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alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
America's youth enjoys crap like MTV, Forever 21, and bullshit like that. They're poisoned to spend and not think by the media. I would say 70% of our youth are pretty stupid and can't think worth crap. Anyone who isn't able to see through Obama's bullshit from the beginning are either stupid or delusional.

Yeah, yeah, bleat on American society hater, bleat on. You obviously don't have any children. Even my 17 year old is taking an interest in the candidate's and the way the country is headed.

TV journalism it's not about investigation or objectivity but sound bytes - and if there's no story then making something out of nothing. The information on the political blogs and what is on TV are completely different. The media journalists are doing their jobs - i.e. the networks are owned by big corporations who benefit from current Republican economic policies - and it's much easier to report about what someone is wearing than truly examining the cause of our country's current economic and other woes.

Mindless, manipulated spouters of conventional wisdom" equals savviness. And, as has been made perfectly clear, nothing trumps that."They simultaneously and openly fret that they're being unfair to Republicans and too biased towards Obama. McCain complaining, to reporters no less, that the media was focusing too much on Obama last week should be the prime example of this.

McCain had been goading Obama for months, challenging his national security credentials -So he goes to Iraq and other countries. So when it turned out to be a success - McCain and the GOP look like jealous, bitter 7th graders who are no longer at the cool kids lunchtable.

The Paris, Brittny ads-only make it look that much worse for the GOP. The latest McCain/Rove offensive plainly appeals to a traditional racist fear: uppity, aggressive black men are coming for our daughters. The press, being irresponsible, and having peculiar standards for what is newsworthy (if someone, somewhere, said it, it's news) always whips These slanders into an intoxicating brew of malice. Lurid references to starlets, blondes, anorexia, etc., are already stoking resentment, suspicion, and hatred. They rely on these tactics because they bring results. I hear a lamb bleating, They are so out of touch with what is going on, that they still consider Paris/Brittny current "hip" news. It's not Obama's fault that he's a popular, charismatic. He didn't give himself any "Messianic" labels like you people & media toads like Tucker Carlson likes to assert every chance he gets.

Indeed it's very laughable all of the labels: "elitist", "arrogance", all of the tired cliches of past elections are being used against a man who grew up in a single-parent home, lived in various countries, worked his way up (not married into it), had loans to pay off.

While McCain is married to a beer heiress. Has $500 shoes, him and his wife's enormous credit card debts ($750K); not paying their property taxes in California; what she spends on clothes - in other words they are part of the country club set. Both come from upper middle class or higher backgrounds. Yet McCain is a man of the people - a "hero." He's the only war veteran I've seen who calls himself a hero, courageous. Yet he's not "arrogant" & "elitist".

It appears both he and the GOP don't even really know the meanings of the words they use to label Obama - making their intellect & insecurity all the more visible.

I wasn't expecting much out of you Obama haters & the GOP - but I was expecting better than "nanny-nanny-poo-poo".

My apologies for the remarks earlier... I got a bit carried away.

You honestly think the majority of American youth is capable of making decisions about the country? The democratic primary was the biggest popularity contest. They were not talking about policies at all, it was about personality. Clinton obviously has more experience than Obama. Obama ran on the fact that he is someone "above the politics", which he clearly isn't as shown from his recent behavior.

I would much rather have the government do nothing (deadlocked between congress vs. president), and have the states pick up the slack. If the democratic party is so great, they would've ended the Iraq war. They would've beaten Bush in the last 2 elections. The Democratic party doesn't stand for anything, and that's why they have lost two elections in a row to Bush. People don't like freebies for the unproductive members of the society. People see it as "us against them" because the country is so different from cities to rural areas. I want a moderate president who is able to see both sides, understand people's difficulties and make the best decision, and Obama is clearly too far to the left to care what rural people have to say. I have lived in San Francisco, inner city, mind you, and now I reside in College Station, TX, possibly one of the most conservative college towns in the USA. We need compromises, and not just to satisfy the demands of one side.

In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
America's youth enjoys crap like MTV, Forever 21, and bullshit like that. They're poisoned to spend and not think by the media. I would say 70% of our youth are pretty stupid and can't think worth crap. Anyone who isn't able to see through Obama's bullshit from the beginning are either stupid or delusional.

While you're at it why don't you learn how to spell?
While you're at it, why don't you learn how to match subjects and verbs? "America's youth" is a plural noun while "enjoys" is singular. "Anyone" is a singular noun while "are" is plural. Just thought I'd point that out since you're lecturing others on how stupid they are. ...
I typed it up really quick and didn't proofread, sue me! ...
The whistling sound you just heard was the point sailing far, far over your head.

Let me help you out: If you're going to be an asshat and attack someone else for their spelling, or blast "70% of our youth" for being "stupid," you damn well better be sure you're not pointing with a dirty finger. BMW may just have typed his up quickly too, but you didn't give him the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt.

Beat me to it. Muphry's Law at work. Followed by a rationalized shrug. Pathetic.

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Yet McCain is a man of the people - a "hero." He's the only war veteran I've seen who calls himself a hero, courageous.

Wha? I don't recall him ever calling himself a hero or courageous. I think he's been a senator so long that self-deprecation is a second language.

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: jonks


Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?

John McCain is probably the most moderate Republican out there who has worked across the aisles so many times. That's why the right hated him during the primaries. Nothing can convince me to vote for Barack Obama so I won't even bother posting in these threads anymore. I'd rather throw my vote away to a 3rd party.

With that said, I'm still registered in CA and my vote wouldn't count anyway.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: jonks


Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?

John McCain is probably the most moderate Republican out there who has worked across the aisles so many times. That's why the right hated him during the primaries. Nothing can convince me to vote for Barack Obama so I won't even bother posting in these threads anymore. I'd rather throw my vote away to a 3rd party.

With that said, I'm still registered in CA and my vote wouldn't count anyway.

You must be dense enough to not be able to follow the conversation. McCain's moderate views were thrown out when he jumped on Bush's wagon. The two see eye-to-eye on almost everything. Add the fact that Joseph Lieberman is advising him and you have serious, serious problems.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: jonks


Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?

John McCain is probably the most moderate Republican out there who has worked across the aisles so many times. That's why the right hated him during the primaries. Nothing can convince me to vote for Barack Obama so I won't even bother posting in these threads anymore. I'd rather throw my vote away to a 3rd party.

With that said, I'm still registered in CA and my vote wouldn't count anyway.

You must be dense enough to not be able to follow the conversation. McCain's moderate views were thrown out when he jumped on Bush's wagon. The two see eye-to-eye on almost everything. Add the fact that Joseph Lieberman is advising him and you have serious, serious problems.

Maybe he thinks Bush was Moderate:shocked:
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: jonks


Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?

John McCain is probably the most moderate Republican out there who has worked across the aisles so many times. That's why the right hated him during the primaries. Nothing can convince me to vote for Barack Obama so I won't even bother posting in these threads anymore. I'd rather throw my vote away to a 3rd party.

With that said, I'm still registered in CA and my vote wouldn't count anyway.

You must be dense enough to not be able to follow the conversation. McCain's moderate views were thrown out when he jumped on Bush's wagon. The two see eye-to-eye on almost everything. Add the fact that Joseph Lieberman is advising him and you have serious, serious problems.

McCain's views, moderate or conservative, will be kept in check by the huge majorities that democrats are going to win in the house and senate this year... you can't say the same for Obama's liberal views.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: jonks


Originally posted by: alphatarget1
In any case, anyone is better than Bush. I think an Obama presidency with a democratic majority of congress is the worst thing that could happen to this country after 8 years (6 years of unchecked government) of GWB's presidency. I don't support McCain enthusiastically (maybe I would if he were running like how he was back in 2000), but Obama is clearly the more evil one.

So the last 8 years sucked, but electing someone who has nearly identical views to the architect for those policies is the less "evil" option?

John McCain is probably the most moderate Republican out there who has worked across the aisles so many times. That's why the right hated him during the primaries. Nothing can convince me to vote for Barack Obama so I won't even bother posting in these threads anymore. I'd rather throw my vote away to a 3rd party.

With that said, I'm still registered in CA and my vote wouldn't count anyway.

You must be dense enough to not be able to follow the conversation. McCain's moderate views were thrown out when he jumped on Bush's wagon. The two see eye-to-eye on almost everything. Add the fact that Joseph Lieberman is advising him and you have serious, serious problems.

McCain's views, moderate or conservative, will be kept in check by the huge majorities that democrats are going to win in the house and senate this year... you can't say the same for Obama's liberal views.

I don't believe it considering he's taken so much out of Bush's playbook. He supports him on most issues (90%+); He's hired men from Bush's 2004 campaign and they're now running the divisive/partisan Rovian ads (Paris Hilton) that McCain said he wouldn't use; He has Joseph Lieberman as his advisor. What's to think that he won't adopt Bush's stubbornness? The Democrats have had control of the House and Senate for two years now and Bush compromises little.

Do you have faith that he will, all of a sudden, change?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The most incredible thing to me is that people believe there's a ban on offshore drilling.

This issue has been spun in the media pretty well, eh?
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well he said he may back it which also means he may not. I would hope he would look at it and give it consideration, I'd sure hate to have another President like Bush who was so fucking stubborn that he'd refuse to consider a different option even if it might be the right thing to do. I mean look what the fuck happened in Irag because President Shit for Brains was to stubborn to listen to reason.

Exactly.

This whole 'flip flop' garbage seems to be just a distraction from Bush's stupid hard-headed management style that puts ego and partisanship ahead of everything else. I expect my elected politicians to serve the people not themselves or their party. Even if that means having to occasionally admit they were wrong and change their position as necessary to meet the interests of the people. The fact that Obama can do that is a big plus in my book, especially as Bush and the Pubs have made doing so an ugly word.

As for McCain's war record, yes, he is a 'war hero.' But sorry, there are lots of war heroes out there and just being one does make him fit for the Presidency all by itself. And if we have to pick a war hero to be our President, there are better war heroes out there IMO.


Democrats makes the best excuses...... no no it's not flip flopping...
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

I do not think that drilling will do much of anything anytime soon, but if it means a large investment in alternative energies, I am willing to compromise. This country needs a bi-partisan energy plan or we will be in stalemate for years while each side fights it out for their ideology.

Trust me, offshore drilling will play better to the masses than his other plan. :laugh:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/
Republicans to Kick Obama's Tires
August 04, 2008 8:54 AM

Last week in Missouri, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said, "there are things that you can do individually though to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."

Seeking to belittle these remarks - and to portray them, falsely, as Obama's sole energy plan - the RNC will be sending reporters tire gauges engraved with ?Obama?s Energy Plan? today. Michigan Republicans will be passing out tire gauges at his event today.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

I do not think that drilling will do much of anything anytime soon, but if it means a large investment in alternative energies, I am willing to compromise. This country needs a bi-partisan energy plan or we will be in stalemate for years while each side fights it out for their ideology.

Trust me, offshore drilling will play better to the masses than his other plan. :laugh:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/
Republicans to Kick Obama's Tires
August 04, 2008 8:54 AM

Last week in Missouri, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said, "there are things that you can do individually though to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."

Seeking to belittle these remarks - and to portray them, falsely, as Obama's sole energy plan - the RNC will be sending reporters tire gauges engraved with ?Obama?s Energy Plan? today. Michigan Republicans will be passing out tire gauges at his event today.

Uh, what's so funny? Under-inflated tires have more drag and reduce mileage. Since lifting the ban on offshore drilling will not save any oil today and is just as unlikely to drop the price at the pumps I'd say Obama is correct.

 

StageLeft

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You all must understand that Obama is immune to flip flopping. When he reverses a stance, it's called "compromising" or "that's just politics". When will you figure this out?
 

shabby

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So who heard obams speech just now? He said in 10 years we wont be needing foreign oil, for a second there i thought of jfk's speech about sending men to the moon within a decade.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
You all must understand that Obama is immune to flip flopping. When he reverses a stance, it's called "compromising" or "that's just politics". When will you figure this out?

The whole flip flopping thing is retarded, period. I think the fact that Obama seems to be changing his policy to one that is more politically expedient despite the fact that offshore drilling will do little to help gas prices is the problem.

I don't care that he's changing his position, I'm more bothered that he seems to be changing to a position that doesn't do much. The sooner we bury the flip flopping charge for all candidates, the better. As I think someone else mentioned, do we really want candidates that stick to positions no matter how horrible they are, Bush style?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
You all must understand that Obama is immune to flip flopping. When he reverses a stance, it's called "compromising" or "that's just politics". When will you figure this out?
Any chance you could show us specifically how he reversed his stance, using his actual words rather than the twisted caricatures we get from the Obama bashers? Unlike the bashers, I don't hang on Obama's every word, so it's possible I've missed it. So far all I've seen is Obama saying he still thinks expanding off-shore drilling is pointless. He is willing to compromise with the politicians looking for election-year sound bites, however, in order to pass a broader energy plan that includes changes that can actually help. (Devious bastard, offering to work with others to actually make progress. WTF is he thinking? That's no way to run an empire.)

Of course I already pointed this out earlier in the thread, but the bashers ignored it. Reading is hard, and Truth is so much less interesting than dishonest attacks. So, help us out. What exactly did we miss?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well he said he may back it which also means he may not. I would hope he would look at it and give it consideration, I'd sure hate to have another President like Bush who was so fucking stubborn that he'd refuse to consider a different option even if it might be the right thing to do. I mean look what the fuck happened in Irag because President Shit for Brains was to stubborn to listen to reason.

Exactly.

This whole 'flip flop' garbage seems to be just a distraction from Bush's stupid hard-headed management style that puts ego and partisanship ahead of everything else. I expect my elected politicians to serve the people not themselves or their party. Even if that means having to occasionally admit they were wrong and change their position as necessary to meet the interests of the people. The fact that Obama can do that is a big plus in my book, especially as Bush and the Pubs have made doing so an ugly word.

As for McCain's war record, yes, he is a 'war hero.' But sorry, there are lots of war heroes out there and just being one does make him fit for the Presidency all by itself. And if we have to pick a war hero to be our President, there are better war heroes out there IMO.


Democrats makes the best excuses...... no no it's not flip flopping...

And so it wasn't flip-flopping when McCain also did a 180 on the offshore drilling issue just a month ago?

Should I retort in partisan hack like you and say that Republicans have the most conveniently shortest memories? :roll:
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You all must understand that Obama is immune to flip flopping. When he reverses a stance, it's called "compromising" or "that's just politics". When will you figure this out?

The whole flip flopping thing is retarded, period. I think the fact that Obama seems to be changing his policy to one that is more politically expedient despite the fact that offshore drilling will do little to help gas prices is the problem.

I don't care that he's changing his position, I'm more bothered that he seems to be changing to a position that doesn't do much. The sooner we bury the flip flopping charge for all candidates, the better. As I think someone else mentioned, do we really want candidates that stick to positions no matter how horrible they are, Bush style?

You don't understand he has great judgment.

 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well he said he may back it which also means he may not. I would hope he would look at it and give it consideration, I'd sure hate to have another President like Bush who was so fucking stubborn that he'd refuse to consider a different option even if it might be the right thing to do. I mean look what the fuck happened in Irag because President Shit for Brains was to stubborn to listen to reason.

Exactly.

This whole 'flip flop' garbage seems to be just a distraction from Bush's stupid hard-headed management style that puts ego and partisanship ahead of everything else. I expect my elected politicians to serve the people not themselves or their party. Even if that means having to occasionally admit they were wrong and change their position as necessary to meet the interests of the people. The fact that Obama can do that is a big plus in my book, especially as Bush and the Pubs have made doing so an ugly word.

As for McCain's war record, yes, he is a 'war hero.' But sorry, there are lots of war heroes out there and just being one does make him fit for the Presidency all by itself. And if we have to pick a war hero to be our President, there are better war heroes out there IMO.


Democrats makes the best excuses...... no no it's not flip flopping...

And so it wasn't flip-flopping when McCain also did a 180 on the offshore drilling issue just a month ago?

Should I retort in partisan hack like you and say that Republicans have the most conveniently shortest memories? :roll:

They are both hacks, you haven't figured that out?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well he said he may back it which also means he may not. I would hope he would look at it and give it consideration, I'd sure hate to have another President like Bush who was so fucking stubborn that he'd refuse to consider a different option even if it might be the right thing to do. I mean look what the fuck happened in Irag because President Shit for Brains was to stubborn to listen to reason.

Exactly.

This whole 'flip flop' garbage seems to be just a distraction from Bush's stupid hard-headed management style that puts ego and partisanship ahead of everything else. I expect my elected politicians to serve the people not themselves or their party. Even if that means having to occasionally admit they were wrong and change their position as necessary to meet the interests of the people. The fact that Obama can do that is a big plus in my book, especially as Bush and the Pubs have made doing so an ugly word.

As for McCain's war record, yes, he is a 'war hero.' But sorry, there are lots of war heroes out there and just being one does make him fit for the Presidency all by itself. And if we have to pick a war hero to be our President, there are better war heroes out there IMO.


Democrats makes the best excuses...... no no it's not flip flopping...

And so it wasn't flip-flopping when McCain also did a 180 on the offshore drilling issue just a month ago?

Should I retort in partisan hack like you and say that Republicans have the most conveniently shortest memories? :roll:

They are both hacks, you haven't figured that out?

So? What does that have to with you being a hack with a conveniently short memory?

You'll notice that I never called McCain on his flip-flop on this issue until his supporters, like you, starting attacking Obama on his.

So who's making excuses? One could hate both the candidates in this election and you'd still look bad here for worshiping your McMessiah no matter what he does.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_el_pr/obama

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. ? Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage _ I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

I do not think that drilling will do much of anything anytime soon, but if it means a large investment in alternative energies, I am willing to compromise. This country needs a bi-partisan energy plan or we will be in stalemate for years while each side fights it out for their ideology.

this was one of the points that had frustrated me a bit about obama, glad to see that some sort of compromise would be possible on the issue, not that i can see offshore drilling being very important to long term pricing.