Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Xavier434
That's because you are only focused on manufacturing. How do you explain all of the massive and complicated software projects that get shipped over there?
I don't understand the question. Explain what? Some companies think that outsourcing development saves money. Some don't. Where I live, Chicago, IMHO, US programmers are doing fine. There are benefits to having local developers.
Explain to me why so many software jobs are either going over seas or students from India/China are being brought here to do those jobs? The answer is that it is a combination of tax incentives, wages, and education. I say we get rid of those tax incentives, increase our education, and allow the free market in the world econ take care of the wage issue which it is already doing I might add....just far too slowly to help take care of our current crisis.
I'm a software developer. I know several software developers. We are doing fine. Regardless of education, there are certain benefits to having local employees that cannot be replicated by outsourcing.
I've been on the bad end of outsourcing before. I was outsourced a couple years ago, so w/regards to software outsourcing, I feel qualified to talk about it.
Obviously, in the IT field there are certain jobs that can be outsourced.. those, IMHO, have already been. The developers that are left have mostly found a niche that makes than more valuable than someone in India.
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Xavier434
When it comes to manufacturing, look at a previous post I made. Fund vocational schools for the kids where college is not for them so they obtain a skill that is useful for jobs like manufacturing. That is a hell of a lot better than them just getting a HS degree and that's it if they get a degree at all. Next, give the private businesses tax incentives to hire these students instead of shipping the business overseas. Finally...give it time.
Having the government trying to save jobs that could easy be done else where doesn't promote job creation... only job stagnation. The US needs to get rid of jobs that can be done else where (e.g., stamping metal, manufacturing).
Instead, the US needs to promote business in general. As business grow, the ingenuity of the US business people will ultimate help create jobs that cannot be outsourced.
Yes, by providing this country with both an influence on job creation and education separately and simultaneously. You need both or we will fail in this world economy. Again, your problem is not about education as I have been trying to point out to you. Your problem is that you lack confidence in Obama's ability to influence the other half which is to create jobs. That's all there is to it. The arguments have already been presented as to why both he and his supporters believe that his ideas will work which I will not go through the monstrosity of a task that it is to repeat those arguments to you again. At this point, you either have confidence that his way will work or you don't while keeping in mind that there are many ways to skin the cat.
With that, let me ask you a question. If you had full confidence that Obama's plans to bring back jobs to America will work then would you have an issue with his plans for education? If so then why?
Bring back jobs that moved to China, and SE Asian? Jobs like putting buttons on dolls, or assembling wheels on car toys? No thank you. Those jobs can stay over there where labor is cheap. Here, where labor is expensive, those products would never be competitive in the global economy. Governments trying to bring those jobs back or keep these type of jobs here artificially (via incentives) will only hurt the economy.
If companies are encouraged to flourish, more "good" jobs will be create here. For instance, instead of putting wheels on cars, Americans can be trained to be RN's, Americans can be computer technicians, or retail sales (not prestigious, but better than putting buttons on dolls for a living).
The bottom line is, we could get everyone a degree, but w/o business there would be no jobs. As more and more Americans get laid off, its not because Americans "need more education".. its because the economy is getting hurt and the business are getting hurt. We need to help business any way we can. Penalizing then by dictating what jobs they have to create or taxing them is not the way to go regardless of "education"...