Obama Says Economic Stimulus Plan Worked as Intended

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senseamp

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like Obama hater circle-j*** is already in progress.


Not hater, my 1st post was to defend him, what does he know about the economy and creating jobs...... nothing he knows how to talk for an hour and not say anything, he can be witty when prepped, he can play basketball but how can you expect him to fix the economy.

Fix an election maybe, fix an economy.. not so much.

He has a good economic team assembled, by most accounts. I don't expect the president to be a PhD in economics. Obama does have a good head on his shoulders.

A great team, that's why the stimulus has been such a great success(especially if you don't think for yourself).

You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like Obama hater circle-j*** is already in progress.


Not hater, my 1st post was to defend him, what does he know about the economy and creating jobs...... nothing he knows how to talk for an hour and not say anything, he can be witty when prepped, he can play basketball but how can you expect him to fix the economy.

Fix an election maybe, fix an economy.. not so much.

He has a good economic team assembled, by most accounts. I don't expect the president to be a PhD in economics. Obama does have a good head on his shoulders.

A great team, that's why the stimulus has been such a great success(especially if you don't think for yourself).

You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.


It's not my chart, it's the chart the was put together by the all knowing, great & wonderful Obama economic team that not only bought us that wonderful chart but this successful stimulus plan.


 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like Obama hater circle-j*** is already in progress.


Not hater, my 1st post was to defend him, what does he know about the economy and creating jobs...... nothing he knows how to talk for an hour and not say anything, he can be witty when prepped, he can play basketball but how can you expect him to fix the economy.

Fix an election maybe, fix an economy.. not so much.

He has a good economic team assembled, by most accounts. I don't expect the president to be a PhD in economics. Obama does have a good head on his shoulders.

A great team, that's why the stimulus has been such a great success(especially if you don't think for yourself).

You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.


It's not my chart, it's the chart the was put together by the all knowing, great & wonderful Obama economic team that not only bought us that wonderful chart but this successful stimulus plan.

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.
 

her209

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: charrison
His chart. Mission accomplished.

At that point the stimulus was sold as immediate relief. Now it is going to take several years to work.
The koolaid is strong.

Yes, but you already discredited that chart, because it underestimated the unemployment with stimulus plan. So why do you accept it as fact for 9% unemployment without stimulus?
The plan that Congress passed was a watered down version of what Obama wanted to get Republicans on board, since Franken was not there yet. It shifted some of the more immediate stimulus to slower acting tax cuts that Republicans wanted. People like Krugman warned at the time that this would make stimulus less effective and probably require a second round of stimulus, which appears to be coming true.
Also at the time, in a non-partisan report by the CBO, they projected that the unemployment wouldn't reach 9% until 2010. Whoops!
 

Jiggz

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Pretty soon, Obama will be asking the public the same question Bill Clinton did when he got caught with his pants down (literally), "It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is . . ." Forget about government and politics, Semantics is where Dems are really very good at!
 

senseamp

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Jiggz
Pretty soon, Obama will be asking the public the same question Bill Clinton did when he got caught with his pants down (literally), "It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is . . ." Forget about government and politics, Semantics is where Dems are really very good at!

What is the question?
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: senseamp

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.


Even without all the data Obama's stimulus plan works as intended, the man can work miracles. Makes you wonder about healthcare and cap & trade.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: charrison
His chart. Mission accomplished.

At that point the stimulus was sold as immediate relief. Now it is going to take several years to work.
The koolaid is strong.

Yes, but you already discredited that chart, because it underestimated the unemployment with stimulus plan. So why do you accept it as fact for 9% unemployment without stimulus?
The plan that Congress passed was a watered down version of what Obama wanted to get Republicans on board, since Franken was not there yet. It shifted some of the more immediate stimulus to slower acting tax cuts that Republicans wanted. People like Krugman warned at the time that this would make stimulus less effective and probably require a second round of stimulus, which appears to be coming true.
Also at the time, in a non-partisan report by the CBO, they projected that the unemployment wouldn't reach 9% until 2010. Whoops!


It's called the Barry factor.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.


Even without all the data Obama's stimulus plan works as intended, the man can work miracles. Makes you wonder about healthcare and cap & trade.

Is that what passes for a rigorous argument in your circles?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.


Even without all the data Obama's stimulus plan works as intended, the man can work miracles. Makes you wonder about healthcare and cap & trade.

Is that what passes for a rigorous argument in your circles?

What would you like to argue about?

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.


Even without all the data Obama's stimulus plan works as intended, the man can work miracles. Makes you wonder about healthcare and cap & trade.

Is that what passes for a rigorous argument in your circles?

He's a troll, just ignore him until he gets banned.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

You are a complete ignoramus if you really believe that. Most big projects get started years in advance in anticipation of spending down the line. Fluffer is about the only job you can keep, but I doubt your skills are good enough to be a political one.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp

Still doesn't mean we'd have 9% unemployment rate without stimulus. That was just a projection using data available at the time.
Of course you hate Obama enough to not care about being objective.


Even without all the data Obama's stimulus plan works as intended, the man can work miracles. Makes you wonder about healthcare and cap & trade.

Is that what passes for a rigorous argument in your circles?

He's a troll, just ignore him until he gets banned.

Tito, do you need a tissue?

 

BoberFett

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.

So how's that stock market doing?
 

senseamp

Lifer
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Companies employ people years in advance, why would anyone take what that illiterate ignoramus troll BobberFett says at face value?
You think when a company staffs a project that takes months and years to complete, they don't consider what effect stimulus money is going to have on demand on their products? You'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.

So how's that stock market doing?

If you count from the exact date that the stimulus was signed until today it's up about 10%, why?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Companies employ people years in advance, why would anyone take what that illiterate ignoramus troll BobberFett says at face value?
You think when a company staffs a project that takes months and years to complete, they don't consider what effect stimulus money is going to have on demand on their products? You'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that.


So because of the stimulus money we have record low unemployment..... thanks senseamp.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Companies employ people years in advance, why would anyone take what that illiterate ignoramus troll BobberFett says at face value?
You think when a company staffs a project that takes months and years to complete, they don't consider what effect stimulus money is going to have on demand on their products? You'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that.


So because of the stimulus money we have record low unemployment..... thanks senseamp.

Where did I say that? Are you illiterate like BoberFett?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.

So how's that stock market doing?

If you count from the exact date that the stimulus was signed until today it's up about 10%, why?


How about since election day?
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.

So how's that stock market doing?

If you count from the exact date that the stimulus was signed until today it's up about 10%, why?


How about since election day?

How about since birth?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
Companies employ people years in advance, why would anyone take what that illiterate ignoramus troll BobberFett says at face value?
You think when a company staffs a project that takes months and years to complete, they don't consider what effect stimulus money is going to have on demand on their products? You'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that.


So because of the stimulus money we have record low unemployment..... thanks senseamp.

Where did I say that? Are you illiterate like BoberFett?

So with all the stimulus money in the pipeline unemployment is dropping because companies are gearing up?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
You can parade your little chart, but you don't know what it would be like without a stimulus, I can only tell you that companies are factoring it into their future demand expectations, and would be cutting more jobs if there was no expected stimulus money coming online in the next couple years.

Corporations don't employ people years in advance. They'll increase headcount when the stimulus hits, not a moment before. You've never had a job other than political fluffer, have you?

Companies don't employ people years in advance, but stock does go up in response to greater expected revenues in the future. Since stock is the primary way in which companies finance expansion, new hiring, etc, there could most certainly be an increase in hiring coming from greater funds being available to business due to stock price increases, etc.. etc.

So how's that stock market doing?

If you count from the exact date that the stimulus was signed until today it's up about 10%, why?


How about since election day?

How about since birth?


It figures that you see no correlation, it's the liberal in you.