Obama sets record high for deporting illegals

[PeshakJang]

Obama admin deporting as many as they have is significant in and of itself. Comparisons only detract away from that fact. The fact that a substantial amount of deportations are continuing under the Obama admin should be good news, but for some odd reason, to some it's not.

Comparisons detract from what? From Napolitano's lying? Saying that they deported a record-breaking number of illegal aliens is simply not true, as it was less than last year.

If next year's budget deficit is slightly less than this year's, but it is still bigger than last year, would you say that it is a record-high deficit?

And why is it that the fact that Big Business is providing most of the jobs the illegals are finding and filling hardly gets mentioned, as if they are somehow above the law and not responsible for their part in this situation?

I agree. I think we need to punish them more. They got one today (Dobbs)

Why is it that the righties continually ignore this little factoid that points a finger directly at them as being a defining factor in why there are millions of illegals that are able survive in a country that they should not be in.

On the one hand, the righties say Big Business needs the cheap labor to make a decent profit, yet on the other they want all the illegals deported that would deny Big Business the very slave labor they rely on to "stay in business".

I don't recall hearing any "righties" here saying we need to keep illegals here for their labor... most think we need to punish business AS WELL AS rounding up and deporting the workers. I have, on the other hand, heard several "lefties" saying we should keep them unless we want to pay more for our produce.

Secure the borders, punish business, punish sanctuary cities, arrest, and deport.

 

[PeshakJang]

Because it would be an argument over which admin was responsible for what percentage of the #s. Why hassle over it? Policies didn't change from '08-09 for W or from '09-10 for Barry.

But I'm sure that people like you would argue all of '09 was because of how good a job W's admin did. You know, the same people that think that the economy was Obama's fault @12:01 on 1-21-09 ... or was it the 20th?

That's completely ignoring the numbers though... Napolitano is claiming that FY 2010 deportations are at record highs, but they are not.

You don't have to argue about percentages of responsibility at all... say it was an equal effort... either way you cut it, FY 2009 had higher deportation numbers than FY 2010. SOMETHING is responsible for this, whatever it is, but the fact that in the first full year of Obama's administration that number stayed the same or decreased slightly means that Napolitano's statement is flat out wrong. Deportations decreased.

If budget deficits are going up year after year, and then in FY 2010 they are slightly lower than FY 2009, would we compare them to 2008 is saying they are record breaking?

 

[trenchfoot]

Comparisons detract from what? From Napolitano's lying? Saying that they deported a record-breaking number of illegal aliens is simply not true, as it was less than last year.

If next year's budget deficit is slightly less than this year's, but it is still bigger than last year, would you say that it is a record-high deficit?



I agree. I think we need to punish them more. They got one today (Dobbs)



I don't recall hearing any "righties" here saying we need to keep illegals here for their labor... most think we need to punish business AS WELL AS rounding up and deporting the workers. I have, on the other hand, heard several "lefties" saying we should keep them unless we want to pay more for our produce.

Secure the borders, punish business, punish sanctuary cities, arrest, and deport.

Thanks for pointing out what I mentioned about "righties saying we need to keep illegals here......" as it gives me a chance to expound for clarification.

By recollection, and in all honesty, I believe I've read more than a few posts from righties claiming that illegals are needed for those jobs that US citizens won't go near, and yes, I recall some leftie's mentioning same.

A split occurred when mention was made about Bush wanting to grant amnesty to those illegals that had clean records just as Reagan did back in the 80's. As Bush and Reagan is/were repubs, the righties naturally defended Reagan's use of and Bush's desire to usethe amnesty program allowing Bush's Big Business buddies to keep on exploiting the illegals, while a few righties (and lefties) (yes, me included,) were for upholding the law of the land, no exceptions. Claims of bigotry were thrown in, slavery was mentioned, etc.

But the issue came to a head when it was mentioned that after those illegals were granted amnesty, they were going to unionize and some attitudes changed right then and there.

I have to disagree though, with your contention that most righties are for punishing Big Business to stop the flow of illegals based on what transpired in those spirited discussions being played out in this forum when Bush was in power and the repubs held both houses of Congress.

As to your implying that lefties are the ones who want to keep the illegals to keep costs down, well, yes, I 've read posts where a few of them had said that, but there were just as many if not more righties saying that too.

It seems though, that a change of attitudes had occurred in this regard when the Dems took over.

 

[hal2kilo]

The last time someone posted a thread on how Mr Obama's adminstration has deported more people than Mr Bush, the response from the forum's anti-Obamaites was "I don't care about the numbers, I know Obama is weak on immigration."

Facts? We don't need no stinking facts. Facts is librul.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Governmnt numbers . If you believe government Math your truely hopelessly lost.

 

[PeshakJang]

Facts? We don't need no stinking facts. Facts is librul.

I posted the facts. The librul facts to boot... straight from DHS. The librul facts disagree with the librul administration's claims.

 

[PeshakJang]

Because it would be an argument over which admin was responsible for what percentage of the #s. Why hassle over it? Policies didn't change from '08-09 for W or from '09-10 for Barry.

But I'm sure that people like you would argue all of '09 was because of how good a job W's admin did. You know, the same people that think that the economy was Obama's fault @12:01 on 1-21-09 ... or was it the 20th?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/12border.html

Here's something from August of 2009... back when Napolitano was taking credit for the deportation results so far that year, saying they had outdone the Bush admin, while relying on Bush-implemented programs.

So it seems like they were more than willing to take credit for the numbers last year, but when this year is slightly less, they still want to appeal to the anti-illegal immigrant base and claim that it is a record-breaking year.... by ignoring last year.

Every year is going to be a record breaking year from now on... with a selective reference frame.

 

[werepossum]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/12border.html

Here's something from August of 2009... back when Napolitano was taking credit for the deportation results so far that year, saying they had outdone the Bush admin, while relying on Bush-implemented programs.

So it seems like they were more than willing to take credit for the numbers last year, but when this year is slightly less, they still want to appeal to the anti-illegal immigrant base and claim that it is a record-breaking year.... by ignoring last year.

Every year is going to be a record breaking year from now on... with a selective reference frame.

All true, but there is SOME good news anyway. Bush fought against enforcing border law and returned some illegals who almost certainly came back at will. Obama fights against enforcing border law and returns some illegals who almost certainly come back at will, but concentrates on felons. Given that true enforcement sucked under both presidents, I'd prefer to send more felons out of the country, even if it's only as a temporary inconvenience, even if as we both suspect fewer total illegals are sent out than under Bush. All illegals are NOT equal.

 

[PeshakJang]

All true, but there is SOME good news anyway. Bush fought against enforcing border law and returned some illegals who almost certainly came back at will. Obama fights against enforcing border law and returns some illegals who almost certainly come back at will, but concentrates on felons. Given that true enforcement sucked under both presidents, I'd prefer to send more felons out of the country, even if it's only as a temporary inconvenience, even if as we both suspect fewer total illegals are sent out than under Bush. All illegals are NOT equal.

Oh I definitely agree.. get the criminals out. Problem is, the admin has basically (literally) been saying, "If you stay out of trouble, we aren't going to try to deport you.", and now after they have launched several lawsuits against a state trying to do what the feds have refused to do, and gotten the majority of American (citizens) pissed off at them, they trot this out saying "We're deported more people than ever in history.", when it is a flat out lie, and ignores 50% of the statistics.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I went to the city clerk last weak and got the last registration for voting. After they gave me a copy I began circling names. The clerk asked why I circled those names . I looked deep and hard into his eyes and said these are all illegal votes you allowed and didn't report . You knew they were all felon . Not allowed to vote yet ya did nothing . I voted for city council members that night so I know for a fact you were there when they voted. I told you guys about the roadwork going on here. The Road builders need to get rid if fill they were digging up . I asked the city if I could get some they denied me . Monday the trucks started dumping were I needed the fill. I didn't even know they were coming . I went to the clerks office and asked what was going on . They said they had a change of heart . He than asked me not to publish online the voting record. I told him to come and get the fill . Because I was going to expose the cities voting fraud anyway and I have.

 

[PeshakJang]

I went to the city clerk last weak and got the last registration for voting. After they gave me a copy I began circling names. The clerk asked why I circled those names . I looked deep and hard into his eyes and said these are all illegal votes you allowed and didn't report . You knew they were all felon . Not allowed to vote yet ya did nothing . I voted for city council members that night so I know for a fact you were there when they voted. I told you guys about the roadwork going on here. The Road builders need to get rid if fill they were digging up . I asked the city if I could get some they denied me . Monday the trucks started dumping were I needed the fill. I didn't even know they were coming . I went to the clerks office and asked what was going on . They said they had a change of heart . He than asked me not to publish online the voting record. I told him to come and get the fill . Because I was going to expose the cities voting fraud anyway and I have.

You know... every time you post, I think about Grandpa Simpson.