Obama seeks to extend Patriot Act provisions

[Schadenfroh]

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...tension-of-patriot-act-than-house-republicans

The Obama administration said Tuesday it wants a three-year extension of Patriot Act surveillance authorities, far longer than the timeline proposed by House Republicans
...
A longer extension, the administration's statement said, "would ensure appropriate congressional oversight by maintaining a sunset, but the longer duration provides the necessary certainty and predictability that our Nation’s intelligence and law enforcement agencies require as they continue to protect our national security."

He has no problem standing up to party pressure in order to do the right thing. :thumbsup;

Yet, the Republican controlled House fails to pass extensions to certain provisions.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...tend-Patriot-Act-portions/UPI-56611297256317/

"Democrats in Congress voted to deny their own administration's request for key weapons in the war on terror," said Erica Elliott
...
"The Patriot Act represents the undermining of civil liberties," Kucinich said.

The provisions that failed seem to be reasonable and helpful to law enforcement, and they require court orders (except possibly the one regarding surveillance of non-citizens that are suspected terrorists).

Once they bring it back up again, it should pass with a simple majority. Hopefully, before it lapses.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Get rid of it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's another version of Obamacare. Embrace it Dems.


Get rid of the whole crappy thing and create a new bill which is specific and can withstand scrutiny from a Constitutional perspective, not a creative "the Constitution is a living document and we can interpret it as we want" one.

 

[Unheard]

Ok, I'm confused. When the repubs put the patriot act in place, all the dems kicked and screamed to repeal it. Now that it is up for expiration, a dem president supports it, and all the dems kick and scream that the repubs blocked the presidential backed extension of it.

Can someone please make up their damn mind?

 

[crownjules]

House rejects extensions of Patriot Act

Republican leadership was surprised when they fell 7 votes short of the 2/3rds they needed to pass the bill, which was brought up by Republicans under special expedited procedure. It had originally been passed back on Dec 8th. And according to this article, the GOP leadership blames the Democrats for the vote's failure. That's exactly what the Democrats did when they had control of the House and still couldn't pass votes on bills - blame the Republicans.

Refreshing that 26 Republicans broke from their party line and voted for the protection of our privacy. Funny that GOP leadership now blames the other party for their own failure to keep their guys in line (not that I want them to do that).

 

[spidey07]

The republicans that voted against it were teabaggers. Just sayin'.

 

[Schadenfroh]

n/m

 

[crownjules]

The republicans that voted against it were teabaggers. Just sayin'.

You need to read more carefully. Only seven of the 26 dissenting Republicans were teabaggers.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

House rejects extensions of Patriot Act

Republican leadership was surprised when they fell 7 votes short of the 2/3rds they needed to pass the bill, which was brought up by Republicans under special expedited procedure. It had originally been passed back on Dec 8th. And according to this article, the GOP leadership blames the Democrats for the vote's failure. That's exactly what the Democrats did when they had control of the House and still couldn't pass votes on bills - blame the Republicans.

Refreshing that 26 Republicans broke from their party line and voted for the protection of our privacy. Funny that GOP leadership now blames the other party for their own failure to keep their guys in line (not that I want them to do that).

I believe this will come up for a general vote which requires a simple majority. It will sail through.

A power granted is a power given forever, sunset provision or no.

 

[dca221]

You need to read more carefully. Only seven of the 26 dissenting Republicans were teabaggers.

Don't confuse Spidey with facts

 

[Scotteq]

It's another version of Obamacare. Embrace it Dems.


Get rid of the whole crappy thing and create a new bill which is specific and can withstand scrutiny from a Constitutional perspective, not a creative "the Constitution is a living document and we can interpret it as we want" one.

THIS


The Patriot Act was a piece of reactionary sh*t from the very beginning. The faster it's killed, the better.

And yeah: 3 more years is too damned long.

 

[CPA]

Weren't the Dems bitching and moaning about the Patriot Act to begin with? I know for a fact that certain left leaning posters have been railing on it since it's inception.

 

[Scotteq]

Weren't the Dems bitching and moaning about the Patriot Act to begin with? I know for a fact that certain left leaning posters have been railing on it since it's inception.

This is true: Though if you look at the voting record and note the well~entrenched all voted for it (regardless of party affiliation), a cynical observer may opine that "No Government Servant(sic) Ever Saw A Power Grab (S)He Didn't Like".

 

[Anarchist420]

It's pretty evident that the tea party has been hijacked by neocons.
From RLC:
Some Tea Party-Supported Representatives Vote Against Liberty
A large coalition of Tea Party-supported members of Congress voted for PATRIOT Act reauthorization. They include:
• Kevin McCarthy (R, CA-22) and Eric Cantor, both members of the House GOP Leadership;
• Michele Bachmann (R, MN-06), the leader of the Tea Party Caucus in the U.S. House and a potential 2012 Presidential candidate;
• Mike Pence (R, IN-06) and Paul Ryan (R, WI-01), potential presidential candidates in 2012 or 2016;
• Rick Berg (R, ND-At Large), a prospective candidate for U.S. Senate in North Dakota;
• Diane Black (R, TN-06) and Marsha Blackburn, both Tea Party-supported Congresswomen from Tennessee;
• Larry Bucshon (R, IN-08) and Todd Young (R, IN-09) recently elected Tea Party-supported Congressmen from southern Indiana;
• Steve Chabot (R, OH-01) and Jim Jordan (R, OH-04), both of whom were endorsed by the RLC in 2010;
• Chip Cravaack (R, MN-08) and Jeff Flake (R, AZ-06), who were endorsed by the RLC in 2010;
• Kristi Noem (R, SD-At Large) and Jamie Herrera (R, WA), young “rising star” Representatives elected with support of the Tea Party
• Blake Farenthold (R, TX-27) and John Culberson (R, TX-07), both said to have libertarian leanings;
• Joe Walsh (R, IL-08) and Bob Dold (R, IL-10), newly elected Representatives from Illinois;
• Lou Barletta (R, PA-11), a Tea Party-supported Congressman who was elected last year;
• Dan Benishek (R, MI-01), a Tea Party candidate from northern Michigan who was elected to Bart Stupak’s seat last year;
• Steve Southerland (R, FL-02) and Steven Palazzo (R, MS-04), Tea Party-supported members of Congress; and
• Allen West (R, FL-22) and Tim Scott (R, SC-01), African American members of the House Republican Caucus.

 

[dainthomas]

Obama is at least as conservative as Bush (despite what Rush and Glen tell you). His stance is no surprise to anyone with a brain.

More war
More tax cuts
More giant corporate bailouts

Second verse, same as the first.

 

[Scotteq]

It's pretty evident that the tea party has been hijacked by neocons.
From RLC:
Some Tea Party-Supported Representatives Vote Against Liberty
A large coalition of Tea Party-supported members of Congress voted for PATRIOT Act reauthorization. They include:
• Kevin McCarthy (R, CA-22) and Eric Cantor, both members of the House GOP Leadership;
• Michele Bachmann (R, MN-06), the leader of the Tea Party Caucus in the U.S. House and a potential 2012 Presidential candidate;
• Mike Pence (R, IN-06) and Paul Ryan (R, WI-01), potential presidential candidates in 2012 or 2016;
• Rick Berg (R, ND-At Large), a prospective candidate for U.S. Senate in North Dakota;
• Diane Black (R, TN-06) and Marsha Blackburn, both Tea Party-supported Congresswomen from Tennessee;
• Larry Bucshon (R, IN-08) and Todd Young (R, IN-09) recently elected Tea Party-supported Congressmen from southern Indiana;
• Steve Chabot (R, OH-01) and Jim Jordan (R, OH-04), both of whom were endorsed by the RLC in 2010;
• Chip Cravaack (R, MN-08) and Jeff Flake (R, AZ-06), who were endorsed by the RLC in 2010;
• Kristi Noem (R, SD-At Large) and Jamie Herrera (R, WA), young “rising star” Representatives elected with support of the Tea Party
• Blake Farenthold (R, TX-27) and John Culberson (R, TX-07), both said to have libertarian leanings;
• Joe Walsh (R, IL-08) and Bob Dold (R, IL-10), newly elected Representatives from Illinois;
• Lou Barletta (R, PA-11), a Tea Party-supported Congressman who was elected last year;
• Dan Benishek (R, MI-01), a Tea Party candidate from northern Michigan who was elected to Bart Stupak’s seat last year;
• Steve Southerland (R, FL-02) and Steven Palazzo (R, MS-04), Tea Party-supported members of Congress; and
• Allen West (R, FL-22) and Tim Scott (R, SC-01), African American members of the House Republican Caucus.

Thank you Anarchist for yet another stinking line of Partisan Fuck~Tardery. We highly appreciate your efforts at editing the truth of the matter in order to post against one of your favorite Strawmen.




Please refer to the following in order that we all understand which individuals from which party happen to be f*cking us. And further feel free to make note of the number of DEMORATS who also voted for the bill, as well as it's extension. Also - since I'm sure to be attacked for daring to point this out - let me make it very clear that I am listing *everyone* who voted for this, regardless of party affiliation.


98 Senators voted for the original Patriot Act: The remaining two are Senator Landrieu (D-LA) who did not vote; and Russ Feingold **(D - WI)**, who voted against.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313



The following are the Senators who voted to extend the Patriot Act in 2006 (Dems in Bold):


Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)




There's an awful lot of "D"s in there, my friend - and all the biggest names: Clinton, Obama, Biden... Very kind of you to completely ignore the fact that "your" party is also participating in large numbers.





{Edit}**Russ Feingold is a Democrat - Corrected per the following post by Thraashman

 

[Kadarin]

Once government has certain power, it tends to want to keep it. The extension failed this time, but it will be passed at some point.

 

[Exterous]

Weren't the Dems bitching and moaning about the Patriot Act to begin with? I know for a fact that certain left leaning posters have been railing on it since it's inception.

To be fair, it is only about extending some Surveillance provisions and not the entire act (from my understanding). Since the ones the article listed require court approval I don't see a big issue with these provisions.

That said - the entire Act needs to be addressed. I would have thought with the fuss that was raised (IIRC from mostly Democrats) that it would be. Apparently, as it is no longer a hot topic, this will not happen

Lesson learned: It doesn't matter if people don't like it. Just weather the initial outpouring of anger and wait for them to forget about it. (IMO this is what is happening with the health care bill as well)

 

[CPA]

T
Lesson learned: It doesn't matter if people don't like it. Just weather the initial outpouring of anger and wait for them to forget about it. (IMO this is what is happening with the health care bill as well)

Truer words have not been spoken.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm sure there will be multiple posts with walls of text with various emoticons, screams of "traitor-in-chief" and "criminal cabal," and various other messages decrying this action any minute, right?

 

[Scotteq]

I'm sure there will be multiple posts with walls of text with various emoticons, screams of "traitor-in-chief" and "criminal cabal," and various other messages decrying this action any minute, right?

I'm cool with it, so long as the rightfully earned abuse is equally shared amongst *all* the guilty... Rather than picking and choosing who gets blamed and who gets a free pass.

 

[thegimp03]

I'm sure there will be multiple posts with walls of text with various emoticons, screams of "traitor-in-chief" and "criminal cabal," and various other messages decrying this action any minute, right?

No, the savior gets a pass.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm cool with it, so long as the rightfully earned abuse is equally shared amongst *all* the guilty... Rather than picking and choosing who gets blamed and who gets a free pass.

I was being sarcastic, of course. When the Republicans did it, people here screamed bloody murder about how the Constitution was being shredded. Now that "their team" supports it, we'll likely hear nothing or at best, just a mild statement of disappointment likely followed by a "But..but...BBBuuuuuuuuuusssssssssshhhhhhhh!"

 

[alkemyst]

Ok, I'm confused. When the repubs put the patriot act in place, all the dems kicked and screamed to repeal it. Now that it is up for expiration, a dem president supports it, and all the dems kick and scream that the repubs blocked the presidential backed extension of it.

Can someone please make up their damn mind?

In the beginning they were afraid of it, now they have discovered how useful its proven to be.

Patriot Act is a blow to our constitution and the premises of our country yet just came to be over night.

 

[thraashman]

98 Senators voted for the original Patriot Act: The remaining two are Senator Landrieu (D-LA) who did not vote; and Russ Feingold (R- WI), who voted against.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

Now, I wonder if the above bold was a mistake or intentional. I'm curious if you're trying to make Republicans look better or if you typoed. Because Russ Feingold was a Democrat. In fact he was one of the most fiscally responsible members of congress and a Democrat that got beaten on the back of the Tea Party that is really just the socially conservative part of the Republican party.

As far as the actual OP. I applaud both the Democrats that were willing to split with the President who is in their party and the Republicans who split with the usual single voice the Republicans are allowed to speak in. And I am extremely disappointed in Obama for wanting to extend this horrible act. Though, every now and then Obama shows me that he is just too far right to fix this country the way it needs to be.