Obama supports the Constitutional Right of Mosque being built near WTC

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Homerboy

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You think that's, check this out



Lol, actually that's just the neighborhood. Not a real classy place and definitely not "Hallowed Ground"

No dude. I'm serious. Nobody (not even those "unsavory" Muslims) screw with my Dunkin' Donuts.
 

senseamp

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Anyways, even if you disagree with Obama on this issue, I don't see how voting for a party that has demonstrated complete inability to govern when it had full power from 2000-2006 is going to make things better for America overall.
 

dahunan

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I anticipated a response like this. So to clarify...of course it's tragic. My point though was that the sensitivities of the relatives of the 98 percent of non-muslim victims as well as America broadly carry greater weight, in my opinion.

not a chance.. 3000 vs 300,000,000 is insane...

Ugly Americans ... I highly doubt all of the family members from WTC deaths are as dumb as the posters here or the Republican Heroes like Rush and Hannity etc

the mosque was planned to be built how many years before 9/11

What was it that created 9/11 Islam/Muslims or American policy towards the Middle East and its propping up of the house of saud and funding terror in both iran and iraq simultaneously while they were at war

or maybe http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/summary.pdf
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/
 

dahunan

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Look at the typical hypocrite have a conniption fit lumping all Christians together, sounds familiar, like I've heard it somewhere in this thread ...but I think they were talking about ...lumping all Muslims in together.

Why don't the good christians stand up and fight the bad ones? ;-) ever hear that before
 

xj0hnx

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not a chance.. 3000 vs 300,000,000 is insane...

It was a percentage of those killed in 9/11 dimwit.

Ugly Americans ... I highly doubt all of the family members from WTC deaths are as dumb as the posters here or the Republican Heroes like Rush and Hannity etc
Looky, looky, more progressive tolerance. Man, you sound an awful lot like the people you are crying about.

the mosque was planned to be built how many years before 9/11
In the current location? None?

What was it that created 9/11 Islam/Muslims or American policy towards the Middle East and its propping up of the house of saud and funding terror in both iran and iraq simultaneously while they were at war

or maybe http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/summary.pdf
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/
Ahhh, you're a blame America liberal, now it all makes sense.

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Why don't the good christians stand up and fight the bad ones? ;-) ever hear that before
When the bad ones fly planes into buildings and kill 3000 people let me know.
 

werepossum

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Isn't it amusing that liberals are demanding that Americans not only respect Islam's right but actually approve of its intention to build its victory mosque two blocks from Ground Zero while also being totally okay with the Christian church having its land taken by the federal government? I have yet to hear any liberal proclaim that the Greek Orthodox Church has an absolute right guaranteed by the Constitution to a build a church anywhere it wants. It's almost like you guys have some irrational hatred of Christianity. Good thing we know that isn't true, right?
 

Craig234

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It was just a distasteful joke on the right rhetoric, but you are a grade A idiot, you and all the other ppl like you. You guys just wont let the fact pass though you thick skull. the analogy of OJ was such a utter nonsense, you are a moron. All the main opponents are asking only these question, WHO is building it and WHAT are his intention? and WHERE is he getting the funding from?

Muslims have a history of building victory monuments. They are all over the place, all over the globe, most of the ppl who oppose it are just asking for an investigation on this sharia law thumping asshole before he is given permission.

Actually, you're the idiot, which means there's no point in explaining more to you when you didn't get it yet. But no, that's not what most of the opponents are saying.

You're here parroting some conspiracy theory about a 'victory monument' that is pure idiocy to manipulate you into supporting bad people who are using mob appeal.

You want to win against an anti-American Muslim? Here's how: treat Muslims fairly so they aren't driven to your enemies by your bad treatment of them.

That's why 9/11 happened, because Al Queda was opposed by most Muslims and they wanted to force the US to attack a Muslim country.

You are a sucker for cheap propaganda - the idea that this community center has anything to do with a 'victory monument' needs a real idiot to fall for it.

It's designed to make you hate, to change the subject from the real issues of the community center - which are as I said before, the need to not discriminate against innocent people - to the imaginary group of 9/11-supporting radicals who want to build a 'victory monument'. The power of this propaganda is clear from the enormous reaction to the footage of a group 'dancing in celebration' in the Middle East on 9/11.

Because you fall for the lie, you fly into rage against the idea of the 'victory monument' playing into the hands of the propagandists and serving Al Queda's agenda.
 

yllus

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I won't bother reading this atrocity of a thread to see if this has already been posted, but if not, it's pretty amusing.

Where's the Ground Zero Terror Mosque? 39 Experts Explain!

39. "three blocks from the Ground Zero site in New York” – John Nichols

38. “two blocks from the site where nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by Islamist terrorists on 9/11” – John McCormack

37. "2-3 blocks from World Trade Center" – Yahoo! Answers

36. “mere blocks from the site of worst terrorist attack in U.S. history” – Daniel Halper

35. “two blocks away from where our magnificent towers crashed and burned, easy wafting distance for the Islamic call to prayer” – Diana West

34. “two blocks from Ground Zero” – Sister Toldjah

33."two blocks from the site of a mass murder committed in the name of Islam" – Ross Douthat

32. “at the doorstep of a site where terrorists invoking the name of Islam killed 3,000 Americans” – Wall Street Journal editorial

31. “so close to the site of the World Trade Center” – Stephen Schwartz

30. “at the site of their most bloody victory” – Debra Burlingame

29. “on the ash-strewn site of 3,000 dead Americans” – Jennifer Rubin

28. “next to the site where 3,000 innocent people were murdered at the hands of Islamic extremism” – Marco Rubio

27. “overlooking the site where radical Islamists killed almost 3,000 people in a shocking act of hatred” – Newt Gingrich

26. “next to the site of the worst of the 9/11 strikes” – Andy McCarthy

25. “near this site of reverence and respect for lost loved ones from the attack” – David Vitter

24. “in the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as the result of a terrorist attack” – John Cornyn

23. “on that particular site” – Michael Goodwin

22. “so close to the site of a horrific, history-changing act of Islamic terrorism” – Rich Lowry

21. “600 feet from the site of ground zero” – Jeffrey Kuhner

20. “600 feet from Ground Zero” – Dorothy Rabinowitz

19. “right at ground zero” – Rudy Giuliani

18. “at ground zero” – Douglas Murray

17. “on hallowed ground zero” – Pamela Geller

16. “so close to Ground Zero” – Claudia Rosett

15. “over Ground Zero” – Andrea Peyser

14. “ at Ground Zero” – Sharron Angle

13. "at Ground Zero" – Sarah Palin

12. “next to Ground Zero” – Bill Kristol

11. “In the shadow of the World Trade Center” – Abe Foxman

10. “in what would have been the shadows of the Twin Towers” – Rod Dreher

9. “near where the Twin Towers collapsed” – Clifford May

8. “at a place where Islamic terrorists killed more than 2,700 innocent people” – William McGurn

7. “next to the spot where 2,700 people were killed in Islam’s name” – Christopher Caldwell

6. “steps away from where radical Islamists killed 3000 people” – Sarah Palin

5. “on the boundary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks” – David Harsanyi

4. “in proximity to the scene of the worst act of Islamic terrorism — and the worst act of political violence — ever committed on U.S. soil” – National Review editorial

3. “just a stone’s throw away from 9/11’s sacred ground”- Sarah Palin

2. “at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S” – Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah

1. “there” – Barack Obama
 

dahunan

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It was a percentage of those killed in 9/11 dimwit.

Looky, looky, more progressive tolerance. Man, you sound an awful lot like the people you are crying about.

In the current location? None?

Ahhh, you're a blame America liberal, now it all makes sense.

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When the bad ones fly planes into buildings and kill 3000 people let me know.

fix your internet .. page is there.. don't be scared

Bad ones are bush cheney.. bush family.. reagan.. neocons PNAC et al

God told me to strike saddam.. he scripted that saying.. Bad christians are ANY that accepted General Powells PROPAGANDA speech to the UN

his mobile biological terror labs /bakery trucks
remote controlled planes used to disperse bioweapons over manhattan.. more horseshit
aluminum tubing to be used for missiles to strike israel and for underground nuclear reactors.. MORE BS...

Colin Powell = Christian and basically terrorist.. he lied so bombs could drop killing thousands and thousands of innocent people and for what gain
 

Red Dawn

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Isn't it amusing that liberals are demanding that Americans not only respect Islam's right but actually approve of its intention to build its victory mosque two blocks from Ground Zero while also being totally okay with the Christian church having its land taken by the federal government? I have yet to hear any liberal proclaim that the Greek Orthodox Church has an absolute right guaranteed by the Constitution to a build a church anywhere it wants. It's almost like you guys have some irrational hatred of Christianity. Good thing we know that isn't true, right?
WTF are you going on about? Victory Mosque??:rolleyes:

For the record, I think they should build that Mosque elsewhere but they have the right to build it there. I also don't know anything about some Greek Orthodox Church being taken over by Eminent Domain and finally I think Islam is even more ridiculous the Christianity.

Of course what I think about what religion people choose to worship doesn't matter as they have the right to worship as they choose. Same goes for you.
 
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Craig234

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Isn't it amusing that liberals are demanding that Americans not only respect Islam's right but actually approve of its intention to build its victory mosque two blocks from Ground Zero while also being totally okay with the Christian church having its land taken by the federal government? I have yet to hear any liberal proclaim that the Greek Orthodox Church has an absolute right guaranteed by the Constitution to a build a church anywhere it wants. It's almost like you guys have some irrational hatred of Christianity. Good thing we know that isn't true, right?

If the situation were reversed, I'd support the Christians' right to build the community center.

If the situation were reversed, I'd support the same position on Muslims on whatever issue you're misrepresenting on the land.

That's the thing - people like you take 'equal treatment' and turn it into you being attacked.

If you can't have your religious symbol put on the government's official stationary, that's an 'attack' on your religion.

You get that mentality that you are 'under attack' and then you are looking for 'revenge' everywhere - which isn't really revenge, but aggressive wrongs by you.

Pretty much every majority group I know of who has wronged a minority group has claimed they were 'under attack' as the 'victims' of the minority group.

Hitler said the Jews were trying to destroy Germany - that made people support destroying the Jews. Buy the lie and you find you are the one hurting people.

What language doe the large majority non-gay mob use to argue for their denying the right to marry to gays? That marriage is 'under attack' by the gays for wanting equality.

Hence the rhetoric "Defense of Marriage" act. It's not people being the aggressors to discriminate against gays - no, equality is an ATTACK on them by gays.

So you are the victim of equality again, demanding that the only fair thing to do it let you have your aggressive discrimination for revenge against the equality attack.
 

jackschmittusa

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While there are other threads covering the issue itself, I felt that is is also important to understand how all of this really started and the agenda behind it.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins/index.html

"To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post."

"Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)"

Much more to read there, but it comes down to this being a manufactured controversy by some of our own home-grown radical extremists. People who seem to hate their fellow Americans that happen to be Muslim.

They have resorted to telling lies (ex. the center will open on 9-11) to add fuel to the fire.

I hope those of you that choose read it will come to understand who is the real threat to our country and its values.
 

xj0hnx

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fix your internet .. page is there.. don't be scared

Bad ones are bush cheney.. bush family.. reagan.. neocons PNAC et al

God told me to strike saddam.. he scripted that saying.. Bad christians are ANY that accepted General Powells PROPAGANDA speech to the UN

his mobile biological terror labs /bakery trucks
remote controlled planes used to disperse bioweapons over manhattan.. more horseshit
aluminum tubing to be used for missiles to strike israel and for underground nuclear reactors.. MORE BS...

Colin Powell = Christian and basically terrorist.. he lied so bombs could drop killing thousands and thousands of innocent people and for what gain

Oh I see, you're one of those liberals that if someone doesn't agree with you they are a Bush loving neo-con, racist, bigot, well that explains even more. Nothing wrong with my internet, you link just sucks.
 

DesiPower

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Actually, you're the idiot, which means there's no point in explaining more to you when you didn't get it yet. But no, that's not what most of the opponents are saying.blah blah I drink kool aid... blah blah .

If there was no point then why the fvck did you go on and on and on... typical liberal behavior...
Idiots like you are not even open to the idea of investigating the SOB and dismiss it by saying - that poor guy he cannot be responsible for every penny given to him... OMG are you out of our mind... anyone who is remotely associated with such ppl should be punished the the fullest extent of law, isnt that what our law says too? or should he get a pass coz he is minority? GOD... you guys go all gaga when you see a minority... damn you liberal minority wh0res
 
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Phokus

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While there are other threads covering the issue itself, I felt that is is also important to understand how all of this really started and the agenda behind it.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins/index.html

"To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post."

"Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)"

Much more to read there, but it comes down to this being a manufactured controversy by some of our own home-grown radical extremists. People who seem to hate their fellow Americans that happen to be Muslim.

They have resorted to telling lies (ex. the center will open on 9-11) to add fuel to the fire.

I hope those of you that choose read it will come to understand who is the real threat to our country and its values.

When i first heard about this 'story' via word of mouth from some conservatives i knew, they characterized the mosque as being literally being built ON TOP of ground zero. It wasn't until i looked it up online and realized it was just another case of republicans being a bunch of lying, duplicitous idiots (as usual)
 

xj0hnx

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realized it was just another case of republicans being a bunch of lying, duplicitous idiots (as usual)

I just love reading threads about not lumping all of one people into a group (lumping all Muslims in with radicals), and then seeing the same people saying that lumping all of people into a group (Republicans a bunch of lying duplicitous idiots), very reaffirming.
 

ElFenix

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are they really planning on opening this on 9/11/11 or is that just stupidity overheard on my boss's radio? (well, it's the height of stupidity if true, i mean, srsly, can't they get someone to do PR for them?)
 

Exterous

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To be honest, I think it's a mistake to say the issue is the constitution protecting Muslims' rights, because it implies that people are right to want to have that position, the only issue is saying that the constitution is in the way, like the constitution has some mistake in it that we just have to go along with, but in a perfect world, the people against this are right not to want it and the constitution wouldn't allow it.

*shrug*

I have no issues with saying it's defending them because their rights are being assaulted. It is not my intention to imply it's right for people to have the position that land can be made sacred against a group of people and I don't read the statement that way. IMO it's not 'in the way' but merely doing what it was intended to do
 

eits

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www.integratedssr.com
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/obama-backs-mosque-near-ground-zero/

Another unpopular position Obama has taken on an issue. He's on a hot streak!

who gives a fuck? the popular position isn't always the right position. if people went with what was popular, gay people would never be married and black people would still be picking cotton down south.

besides, it's not a religious issue... it's a zoning issue. the city doesn't have any zoning laws that would disallow a mosque to be built, so it's legal. even if they did have laws against it, they'd be unconstitutional.