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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
More money buys more advertising to offset the Atwater-esque character assassination and fear-mongering in hopes to get more votes and win the election. Yay us. :)

Fixed.
Don't forget all the racism that must be overcome with the money. You know the funny thing is that you appear to believe that the Left is guiltless in the department of character assassination and fear-mongering. You too funny.

The left isn't guiltless by any stretch of the imagination. (they've basically been calling McCain senile for awhile now) I think if you honestly put up the personal attacks against McCain next to the ones directed at Obama though you would see a pretty sharp distinction. Both parties do it, but the Republicans do it more, and they do it dirtier.
Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?


I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin

Most of the "attacks" center on the bi-partisan investigation that says she abused her power as Governer. And on her stupidity and unpreparedness which she her self displayed, not being able to cite a newspaper she has read, etc.
All in all, the attacks are based on facts, though of course there is the lunatic fringe, but I take it your not talking about them.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?

No, of course not. With this, like nearly everything else in life however there are degrees. Every party participating in an election does things in order to win that are distasteful. The only people who don't are those who know they have no chance of losing, or no chance of winning. When people do something distasteful, we should recognize it for what it is.

With this in mind however, between the Republicans and the Democrats, one group has clearly and consistently resorted to character assassination significantly more often, and to a noticably harsher degree, and that's the Republicans. This makes total sense because it fits well with their strengths and weaknesses, but just because it is a smart strategic move doesn't make it any less scummy. Republicans generally are on the losing side in polling for most of the wedge issues of today. (most Americans are pro choice, prefer the Democrats' position on Iraq, UHC, etc.) In addition, Republicans run more on 'character' issues. This means you can simultaneously avoid the policy discussion that you will probably lose and demolish your opponent's character, which is what you need to do to win. Smart.

Just because both parties do something bad doesn't mean that both have equal blame for it. While we recognize the Democrats' complicity in these types of attacks, we should recognize the Republicans are worse about it.
 
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
More money buys more advertising to offset the Atwater-esque character assassination and fear-mongering in hopes to get more votes and win the election. Yay us. :)

Fixed.
Don't forget all the racism that must be overcome with the money. You know the funny thing is that you appear to believe that the Left is guiltless in the department of character assassination and fear-mongering. You too funny.

The left isn't guiltless by any stretch of the imagination. (they've basically been calling McCain senile for awhile now) I think if you honestly put up the personal attacks against McCain next to the ones directed at Obama though you would see a pretty sharp distinction. Both parties do it, but the Republicans do it more, and they do it dirtier.
Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?

If you looks solely to ads the Obama and McCain campaigns have personally run, there is no question whatsoever that McCain's have been dirtier. Even Karl Rove said McCain went "too far" wrt the kindergarten sex-ed ad. When Rove says you went too far, you are wading in some serious filth.
I'll take your response as a 'YES'.

 

jonks

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?

If you looks solely to ads the Obama and McCain campaigns have personally run, there is no question whatsoever that McCain's have been dirtier. Even Karl Rove said McCain went "too far" wrt the kindergarten sex-ed ad. When Rove says you went too far, you are wading in some serious filth.
I'll take your response as a 'YES'.

Not sure what you're not able to grasp about the difference between one side calling the other a terrorist and child molestor and the other side running ads against their opponents tax policies, but whatever.
 
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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
More money buys more advertising to offset the Atwater-esque character assassination and fear-mongering in hopes to get more votes and win the election. Yay us. :)

Fixed.
Don't forget all the racism that must be overcome with the money. You know the funny thing is that you appear to believe that the Left is guiltless in the department of character assassination and fear-mongering. You too funny.

The left isn't guiltless by any stretch of the imagination. (they've basically been calling McCain senile for awhile now) I think if you honestly put up the personal attacks against McCain next to the ones directed at Obama though you would see a pretty sharp distinction. Both parties do it, but the Republicans do it more, and they do it dirtier.
Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?


I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin

Most of the "attacks" center on the bi-partisan investigation that says she abused her power as Governer. And on her stupidity and unpreparedness which she her self displayed, not being able to cite a newspaper she has read, etc.
All in all, the attacks are based on facts, though of course there is the lunatic fringe, but I take it your not talking about them.
LOL..."Most of the "attacks" center on the bi-partisan investigation that says she abused her power as Governer." You aren't looking hard enough...or is this what you want to believe? She gets attacked on every possible level...no holds barred....from her being a hypocrite on family values, derogatory lipstick comments, moose shooter, religious beliefs, her kids, to her folksy talk. Get real.
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Ah...the old 'your shit stinks worse than my shit' argument. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the relentless personal attacks on Sarah Palin. Libs are far from guiltless in the 'character assassination and fear-mongering' department. But we all know the Dems do the same thing as the Reps but only they are justified in every distasteful action as long as it promotes the 'cause'. Right?

No, of course not. With this, like nearly everything else in life however there are degrees. Every party participating in an election does things in order to win that are distasteful. The only people who don't are those who know they have no chance of losing, or no chance of winning. When people do something distasteful, we should recognize it for what it is.

With this in mind however, between the Republicans and the Democrats, one group has clearly and consistently resorted to character assassination significantly more often, and to a noticably harsher degree, and that's the Republicans. This makes total sense because it fits well with their strengths and weaknesses, but just because it is a smart strategic move doesn't make it any less scummy. Republicans generally are on the losing side in polling for most of the wedge issues of today. (most Americans are pro choice, prefer the Democrats' position on Iraq, UHC, etc.) In addition, Republicans run more on 'character' issues. This means you can simultaneously avoid the policy discussion that you will probably lose and demolish your opponent's character, which is what you need to do to win. Smart.

Just because both parties do something bad doesn't mean that both have equal blame for it. While we recognize the Democrats' complicity in these types of attacks, we should recognize the Republicans are worse about it.
Dems are no more "noble" than Reps...but they are the last ones to see or admit that little tidbit of fact. I'm no expert on election strategy...but it seems to me that when a race is tight or you're down in the polls you have little choice but to resort to negative ads....the Obama/Clinton race being a case in point. Yet you make this phenomenon into a Dem/Rep ideological difference where Dems are strong on the issues and Reps are strong on character bashing. Sorry...but I have to laugh.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Dems are no more "noble" than Reps...but they are the last ones to see or admit that little tidbit of fact. I'm no expert on election strategy...but it seems to me that when a race is tight or you're down in the polls you have little choice but to resort to negative ads....the Obama/Clinton race being a case in point. Yet you make this phenomenon into a Dem/Rep ideological difference where Dems are strong on the issues and Reps are strong on character bashing. Sorry...but I have to laugh.

Both are true. Don't take my word for it. Check out the polling on most significant wedge issues: Abortion, global warming, tax policy, the war in Iraq, health care, I could go on. The basic Democratic party platform plank almost always polls higher than the Republican party on the same issue. This is simply a fact. So, if you're not as stong on the issues as your opponent, what do you do? You attack the messenger instead of the message.

It's not just this race, it's every race. Sure both parties do it, but if you pick a close race at random and look at what sorts of ads are being run, it is quite likely you will see Republican ads attacking their opponent's character. It is noticably less likely you will see the same from the Democrats. Republicans are viewed as the party of strong character, good moral values, etc. so they attack their opponents on this issue. It's all 100% tactics, it has nothing to do with ideology, nobility, or anything else. People here said they find personal character assassination distasteful, well you will usually see more of it from the Republicans. Not because they are bad people, but because it fits their strategy. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's how things are.

Please stop trying to turn my posts into something they aren't. I understand why the Republicans do what they do, if I were them I would probably do the same. It doesn't change the fact that they put out some really really scummy ads.
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Dems are no more "noble" than Reps...but they are the last ones to see or admit that little tidbit of fact. I'm no expert on election strategy...but it seems to me that when a race is tight or you're down in the polls you have little choice but to resort to negative ads....the Obama/Clinton race being a case in point. Yet you make this phenomenon into a Dem/Rep ideological difference where Dems are strong on the issues and Reps are strong on character bashing. Sorry...but I have to laugh.

Both are true. Don't take my word for it. Check out the polling on most significant wedge issues: Abortion, global warming, tax policy, the war in Iraq, health care, I could go on. The basic Democratic party platform plank almost always polls higher than the Republican party on the same issue. This is simply a fact. So, if you're not as stong on the issues as your opponent, what do you do? You attack the messenger instead of the message.

It's not just this race, it's every race. Sure both parties do it, but if you pick a close race at random and look at what sorts of ads are being run, it is quite likely you will see Republican ads attacking their opponent's character. It is noticably less likely you will see the same from the Democrats. Republicans are viewed as the party of strong character, good moral values, etc. so they attack their opponents on this issue. It's all 100% tactics, it has nothing to do with ideology, nobility, or anything else. People here said they find personal character assassination distasteful, well you will usually see more of it from the Republicans. Not because they are bad people, but because it fits their strategy. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's how things are.

Please stop trying to turn my posts into something they aren't. I understand why the Republicans do what they do, if I were them I would probably do the same. It doesn't change the fact that they put out some really really scummy ads.
I agree with you that it's all 100% tactics. But you seem to want to ascribe 'scummy ads' as a normative Republican modus operandi when all you have to do is to take a look at the Obama/Clinton ads to see that that the Reps don't have a monopoly on the art of character assassination. Look...if you want to believe that Dems have treated McCain/Palin more fairly than the Reps have treated Obama/Biden ...that's your prerogative. But I see big turds on both sides of the aisle a can't say for sure which one smells worse.

No doubt that the current ads McCain's running are blatant attempts at character assassination. But isn't it ironic that those who so strongly object to the character assassination of Obama are mostly the same ones who delight in making personal attacks on Palin? You see...it's not about absolute principles of what's right and wrong anymore...it's all about the relative ethics of blind partisan hacks. You say Reps are worse than Dems at this...at the current moment, I agree...but if you'd of have asked me right after the Palin nomination, I'd disagree.

If I've twisted your words into something not intended...please know there is no intent to do so. Just clarify your intent and I will stand corrected.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
It amuses me when people express pleasure at the thought of Obama winning. What does anyone think Obama is going to do that will radically improve American Life?

Obama like McCain is just another Corporate Puppet, who will sponsor more deficit spending, more socialist policies, and more big government. In addition the shadow of racism and reverse racism will be problematic for all domestic issues he attempts to tackle. It will be difficult to live up to the Expectations of the "change the world" college students while still serving the corporate interests that will own him, as they have all presidents before him.

It's just more of the same, the victory will be all Obamas or McCains, not the American People.
Just amazing. You don't see the contradiction in your post.
Obama recieves 150 million dollars in donations of 200 or less and you call him just another Corporate Puppet.
That's just classic denial.

Goldman Sachs $739,521
University of California $697,506
Harvard University $501,489
Citigroup Inc $492,548
Google Inc $487,355
JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112
National Amusements Inc $432,169
Microsoft Corp $429,656
UBS AG $419,550
Lehman Brothers $391,774
Wilmerhale Llp $383,024
Time Warner $375,063
Sidley Austin LLP $370,916
Skadden, Arps et al $360,409
Stanford University $341,399
Morgan Stanley $341,380
Latham & Watkins $328,879
Jones Day $309,960
University of Chicago $294,237
General Electric $290,584


Yep, it's just $200 individuals contributing. Don't fool yourself Tech, Obamassia is in the pocket of Corps just as McCain is, and from the looks of it, it's the financial sector and lawyers.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Dems are no more "noble" than Reps...but they are the last ones to see or admit that little tidbit of fact. I'm no expert on election strategy...but it seems to me that when a race is tight or you're down in the polls you have little choice but to resort to negative ads....the Obama/Clinton race being a case in point. Yet you make this phenomenon into a Dem/Rep ideological difference where Dems are strong on the issues and Reps are strong on character bashing. Sorry...but I have to laugh.

Both are true. Don't take my word for it. Check out the polling on most significant wedge issues: Abortion, global warming, tax policy, the war in Iraq, health care, I could go on. The basic Democratic party platform plank almost always polls higher than the Republican party on the same issue. This is simply a fact. So, if you're not as stong on the issues as your opponent, what do you do? You attack the messenger instead of the message.

It's not just this race, it's every race. Sure both parties do it, but if you pick a close race at random and look at what sorts of ads are being run, it is quite likely you will see Republican ads attacking their opponent's character. It is noticably less likely you will see the same from the Democrats. Republicans are viewed as the party of strong character, good moral values, etc. so they attack their opponents on this issue. It's all 100% tactics, it has nothing to do with ideology, nobility, or anything else. People here said they find personal character assassination distasteful, well you will usually see more of it from the Republicans. Not because they are bad people, but because it fits their strategy. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's how things are.

Please stop trying to turn my posts into something they aren't. I understand why the Republicans do what they do, if I were them I would probably do the same. It doesn't change the fact that they put out some really really scummy ads.
I agree with you that it's all 100% tactics. But you seem to want to ascribe 'scummy ads' as a normative Republican modus operandi when all you have to do is to take a look at the Obama/Clinton ads to see that that the Reps don't have a monopoly on the art of character assassination. Look...if you want to believe that Dems have treated McCain/Palin more fairly than the Reps have treated Obama/Biden ...that's your prerogative. But I see big turds on both sides of the aisle a can't say for sure which one smells worse.

No doubt that the current ads McCain's running are blatant attempts at character assassination. But isn't it ironic that those who so strongly object to the character assassination of Obama are mostly the same ones who delight in making personal attacks on Palin? You see...it's not about absolute principles of what's right and wrong anymore...it's all about the relative ethics of blind partisan hacks. You say Reps are worse than Dems at this...at the current moment, I agree...but if you'd of have asked me right after the Palin nomination, I'd disagree.

If I've twisted your words into something not intended...please know there is no intent to do so. Just clarify your intent and I will stand corrected.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, keep telling yourself that ....

The Cons did it to McCain in 2000. Kerry got 'swift-boated'. Max Cleland? Give me a break.

And why don't you back up all these 'attacks' on Palin? She has gotten a free ride - from the 'Bridge To Nowhere', to the gasline fiasco, from Troopergate to 'Pro-America'. Not to mention 'palling around with terrorists'.

Palin is simply a vacuous Barbi doll. The mere contemplation of her ascending to the second highest office in the US is insanity by the Republican party.
 

Dari

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
It amuses me when people express pleasure at the thought of Obama winning. What does anyone think Obama is going to do that will radically improve American Life?

Obama like McCain is just another Corporate Puppet, who will sponsor more deficit spending, more socialist policies, and more big government. In addition the shadow of racism and reverse racism will be problematic for all domestic issues he attempts to tackle. It will be difficult to live up to the Expectations of the "change the world" college students while still serving the corporate interests that will own him, as they have all presidents before him.

It's just more of the same, the victory will be all Obamas or McCains, not the American People.
Just amazing. You don't see the contradiction in your post.
Obama recieves 150 million dollars in donations of 200 or less and you call him just another Corporate Puppet.
That's just classic denial.

Goldman Sachs $739,521
University of California $697,506
Harvard University $501,489
Citigroup Inc $492,548
Google Inc $487,355
JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112
National Amusements Inc $432,169
Microsoft Corp $429,656
UBS AG $419,550
Lehman Brothers $391,774
Wilmerhale Llp $383,024
Time Warner $375,063
Sidley Austin LLP $370,916
Skadden, Arps et al $360,409
Stanford University $341,399
Morgan Stanley $341,380
Latham & Watkins $328,879
Jones Day $309,960
University of Chicago $294,237
General Electric $290,584


Yep, it's just $200 individuals contributing. Don't fool yourself Tech, Obamassia is in the pocket of Corps just as McCain is, and from the looks of it, it's the financial sector and lawyers.

Nevermind. It was.
 

PokerGuy

Lifer
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Guess the economy can't be doing that bad if there are enough idiots out there to give 150 million to a politician to waste -- and I don't care what party it is either.
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
It amuses me when people express pleasure at the thought of Obama winning. What does anyone think Obama is going to do that will radically improve American Life?

Obama like McCain is just another Corporate Puppet, who will sponsor more deficit spending, more socialist policies, and more big government. In addition the shadow of racism and reverse racism will be problematic for all domestic issues he attempts to tackle. It will be difficult to live up to the Expectations of the "change the world" college students while still serving the corporate interests that will own him, as they have all presidents before him.

It's just more of the same, the victory will be all Obamas or McCains, not the American People.
Just amazing. You don't see the contradiction in your post.
Obama recieves 150 million dollars in donations of 200 or less and you call him just another Corporate Puppet.
That's just classic denial.

Goldman Sachs $739,521
University of California $697,506
Harvard University $501,489
Citigroup Inc $492,548
Google Inc $487,355
JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112
National Amusements Inc $432,169
Microsoft Corp $429,656
UBS AG $419,550
Lehman Brothers $391,774
Wilmerhale Llp $383,024
Time Warner $375,063
Sidley Austin LLP $370,916
Skadden, Arps et al $360,409
Stanford University $341,399
Morgan Stanley $341,380
Latham & Watkins $328,879
Jones Day $309,960
University of Chicago $294,237
General Electric $290,584


Yep, it's just $200 individuals contributing. Don't fool yourself Tech, Obamassia is in the pocket of Corps just as McCain is, and from the looks of it, it's the financial sector and lawyers.


http://www.opensecrets.org/pre...oButt2.x=8&goButt2.y=3

John McCains donations:

Merrill Lynch $349,170
Citigroup Inc $287,801
Morgan Stanley $249,377
Goldman Sachs $220,045
JPMorgan Chase & Co $206,392
AT&T Inc $183,663
Credit Suisse Group $175,503
PricewaterhouseCoopers $163,670
Blank Rome LLP $153,426
US Government $152,118
US Army $150,470
Wachovia Corp $147,456
Greenberg Traurig LLP $145,737
UBS AG $141,365
Bank of America $133,975
FedEx Corp $121,904
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $120,246
US Dept of Defense $118,125
Lehman Brothers $115,707
Bear Stearns $108,000

I call SHENS. If McCain is taking public financing how can he have any donors??????
This is the primary donators list. Not the general election.
Talk about an incovenient deception exposed.
For the record Obama just raised 150 milion in donations that average 100.


btw wtf is the US Army doing donating to ANY candidate?
Double wtf what is the US government doing donating to McCain??
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: techs

btw wtf is the US Army doing donating to ANY candidate?
Double wtf what is the US government doing donating to McCain??

The US government isn't donating to anyone. That's just a byproduct of the dishonest attempt by CPA to equate donations from the employees of a company to actual donations by the company itself. None of this means that Goldman Sachs donated $739,000 to Obama, just that people working there did.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
It amuses me when people express pleasure at the thought of Obama winning. What does anyone think Obama is going to do that will radically improve American Life?

Obama like McCain is just another Corporate Puppet, who will sponsor more deficit spending, more socialist policies, and more big government. In addition the shadow of racism and reverse racism will be problematic for all domestic issues he attempts to tackle. It will be difficult to live up to the Expectations of the "change the world" college students while still serving the corporate interests that will own him, as they have all presidents before him.

It's just more of the same, the victory will be all Obamas or McCains, not the American People.
Just amazing. You don't see the contradiction in your post.
Obama recieves 150 million dollars in donations of 200 or less and you call him just another Corporate Puppet.
That's just classic denial.

Goldman Sachs $739,521
University of California $697,506
Harvard University $501,489
Citigroup Inc $492,548
Google Inc $487,355
JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112
National Amusements Inc $432,169
Microsoft Corp $429,656
UBS AG $419,550
Lehman Brothers $391,774
Wilmerhale Llp $383,024
Time Warner $375,063
Sidley Austin LLP $370,916
Skadden, Arps et al $360,409
Stanford University $341,399
Morgan Stanley $341,380
Latham & Watkins $328,879
Jones Day $309,960
University of Chicago $294,237
General Electric $290,584


Yep, it's just $200 individuals contributing. Don't fool yourself Tech, Obamassia is in the pocket of Corps just as McCain is, and from the looks of it, it's the financial sector and lawyers.


http://www.opensecrets.org/pre...oButt2.x=8&goButt2.y=3

John McCains donations:

Merrill Lynch $349,170
Citigroup Inc $287,801
Morgan Stanley $249,377
Goldman Sachs $220,045
JPMorgan Chase & Co $206,392
AT&T Inc $183,663
Credit Suisse Group $175,503
PricewaterhouseCoopers $163,670
Blank Rome LLP $153,426
US Government $152,118
US Army $150,470
Wachovia Corp $147,456
Greenberg Traurig LLP $145,737
UBS AG $141,365
Bank of America $133,975
FedEx Corp $121,904
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $120,246
US Dept of Defense $118,125
Lehman Brothers $115,707
Bear Stearns $108,000

I call SHENS. If McCain is taking public financing how can he have any donors??????
This is the primary donators list. Not the general election.
Talk about an incovenient deception exposed.
For the record Obama just raised 150 milion in donations that average 100.


btw wtf is the US Army doing donating to ANY candidate?
Double wtf what is the US government doing donating to McCain??

US ARMY
US DOD
US GOVERNMENT

WTF is going on here?
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: DixyCrat
Wow? I had no idea that Obama was so in the pocket of the special interests? of the people.

And you better believe we're gonna be calling in our chit.
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
you think he'll use some of that extra campaign money to pay down my personal debt?

that'd be pretty cool.

Way cool.

 

techs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
you think he'll use some of that extra campaign money to pay down my personal debt?

that'd be pretty cool.

Way cool.

hey man I like the original better... not trying to be greedy here :D
Question 2. I'm guessing,,,,yes?
From your avatar.
 
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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Dems are no more "noble" than Reps...but they are the last ones to see or admit that little tidbit of fact. I'm no expert on election strategy...but it seems to me that when a race is tight or you're down in the polls you have little choice but to resort to negative ads....the Obama/Clinton race being a case in point. Yet you make this phenomenon into a Dem/Rep ideological difference where Dems are strong on the issues and Reps are strong on character bashing. Sorry...but I have to laugh.

Both are true. Don't take my word for it. Check out the polling on most significant wedge issues: Abortion, global warming, tax policy, the war in Iraq, health care, I could go on. The basic Democratic party platform plank almost always polls higher than the Republican party on the same issue. This is simply a fact. So, if you're not as stong on the issues as your opponent, what do you do? You attack the messenger instead of the message.

It's not just this race, it's every race. Sure both parties do it, but if you pick a close race at random and look at what sorts of ads are being run, it is quite likely you will see Republican ads attacking their opponent's character. It is noticably less likely you will see the same from the Democrats. Republicans are viewed as the party of strong character, good moral values, etc. so they attack their opponents on this issue. It's all 100% tactics, it has nothing to do with ideology, nobility, or anything else. People here said they find personal character assassination distasteful, well you will usually see more of it from the Republicans. Not because they are bad people, but because it fits their strategy. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's how things are.

Please stop trying to turn my posts into something they aren't. I understand why the Republicans do what they do, if I were them I would probably do the same. It doesn't change the fact that they put out some really really scummy ads.
I agree with you that it's all 100% tactics. But you seem to want to ascribe 'scummy ads' as a normative Republican modus operandi when all you have to do is to take a look at the Obama/Clinton ads to see that that the Reps don't have a monopoly on the art of character assassination. Look...if you want to believe that Dems have treated McCain/Palin more fairly than the Reps have treated Obama/Biden ...that's your prerogative. But I see big turds on both sides of the aisle a can't say for sure which one smells worse.

No doubt that the current ads McCain's running are blatant attempts at character assassination. But isn't it ironic that those who so strongly object to the character assassination of Obama are mostly the same ones who delight in making personal attacks on Palin? You see...it's not about absolute principles of what's right and wrong anymore...it's all about the relative ethics of blind partisan hacks. You say Reps are worse than Dems at this...at the current moment, I agree...but if you'd of have asked me right after the Palin nomination, I'd disagree.

If I've twisted your words into something not intended...please know there is no intent to do so. Just clarify your intent and I will stand corrected.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, keep telling yourself that ....

The Cons did it to McCain in 2000. Kerry got 'swift-boated'. Max Cleland? Give me a break.

And why don't you back up all these 'attacks' on Palin? She has gotten a free ride - from the 'Bridge To Nowhere', to the gasline fiasco, from Troopergate to 'Pro-America'. Not to mention 'palling around with terrorists'.

Palin is simply a vacuous Barbi doll. The mere contemplation of her ascending to the second highest office in the US is insanity by the Republican party.
You're obviously highly partisan...has it ever crossed your mind that you may be slightly biased in how you perceive the world? You know...a lot of people think Obama got a huge pass on his lack of experience as well as with his associations with Ayers and Wright. But of course...you're dead right in criticizing Palin...and the Reps are all dead wrong in criticizing Obama...it could never be otherwise for the 'enlightened ones'. Sheesh. You're a smart guy...you can do better.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
you think he'll use some of that extra campaign money to pay down the national debt?

that'd be pretty cool.

$150,000,000
VS
$11,000,000,000,000?

He may as well piss it away.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: loki8481
really, who gives a shit? he's already got this election won.

The election is not won until after the polls close on Nov 4.