Obama - the obsession

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Texashiker

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How many ways can you try to identify Obama as "Other" to justify your fear?

If you really wanted answers to those questions, you'd already know them. You don't, obviously. You just want somebody to blame other than yourself & your fellow "conservative" travelers.

Obama has been a community organizer, a teacher and then elected to office.

Explain to me how his work history allows him to identify with someone working a blue collar job struggling to get by?

Didn't his mom go to college on a scholarship, his dad went to college on a scholarship and didn't obama himself go to college on a scholarship?

How does his education allow him to associate with someone working to go to college?
 

theeedude

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Oh?

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Notice how total economic collapse caused Germany's stock market, measured in US dollars, to double.


A more recent example, here's Japan's stock market:

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All of this is happening while Japan is collapsing.
Japan sees record trade deficits. Making your currency worthless causes import costs to explode? Surely, nobody could have predicted this.


And here's Argentina's stock market. Argentina is so broke that they recently defaulted on some debts.

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Declining wages in combination with rising asset prices are the reason home ownership is at a 19 year low. People are really pissed off, and they direct that anger at Obama. They should really be directing that anger toward the federal reserve. Obama doesn't make the cost of housing go up exponentially. The fed does.

You are showing a cherry picked time-frame out of context chart of dead cat bounce in Weimar stocks.
If you look at the chart from start of Weimar, it accurately reflects a collapse. With stocks falling by 90%, and then doubling in the segment you showed, which still means they lost 80% adjusted for inflation.
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That's not what S&P 500 looks like from start of Obama administration.
 

dank69

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Fear of what though? Does he have horns on his head? Does he have some special powers to do things on his own without the usual checks and balances of the law? I just don't get it
According to my cousin (via Facebook) Obama is a terrorist in bed with all the other terrorists and she is scared for our country with him in the White House.









Of course she is a walking white trash stereotype. She can barely hold down minimum wage jobs, is single and 20 weeks pregnant living in her mom's trailer.
 
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Newell Steamer

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as opposed to the left that will give Obama credit for Osama, but a pass on giving weapons to ISIS.

No double standard from the left, none at all.

The only defective brain is yours moonbeam 1.1

I believe Obama helped birth ISIS; http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid/ - what was a helping hand 2 summers ago, could have been the spark for ISIS today.

Obama gets credit for issuing the order to enter a country, unannounced, and kill someone. So, yes, the success of this is his.

Now, unless Obama pointed to a map and said; I want these weapons to go right here,.., then no, he should not be held accountable for a SNAFUed weapons drop.

I am not sure how you don't see the flawed logi,.. oh yeah, you are crippled in fear to see the reality of the situation.

Herp-a-derp on, my alarmist and sensationalist fear mongering friend.
 

Jhhnn

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Obama has been a community organizer, a teacher and then elected to office.

Explain to me how his work history allows him to identify with someone working a blue collar job struggling to get by?

Didn't his mom go to college on a scholarship, his dad went to college on a scholarship and didn't obama himself go to college on a scholarship?

How does his education allow him to associate with someone working to go to college?

Still working at the "otherness", huh?

Really, really reaching at it, too.

You got nothin', other than fear & prejudice.
 

Spungo

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I find it funny that you're complaining about income inequality when in previous threads you wanted to raise interest rates because it would put more money in the pockets of people who lived on interest income. Interest income is overwhelmingly concentrated not simply in the 1%, but in the .1%.

Please talk to some old people before you start posting nonsense.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fixedincome.asp
DEFINITION OF 'FIXED INCOME'
A type of investing or budgeting style for which real return rates or periodic income is received at regular intervals at reasonably predictable levels. Fixed-income budgeters and investors are often one and the same - typically retired individuals who rely on their investments to provide a regular, stable income stream. This demographic tends to invest heavily in fixed-income investments because of the reliable returns they offer.

INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'FIXED INCOME'
Individuals who live on set amounts of periodically paid income face the risk that inflation will erode their spending power. Fixed-income investors receive set, regular payments that face the same inflation risk.

The most common type of fixed-income security is the bond; bonds are issued by federal governments, local municipalities or major corporations.

If you've ever talked to any financial person on the planet, you would know this. Rich people like Warren Buffet own stocks. Retired people own bonds.

Let's put on our economic thinking caps and predict what happens when someone drops the interest rates to 0, effectively stealing wealth from senior citizens through interest rate suppression. Seniors need to go back to work because they can no longer afford to retire:
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/13/146227020/what-retirement-seniors-are-getting-back-to-work
At 75, many people imagine they'll be retired and spending their time playing cards or on a golf course. But according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of working seniors is actually on the rise. In fact, it's more than doubled since 1990.
More than doubled since 1990? Why do you think that is? Did the life expectancy suddenly go from 60 years to 80 years? Of course not. This is happening because the fed is stealing money from seniors. Instead of seniors lending their money out at maybe 10% interest, the fed runs money off a printing press and lends it out at no cost, effectively undercutting seniors. Can you imagine any other industry allowing that? Suppose you write a book. You're really proud of your book, you worked hard for it, so you want to sell copies of it for $10. Being an asshole, I put on my Federal Reserve uniform, print a copy of your book using my own printer, and I sell it to people for $1. You would scream "Hey, you're stealing my capital!" to which I would reply "No, I'm helping stimulate minds!"

It's such an obvious and massive scam that Elizabeth Warren tried to draw attention to it. If you're going to steal money from seniors, it would at least be fair to let average people get a piece of the scam. Let average people borrow at that same zero percent interest rate:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/eli...w-at-the-same-low-rate-that-banks-get?ref=fpb
Of course, that didn't actually go anywhere. Unless you're a member of the Inner Party, you don't get access to free money. Us proles need to borrow at far higher interest rates.

As a result of suppressed interest rates, seniors are forced to take on more risk. This leads them to invest in..... wait for it.... subprime (high risk) bonds! Because that worked so well last time.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/us-banks-subprime-insight-idUSBREA1D07820140214

Carl Icahn warns that we're in another junk bond bubble, but what does he know. He's only one of the most successful investors in history.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/21/investing-icahn-junkbonds-idUSL2N0SG2YJ20141021
 

Texashiker

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Still working at the "otherness", huh?

Really, really reaching at it, too.

You got nothin', other than fear & prejudice.

answer my question.

How does obamas life of handouts allow him to associate with people who have to work for everything they have?
 

fskimospy

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Dude seriously you have no clue as to what you're talking about:

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You always rely on anecdotes and things like that because every time you try to use numbers you end up looking like a fool. Do I need to go back and cut and paste all the hilariously wrong things you said about price inflation in the past? (I do remember when I posted the real numbers you mysteriously stopped talking about them)

I like that making a certain type of investment that nobody is forced to buy have lower returns is "stealing" money from them. Pretty funny. Go take some econ classes, stop reading zerohedge and shadow stats, and learn something about how monetary policy works.

Don't do it for me, do it for you.
 

Spungo

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I believe Obama helped birth ISIS; http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid/ - what was a helping hand 2 summers ago, could have been the spark for ISIS today.

Obama gets credit for issuing the order to enter a country, unannounced, and kill someone. So, yes, the success of this is his.

What's funny is that the CIA warned Bush and Obama about this happening. Hussein and Gaddafi were bad people, but compared to what? If they were gone, what would replace them? Under Gaddafi, Libya actually had the highest standard of living in all of Africa. Now? Not even close.

Creating a power vacuum leads to a power vacuum? Shocker!
 

BoberFett

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Obama gets credit for issuing the order to enter a country, unannounced, and kill someone. So, yes, the success of this is his.

Oh, I see what Democrats are trying to show. That the person at the top gets credit for everything that happens underneath them.

That's why CEOs deserve to be billionaires, because they issued the order. Everyone below them designed everything, planned everything, executed all the work, but the CEO or President says "Yes" and therefore gets the credit.

It all makes sense now. Democrats DO support paying CEO hundreds of millions of dollars.
 

rudeguy

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So I did a search of "Obama" in the thread titles of this forum. The result reached the max limit of 500 - and that goes back only upto June 26th, 2012! So you can well imagine the actual number of Obama threads. And ofcourse this isn't just about this forum.

Yes sure he is the President and all, so will be discussed a lot. But there is a massive obsession with the guy for some reason, beyond reason. I mean it is to the point that if my bicycle tire is out of air, it is Obama's fault!

I am not defending him. I do not particularly care for him, and did not vote for him in either of the two elections. But I fail to comprehend the level of obsession with him out there. Is he the most obsessed about President in the history of this country? What drives this?

Thoughts?


Funny. I did a search for "Bush" going just a year and there are more than 500 results. What is the obsession with him?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
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Funny. I did a search for "Bush" going just a year and there are more than 500 results. What is the obsession with him?

Because Bush is currently the US president.

Right?

He is blamed for everything that has happened in the past 5 years, so I assume he's still president.
 

fskimospy

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answer my question.

How does obamas life of handouts allow him to associate with people who have to work for everything they have?

Convenient that you left out his work as an attorney as well as his status as a bestselling author, and it's also funny that you think being a teacher is getting a handout.

Sounds like someone's just jealous that Obama has earned more money through private enterprise than you ever will. He's also paid much more in taxes, I'd bet. Maybe you should stop taking handouts from him and go work for a living.
 

Spungo

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Dude seriously you have no clue as to what you're talking about:
So you're saying old people do not live on fixed income? Please tell us more about your economic theories.


You always rely on anecdotes and things like that because every time you try to use numbers you end up looking like a fool. Do I need to go back and cut and paste all the hilariously wrong things you said about price inflation in the past? (I do remember when I posted the real numbers you mysteriously stopped talking about them)
Your own numbers showed the price of everything soaring. You gave a graph from the federal reserve that showed 7% annual price inflation in heating oil. I posted a graph of education costs rising exponentially and you had no response. I posted a graph showing medical costs rising exponentially had you had no response. I posted a graph showing housing prices rising exponentially and you had no response. According to you and most economists, rising cost of living is a good thing. It's a good thing that home ownership is at 19 year lows due to a lack of affordability. It's a good thing when education is as expensive as a house. It's a good thing when record numbers of young adults still rely on their parents. It's a good thing when seniors are forced out of retirement.

I like that making a certain type of investment that nobody is forced to buy
Fail. I know this is shocking since you've never had a job before, but pensions are allocated by investment class. If you have a pension, you are buying bonds. You won't find a single pension fund in the world that is 100% allocated to stocks.

Interest rate suppression is the main reason union pensions are going bankrupt everywhere. People on the right like to laugh at those silly unions that expected 8% annual returns on their pension funds, but those were reasonable expectations at one time. You could lend money to AAA or AA rated companies like Intel and Microsoft and get 10% return. Now, you'll be lucky to get 4% on a corporate bond. As a result, pensions are hemorrhaging money. I'm really worried about my mom's future because of this. She's retired and she lives on a union pension. With interest rates as low as they are, that pension fund is getting smaller every year. As long as people like you are in power, those interest rates will never go up, and my mom will be forced out of retirement.
 

Newell Steamer

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Oh, I see what Democrats are trying to show. That the person at the top gets credit for everything that happens underneath them.

That's why CEOs deserve to be billionaires, because they issued the order. Everyone below them designed everything, planned everything, executed all the work, but the CEO or President says "Yes" and therefore gets the credit.

It all makes sense now. Democrats DO support paying CEO hundreds of millions of dollars.

I don't think anyone is expecting the CEOs to work for free (which would be the same as Obama gets NO credit for the killing of Osama) - but, if that is what your fearful mind views it as,.. OK. But, do try to calm down; no one wants to hurt your corporate overlords by taking away his/her spoils.
 

fskimospy

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Because Bush is currently the US president.

Right?

He is blamed for everything that has happened in the past 5 years, so I assume he's still president.

I'm always fascinated by how quickly conservatives started using this dodge and how consistently they deploy it. Bush's tenure as president had plenty of consequences we still deal with today.

Hell, I don't think Obama was president one month when conservatives started saying that bush couldn't be blamed anymore.
 

squarecut1

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Odds are anyone running for the job isn't one of us regardless of party affiliation.

The irony is that Obama is more one of us than the Bushes or Kennedys and so on. He comes from a rather humble background compared to all these families.

Where he isn't one of "us" is his racial background. Hence how Republicans strongly used to emphasize his middle name during election speeches in the 08 campaign, making sure everyone hears the name Hussein loud and clear to emphasize his otherness. I already mentioned my cousin's colleague saying White House should be renamed to Black House.

But ultimately you are right. It doesn't matter whether the President is the son of a billionaire or bus driver. The two parties are corrupt and have a vested interest in the status quo.
 

BoberFett

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I'm always fascinated by how quickly conservatives started using this dodge and how consistently they deploy it. Bush's tenure as president had plenty of consequences we still deal with today.

Hell, I don't think Obama was president one month when conservatives started saying that bush couldn't be blamed anymore.

And I'm fascinated that Democrats still seem to be under the delusion that after almost 6 years in office, anything going badly under Obama is still Bush's fault while everything going well is only because of Obama.

Of course in politics, it's impossible that the truth is somewhere in between...
 

Drako

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Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

Yes!
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama
 

fskimospy

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So you're saying old people do not live on fixed income? Please tell us more about your economic theories.

No, I'm saying that their interest income as a percentage of income is low.

You see I used real numbers while you babble about anecdotes. This is probably why your economic theories turn out to be wrong so much, haha.

Your own numbers showed the price of everything soaring. You gave a graph from the federal reserve that showed 7% annual price inflation in heating oil.

False. In fact, heating oil prices have been declining the last few years. So please, stop lying.

http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/realprices/ (go to heating oil prices)

I posted a graph of education costs rising exponentially and you had no response.

Education costs per student have actually pretty much stayed the same or gone up very slightly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...part-iii-the-three-reasons-tuition-is-rising/

I posted a graph showing medical costs rising exponentially had you had no response.

Health care inflation was higher before extraordinary federal reserve action than after it:
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I posted a graph showing housing prices rising exponentially and you had no response.

Just no.

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According to you and most economists, rising cost of living is a good thing. It's a good thing that home ownership is at 19 year lows due to a lack of affordability.

False, fact-free assertion.

It's a good thing when education is as expensive as a house. It's a good thing when record numbers of young adults still rely on their parents. It's a good thing when seniors are forced out of retirement.

Mindless ranting.

Fail. I know this is shocking since you've never had a job before, but pensions are allocated by investment class. If you have a pension, you are buying bonds. You won't find a single pension fund in the world that is 100% allocated to stocks.

I have had many jobs, and now you're resorting to ad-homenium attacks because you can't win on the merits.

Interest rate suppression is the main reason union pensions are going bankrupt everywhere. People on the right like to laugh at those silly unions that expected 8% annual returns on their pension funds, but those were reasonable expectations at one time. You could lend money to AAA or AA rated companies like Intel and Microsoft and get 10% return. Now, you'll be lucky to get 4% on a corporate bond. As a result, pensions are hemorrhaging money.

Actually, pensions have hit their 7-8% return targets on average even as interest rates have declined. What you have is increased volatility as they are invested in more non-bond instruments, meaning you need more careful stewardship of pension funds.

I'm really worried about my mom's future because of this. She's retired and she lives on a union pension. With interest rates as low as they are, that pension fund is getting smaller every year. As long as people like you are in power, those interest rates will never go up, and my mom will be forced out of retirement.

Shockingly enough, we shouldn't make economic policy on what you think is good for your mom.

So please, please take my advice. Stop ranting like a lunatic and go learn something about economics. You've clearly been duped by crank sites like shadowstats and zerohedge. Don't you want to be better informed?
 

fskimospy

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And I'm fascinated that Democrats still seem to be under the delusion that after almost 6 years in office, anything going badly under Obama is still Bush's fault while everything going well is only because of Obama.

Of course in politics, it's impossible that the truth is somewhere in between...

I've never met a single person who believes that. Like, not one.
 

rudder

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A "ruined" country doesn't have it's stock market index double. People just don't value companies in a country after it has been "ruined" at twice (adjusted for inflation) as much as in a country before it has been "ruined."

So money (and low interest rates) from the Fed had zero impact on the stock market?
 

Texashiker

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Sounds like someone's just jealous that Obama has earned more money through private enterprise than you ever will. He's also paid much more in taxes, I'd bet. Maybe you should stop taking handouts from him and go work for a living.

Where did his money for harvard come form?

Give me the same opportunity obama was given.