Obama threatens Putin

[Genx87]

Do you believe any of that ridiculous nonsense?

I always figured people realized that all that Putin cult of personality stuff was transparent propaganda by the Russian government. I learned today that some people are actually foolish enough to believe it.

Some of it is creepy. Like the plethora of Putin pictures without a shirt. I also like the comparison about Putin looking the Japanese emperor in the eye vs Obama bowing. Obama has a solid half foot on Putin height wise. What is Putin, about 5'6" in heels?

 

[fskimospy]

Some of it is creepy. Like the plethora of Putin pictures without a shirt. I also like the comparison about Putin looking the Japanese emperor in the eye vs Obama bowing. Obama has a solid half foot on Putin height wise. What is Putin, about 5'6" in heels?

That and him diving for and 'finding' ancient artifacts, or the weird firefighting crap, etc.

It's also funny that the entire principle behind that gif is that Putin is somehow appropriately manly and that somehow makes him better. A good leader is not defined by their manliness, and only a fool would think otherwise.

 

[gevorg]

Do you believe any of that ridiculous nonsense?

 

[Harvey]

The lates events show us that Obama tries to provoke EU and UA to undertake sanctions agains Russia. Is seems to be a little bit foolish taking into consideration the economic and political situation of the USA. Obama has gone bats

Since you don't have the balls to tell us you're posting from Russia, who gives a flying fsck at a rolling doughnut what you think?

Русский мудак :thumbsdown:

 

[werepossum]

lol

Some of it is creepy. Like the plethora of Putin pictures without a shirt. I also like the comparison about Putin looking the Japanese emperor in the eye vs Obama bowing. Obama has a solid half foot on Putin height wise. What is Putin, about 5'6" in heels?

Only on Saturday nights.

Does it really make much sense to say manliness doesn't matter but height does? Other than that I agree - I've seen more photos of Putin's moobs than any straight man should have to endure.

I propose that from here on out, all moob photos must be behind a clearly labeled spoiler tag.

 

[glenn1]

What % of Russian exports go to the EU?

Your own link says Russia fears a reduction in their exports of gas and natural gas.

They know if they are cut off from the EU they are in serious shit.

Oh yeah, very serious. They'll be forced to sell it to China instead. Meanwhile Europe will sit in the dark without heat until they can bring new sources online for significantly higher cost. And at this point I'm tired of arguing the point, you and Esimospy can have it your way - Obama's sanctions will squeeze Russia like a grape and they'll go running from the Ukraine begging for Barack's forgiveness.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/russian-oil-seen-heading-east-not-west-in-crimea-spat.html

 

[cirrrocco]

Oh yeah, very serious. They'll be forced to sell it to China instead. Meanwhile Europe will sit in the dark without heat until they can bring new sources online for significantly higher cost. And at this point I'm tired of arguing the point, you and Esimospy can have it your way - Obama's sanctions will squeeze Russia like a grape and they'll go running from the Ukraine begging for Barack's forgiveness.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/russian-oil-seen-heading-east-not-west-in-crimea-spat.html

Lol.. I gave up a long time ago.

 

[Genx87]

Oh yeah, very serious. They'll be forced to sell it to China instead. Meanwhile Europe will sit in the dark without heat until they can bring new sources online for significantly higher cost. And at this point I'm tired of arguing the point, you and Esimospy can have it your way - Obama's sanctions will squeeze Russia like a grape and they'll go running from the Ukraine begging for Barack's forgiveness.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/russian-oil-seen-heading-east-not-west-in-crimea-spat.html

It may be they end up selling to China. However right now there isn't infrastructure to make up for the loss in any revenue from the EU. It is also possible China bends them over on the price because they know Russia cant sell anywhere else. And the EU will find other sources of energy.

History has shown when the energy suppliers try to play hardball. They end up losing in the long run. OPEC thought they had the west by the balls in the 1970s. Yeah, we had a hard time of it for a few years. The result was more energy came online and OPEC lost their power.

The market is a real bitch if you aren't a monopoly.

 

[MongGrel]

I long for the days of George W Bush. He would have dealt with Putin man on man and brought justice to the world. What a true American hero he was.

He he he he he he.

Sure he looked deeply into his eyes and saw his soul once

Or something, I'm more worried he looked deeply into his eyes.

 

[MongGrel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIUm1E4OcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwBZObfp24c

 

[fskimospy]

Oh yeah, very serious. They'll be forced to sell it to China instead. Meanwhile Europe will sit in the dark without heat until they can bring new sources online for significantly higher cost. And at this point I'm tired of arguing the point, you and Esimospy can have it your way - Obama's sanctions will squeeze Russia like a grape and they'll go running from the Ukraine begging for Barack's forgiveness.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/russian-oil-seen-heading-east-not-west-in-crimea-spat.html

Yeah, all they need to do is develop the infrastructure to get all that oil over there. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now.

By that standard, all Europe needs to do is develop the infrastructure to not get their gas from Russia. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now too.

Amazing how the US culture war extends even to things like this now.

 

[glenn1]

Yeah, all they need to do is develop the infrastructure to get all that oil over there. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now.

By that standard, all Europe needs to do is develop the infrastructure to not get their gas from Russia. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now too.

Amazing how the US culture war extends even to things like this now.

Yes, it's a culture war, that must be the reason. Let me know when Putin backs down because of Obama's threats. Be sure to cite me by name, quote this post, and PM me so that I can come back to this thread and eat crow when Putin cowers before the iron will of Barack. Doubly so if Obama actually goes through with serious sanctions on Russian energy.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah, all they need to do is develop the infrastructure to get all that oil over there. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now.

By that standard, all Europe needs to do is develop the infrastructure to not get their gas from Russia. I'm sure they'll be done with that any day now too.

Amazing how the US culture war extends even to things like this now.

To be fair, it probably won't take Russia any longer to begin selling oil and gas to China than it will take Europe to replace that energy.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I don't think Russia is going to be selling its oil and natural gas to China in massive quantities. China likes to be the bully in any relationship, has spent a LOT of time and money developing monopolistic relationships with oil-producing nations, and has watched Russia using its supplier status as a blunt instrument to gain power. I don't see China giving such power to its neighbor even if Russia can and indeed must sell more cheaply than other sources. And while Europe was remarkably unified and strong in establishing sanctions at first, lately Obama has had no luck convincing them to adopt progressively stronger sanctions. That makes me doubt that Europe is willing to make some or all of Ukraine a true red line, much less spend the money to cut Russia out in favor of much more expensive American oil and gas. Much more likely in my opinion is that Russia offers and Europe accepts the Sheldon deal: I'll keep Crimea and continue destabilizing the remaining portions of Ukraine until it does my bidding, and you'll find some way to be okay with that.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, it's a culture war, that must be the reason. Let me know when Putin backs down because of Obama's threats. Be sure to cite me by name, quote this post, and PM me so that I can come back to this thread and eat crow when Putin cowers before the iron will of Barack. Doubly so if Obama actually goes through with serious sanctions on Russian energy.

He's not going to back down because of these sanctions. They serve to moderate Putin's future behavior in regards to Ukraine as well as dissuade him from future adventures.

This has already been covered in previous threads. Where did you get the idea that it was going to bring Russia to its knees? I don't recall anyone saying that ever.

 

[glenn1]

Sanctions are put on stuff you control. NWO or UK/US/UN/EU/NATO/ISRAEL does not control Russia.

"Sanction" is not a proper term. But they use it to make it feel like they have some kind of moral authority in dat "international community" - my ass laughs.

Maybe Obama admin can brush up on Jimmy Carter's grain embargo. That and boycotting the 1980 Olympics sure did show those silly Soviets who was boss and no doubt led directly to them getting out of Afghanistan 10 years later.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He he he he he he.

Sure he looked deeply into his eyes and saw his soul once

Or something, I'm more worried he looked deeply into his eyes.

That was to keep himself from admiring Putin's manly chest.

 

[DominionSeraph]

The lates events show us that Obama tries to provoke EU and UA to undertake sanctions agains Russia. Is seems to be a little bit foolish taking into consideration the economic and political situation of the USA. Obama has gone bats

As long as I can keep my Russian remix of a Russian fandub of a Japanese Vocaloid song, I don't really care.

 

[MongGrel]

That was to keep himself from admiring Putin's manly chest.

I tend to still think of Dubya sitting on his own thinking to himself "Damned Putin, he can just switch posts and stay in power, frigging crappy USA and the laws and such".

 

[shady28]

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History has shown when the energy suppliers try to play hardball. They end up losing in the long run. OPEC thought they had the west by the balls in the 1970s. Yeah, we had a hard time of it for a few years. The result was more energy came online and OPEC lost their power.

The market is a real bitch if you aren't a monopoly.

Which history is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis#Chronology

March 5—Israel withdraws the last of its troops from the west side of the Suez Canal.
March 17—Arab oil ministers, with the exception of Libya, announce the end of the embargo against the United States.


" Western Europe and Japan began switching from pro-Israel to more pro-Arab policies."

"...the industrial governments of the world in some way altered their foreign policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...countries such as the UK who decided to refuse to allow the United States to use British bases in the UK and in Cyprus to airlift resupplies to Israel"


Sounds to me like a bunch of 3rd world countries effectively changed foreign policy for a big chunk of the 1st world countries.

 

[row]

berrie shoulda stuck to snorting white lines and left drawing red ones to the adults.

 

[Genx87]

Which history is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis#Chronology

March 5—Israel withdraws the last of its troops from the west side of the Suez Canal.
March 17—Arab oil ministers, with the exception of Libya, announce the end of the embargo against the United States.


" Western Europe and Japan began switching from pro-Israel to more pro-Arab policies."

"...the industrial governments of the world in some way altered their foreign policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...countries such as the UK who decided to refuse to allow the United States to use British bases in the UK and in Cyprus to airlift resupplies to Israel"


Sounds to me like a bunch of 3rd world countries effectively changed foreign policy for a big chunk of the 1st world countries.

Go read the section on decline of OPEC and the long term effects.

 

[shady28]

Go read the section on decline of OPEC and the long term effects.

I did. OPECs failure was in its inability to control its member states, and keep them from over producing.

These days, there isn't much risk of overproduction. If OPEC were as organized and discplined today as they were in the 1970s, they would own the world.

Then again, maybe not. We would probably just invade and take their oil, along with Russia, and China. Armageddon anyone?

 

[brycejones]

berrie shoulda stuck to snorting white lines and left drawing red ones to the adults.

The Russian foreign ministry should hire you. You're at least more entertaining troll than the OP of this thread.

 

[Genx87]

I did. OPECs failure was in its inability to control its member states, and keep them from over producing.

These days, there isn't much risk of overproduction. If OPEC were as organized and discplined today as they were in the 1970s, they would own the world.

Then again, maybe not. We would probably just invade and take their oil, along with Russia, and China. Armageddon anyone?

You didn't read it enough. More production also came online from outside OPEC in the aftermath of their embargo. Their market share dropped and their customers increased efficiency. As a result they lost their power. The point I am making is Russia has some leverage now. But their customers are making arrangements to reduce that leverage. Russia knows this which is why in Glenns article they dont want a "gas" war.

 

[glenn1]

You didn't read it enough. More production also came online from outside OPEC in the aftermath of their embargo. Their market share dropped and their customers increased efficiency. As a result they lost their power. The point I am making is Russia has some leverage now. But their customers are making arrangements to reduce that leverage. Russia knows this which is why in Glenns article they dont want a "gas" war.

And Obama does want a gas war? You can argue that Russia would be hurt "more" by effective Russian energy sanctions than would the US or EU, but either way it's not a credible threat since there's zero chance Obama will carry it out. Mutually assured destruction may work as a deterrent but we're beyond that stage now. Obama and NATO aren't going to severely damage their own economies to that extent for the sake of some very small amount of geopolitical leverage on the Ukraine issue. I may disagree with some of Obama's policies but I give him credit for being a smart man and he's certainly not dumb enough to do something like that.