Obama picks up 10 more delegates in Iowa

Dari

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Is this a big hint from Edwards himself or is this the work of the delegates themselves? I have no idea but this is good for Obama.

http://ap.google.com/article/A...Ca99s2muTPJRAD8VE5F880

Obama Expands Delegate Lead Over Clinton

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) ? Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Twelve automatic delegates bring the state's total to 57. Obama has been endorsed by four of those and Clinton three, with the remainder uncommitted.

Counting Iowa's results Saturday, an Associated Press delegate tally showed Obama with 1,610 delegates and Clinton with 1,496.

Obama won the state's precinct caucuses in January with 39 percent of the vote, with Edwards narrowly edging Clinton to finish second. Projections on caucus night showed Obama getting 16 delegates, compared to 15 for Clinton and 14 for Edwards.

"It means the Obama people are very organized," said Iowa Democratic Chairman Scott Brennan. "They have been working very hard for these conventions."

Brennan said turnout was heavy, with more than 13,000 activists showing up at conventions in the state's 99 counties.

"Today, Iowa Democrats again turned out in large numbers to reject the failed Bush-McCain campaign and its policies," said Brennan.

Edwards finished second in the state's leadoff precinct caucuses on Jan. 3, but those caucuses are only the first step in a complicated process of picking the state's 45 pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August.

The next step in that process was Saturday with selection of delegates to congressional district and state conventions. Party officials said the results Saturday marked the election of 2,173 of the 2,500 delegates who will go to those convention.

The epic presidential race between Clinton and Obama has been reshaped since Iowa's caucuses, but is no less intense with every delegate carrying weight.

"Every single one counts and that's why we've been here organizing," said Teresa Vilmain, a field organizer for Clinton.

"We've filled all of our slots," said Gordon Fischer, a former Iowa Democratic chairman who is organizing for Obama.

Rob Tully, a Des Moines lawyer and prominent Edwards backer, sent an e-mail to supporters urging them to remain neutral, but there was clear movement to Obama when the results were tallied.

"Barack Obama stands for a lot of the same things that John Edwards stood for," said Ro Foege, a state legislator from Mount Vernon who switched to the Obama camp.

The county conventions are traditionally sleepy gatherings where party leaders have trouble gathering a quorum to conduct business, largely because the party usually has a nominee by this point. With the race still up for grabs, activists jammed school gymnasiums, auditoriums and meeting halls across the state.

Former Gov. Tom Vilsack, a Clinton backer, spoke to more than 1,200 delegates jammed into a suburban high school gym.

"The reality is we are united on one thing today, we are Democrats, we are proud Democrats and we are going to elect a Democratic president," said Vilsack, who dropped his own bid for the nomination even before the voting began. "Let us pledge that we will unite behind our nominee ? be it he or she."
 

Farang

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I'm very suspicious of this AP article because it says "fragile" lead over Clinton and also it uses to term "automatic delegates," the first time I've seen any major news organization use this Clinton-promoted term. It really makes no sense to use it because we've know them as superdelegates for the entire campaign.

Anyway aside from that, and the reason I think "fragile" isn't the right term to use, is Obama has a 170 pledged delegate lead. A 135 overall delegate lead. Clinton needs to remain even in the elected delegates and then proceed to win over 70% of the superdelegates in order to secure the nomination--quite a task if you consider that her net delegate count since Feb 5 has been negative while Obama has something like +50. She would be lucky to break even in the remaining superdelegates, let alone get that large of a percentage.

This goes back to what I've been saying that the risk of Clinton staying in and damaging the nominee versus the reward for Clinton herself of being the nominee is skewed so much that the only conclusion that can be drawn is Clinton has a "me or nobody" strategy and cares nothing for her party or country, only personal ambition.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Farang
I'm very suspicious of this AP article because it says "fragile" lead over Clinton and also it uses to term "automatic delegates," the first time I've seen any major news organization use this Clinton-promoted term. It really makes no sense to use it because we've know them as superdelegates for the entire campaign.

Anyway aside from that, and the reason I think "fragile" isn't the right term to use, is Obama has a 170 pledged delegate lead. A 135 overall delegate lead. Clinton needs to remain even in the elected delegates and then proceed to win over 70% of the superdelegates in order to secure the nomination--quite a task if you consider that her net delegate count since Feb 5 has been negative while Obama has something like +50. She would be lucky to break even in the remaining superdelegates, let alone get that large of a percentage.

This goes back to what I've been saying that the risk of Clinton staying in and damaging the nominee versus the reward for Clinton herself of being the nominee is skewed so much that the only conclusion that can be drawn is Clinton has a "me or nobody" strategy and cares nothing for her party or country, only personal ambition.

I've been listening to her campaign since March 4 and it seems that while there was an initial high on that night, they've settled into the realization that they can never win this fairly and are being more and more diplomatic in their words. It looks like it's paving the way for a climbdown later on. Of course, Clinton has many faces so I can't be so sure.
 

Farang

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Dari I hope you're right, maybe they see this as a kick while they're down, because as much as they tried to spin March 4 as her turnaround, it was completely neutralized by Wyoming and Mississippi. So now there are six less states and Obama has only increased his lead, as much as they want to spin it I'm not sure internally within the campaign they can be so optimistic. The minister 'scandal' hasn't really stuck as well as they may have hoped (though damaging to be sure), and that was probably their last hope of some kind of radical turnaround unless Obama likes prostitutes.
 

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Originally posted by: Farang
I'm very suspicious of this AP article because it says "fragile" lead over Clinton and also it uses to term "automatic delegates," the first time I've seen any major news organization use this Clinton-promoted term. It really makes no sense to use it because we've know them as superdelegates for the entire campaign.
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Exactly.

My first thoughts too. This is a Clinton supporting writer/paper who's bias is clear.

But since it's only half of Edwards delegates, I'm reluctant to read much into it.

Fern
 

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I think that if the stench of the Clintons doesn't bother you already it's because you're olfactorily dead. So Clinton has nothing to lose by staying in the race and everything to gain. As more and more garbage is piled up both by Republicans and the Clinton campaign, the stink will drive support away from Obama and give her more chance to win. Both she and the Republicans want her as the nominee. The race will be between extreme partisans who thrive is sewer air.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think that if the stench of the Clintons doesn't bother you already it's because you're olfactorily dead. So Clinton has nothing to lose by staying in the race and everything to gain. As more and more garbage is piled up both by Republicans and the Clinton campaign, the stink will drive support away from Obama and give her more chance to win. Both she and the Republicans want her as the nominee. The race will be between extreme partisans who thrive is sewer air.

A race to the bottom?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think that if the stench of the Clintons doesn't bother you already it's because you're olfactorily dead. So Clinton has nothing to lose by staying in the race and everything to gain. As more and more garbage is piled up both by Republicans and the Clinton campaign, the stink will drive support away from Obama and give her more chance to win. Both she and the Republicans want her as the nominee. The race will be between extreme partisans who thrive is sewer air.

A race to the bottom?

Obama is a Muslim, Osama Obama Hussein, the dreamer and pied piper of black victimization and anti-American preachers.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Is this a big hint from Edwards himself or is this the work of the delegates themselves? I have no idea but this is good for Obama.

Probably not
The Edwards campaign had asked their delegates, in the days leading up to Saturday's Democratic convention, to remain with the former senator despite the fact he isn?t in the race.

Polk County resident George Symeonidis arrived at Valley High School knowing he would continue with his support of Edwards. He likes the tenacity of Edwards and his support of the middle class.

"Our loyalties are to him," Symeonidis said. "(I am waiting for) John Edwards will tell us where to go."

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Dari

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Dari
Is this a big hint from Edwards himself or is this the work of the delegates themselves? I have no idea but this is good for Obama.

Probably not
The Edwards campaign had asked their delegates, in the days leading up to Saturday's Democratic convention, to remain with the former senator despite the fact he isn?t in the race.

Polk County resident George Symeonidis arrived at Valley High School knowing he would continue with his support of Edwards. He likes the tenacity of Edwards and his support of the middle class.

"Our loyalties are to him," Symeonidis said. "(I am waiting for) John Edwards will tell us where to go."

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Noted.