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico to go back to Mexico?

Oh wait, that happened once and our country had this thing call the Civil War to yank them back in.

That's an extremely poor analogy.

Here is a better one :

The US and Canada decide to merge and become one country, with Canada becoming a semi-autonomous province of the US.

30 years later the US gifts the state of Wisconsin to the Canadian Province of the USA. No one cares because it's still the USA.

Then 30 years after that, the US can't afford Canada's social programs so Canada - along with the Wisconsin - becomes a separate country again.

Then 30 years after that, with Canada-Wisconsin on our border, Canada's democratically elected gov't is overthrown and run out by "protesters", and a new unelected Canadian Gov't decides to become close allies of China - a known opponent / enemy of the US.

One of the first things this new "unelected democracy" does is tell Wisconsinites that they can't have media in English and their local Gov't functions will all be done in French.

People in Wisconsin, still being mostly "Americans" speaking English, ask the US to take them back.


What would you do?