Obama opts out of public campaign finance system

ProfJohn

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Once again Obama is showing that he is just another politician and that all his talk about 'change' is just empty rhetoric aimed to gain votes.

Add to this him now claiming that he won't talk to Iran without preconditions.
And we have Obama talking about cutting corporate taxes too.

When Obama said he was the candidate for 'change' did he mean that he was the candidate who would 'change' what he stood for as the campaign went along?
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WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday he'll bypass the federal public financing system in the general election, abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.

Obama, who set records raising money in the primary election, will forgo more than $84 million that would have been available to him in the general election. He would be the first candidate to do so since Congress passed 1970s post-Watergate campaign finance laws. Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee in waiting, has taken steps to accept the public funds in the general election.

Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign. Obama has vastly outraised McCain, however, and would likely retain that advantage if McCain accepts the public money.

"It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections," Obama told supporters in a video message Thursday. "But the public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system."

Shortly after revealing the decision, Obama's campaign announced his first television ad of the general election campaign ? a 60-second commercial to air in 18 states. The ad, called "Country I Love," is a biographical portrait that aims to reintroduce Obama to voters by stressing his mother's family's roots.

Obama has shattered presidential campaign fundraising records, raking in more than $265 million as of the end of April. Of that, nearly $10 million was for the general election. McCain, on the other hand had raised nearly $115 million by the end of May,

But Obama's clear financial advantage over McCain is offset in part by the resources of the Republican National Committee, which has far more money in the bank than the Democratic National Committee. Both national parties can spend money on behalf of the presidential candidates.

The McCain campaign, in a statement, said Obama "has revealed himself to be just another typical politician who will do and say whatever is most expedient for Barack Obama.

"Barack Obama is now the first presidential candidate since Watergate to run a campaign entirely on private funds. This decision will have far-reaching and extraordinary consequences that will weaken and undermine the public financing system."

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

"And we've already seen that he's not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Obama campaign lawyer Robert Bauer said he had met with McCain lawyers to discuss terms for both campaigns operating in the public financing system, but he said they could not agree on how to limit spending by the campaigns and outside groups heading into the late summer party conventions.

He said McCain has had an advantage because he has been running unopposed since he secured the Republican nomination early this year. "The important thing is that John McCain has been running a privately financed campaign for the general election since February," Bauer said. "The problem from our perspective is that the horse is long gone from the barn here."

Despite Obama's claim that outside groups allied with McCain will spend millions of dollars against him, few Republican-leaning groups have weighed into the presidential contest so far. In fact, Obama allies such as MoveOn.org are the ones have been spending money on advertising against McCain.

McCain and Obama both declined public financing in the primary contests, thus avoiding the spending limits that come attached to the money. McCain had initially applied for the money, however, and has been in a dispute with the Federal Election Commission over whether he needs commission approval to decline the primary election funds. The FEC insists that he does, but has not had a quorum to act because four of its six seats have been vacant pending Senate confirmation of presidential nominees. McCain lawyers have disputed the need for FEC approval.

Fred Wertheimer, president of the campaign finance watchdog group Democracy 21, said he was "disappointed" in Obama's decision. "We do not agree with Senator Obama's rationale for opting out of the system," he said. "Senator Obama knew the circumstances surrounding the presidential general election when he made his public pledge to use the system."

The public finance system is paid for with the $3 contributions that taxpayers can make to the presidential fund in their tax returns.

Last year, both Obama and McCain indicated in separate commitments that they would participate in the public system for the general election, as long as both candidates agreed.

In response to a questionnaire in November from the Midwest Democracy Network, which is made up of nonpartisan government oversight groups, Obama said: "Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

While presidential candidates have rejected public financing in primaries, no major party candidate has bypassed the system in the general election.

McCain has already aired two general election ads in at least 11 states, spending about $2 million a week over the past three weeks.

Obama's new ad is his first and expands the field of potential battleground states to include states that have reliably voted for Republican presidential candidates in the past several elections, including Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Montana, and North Dakota.

"I was raised by a single mom and my grandparents," Obama says in the ad. "We didn't have much money, but they taught me values straight from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. I'll never forget those values, and if I have the honor of taking the oath of office as President, it will be with a deep and abiding faith in the country I love."
 

ayabe

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Obama would surrender a huge advantage to McCain if he were to do otherwise.

McCain will be outraised like 2 to 1 by Obamarama.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
This issue really doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not that big of a deal.

You can't run a campaign of change and judgment and expect issues that call these two into question to not be brought up.
 

jpeyton

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Let's see...

Option 1: Take $85 million of public funds to last 4.5 months until the election.

Option 2: Raise another $200 million from the largest grass-roots donor network in campaign history.

Obama made the smart, and correct, choice. The people want to put him in office, and are willing to open their wallets to see it happen. Who is he to refuse?

Besides, the fund-raising advantage he'll have over McCain will make sure Johnny gets slaughtered like he deserves in November.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Xavier434
This issue really doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not that big of a deal.

You can't run a campaign of change and judgment and expect issues that call these two into question to not be brought up.

Brought up? Sure. Actually cared about beyond those who already hate him? I doubt it. It's just not important enough. His supporters will not question him over this nonsense.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Xavier434
This issue really doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not that big of a deal.

You can't run a campaign of change and judgment and expect issues that call these two into question to not be brought up.

seeing as how if Obama would have stuck to his initial promise of only using public finances then he would have lost out on 10s of millions of contributions.

I think by changing his course he made a smart decision. IMHO that shows good judgement.

:thumbsup: Obama.


OR

he could have stuck to his original promise and lost that $$...then I would be calling him stupid for not being politically smart.
 

Red Dawn

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So because of this I should support McCain who's policies I'm against? I don't think so. After 7+ years of these policies that have drug our country down this doesn't really matter much in the big picture.
 

Vic

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How dare the 'socialist' candidate not take public campaign funds? :|


:laugh:
 

lupi

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Hey look, it's the political machine in action. Thanks for the change ma!
 

Stoneburner

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So, Obama opts out based on an argument that he in essence has created his own public finance system. This argument has merit.

So, McCain BREAKS CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS HE WROTE.

That's okay with you profjohn? [clint]shut your face [/eastwood]
 

Ldir

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But Obama's clear financial advantage over McCain is offset in part by the resources of the Republican National Committee, which has far more money in the bank than the Democratic National Committee. Both national parties can spend money on behalf of the presidential candidates.

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

"And we've already seen that he's not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Obama campaign lawyer Robert Bauer said he had met with McCain lawyers to discuss terms for both campaigns operating in the public financing system, but he said they could not agree on how to limit spending by the campaigns and outside groups heading into the late summer party conventions.

In response to a questionnaire in November from the Midwest Democracy Network, which is made up of nonpartisan government oversight groups, Obama said: "Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

It looks like Obama kept his promise. He tried to get an agreement with McCain to use public financing. McCain refused to limit 427 attack ads and other outside groups. Rather than agree to a one sided fight Obama chose to use everything he could. That was a smart decision.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: lupi
Hey look, it's the political machine in action. Thanks for the change ma!

A Democratic Presidential candidate not rolling over like a pussy is the biggest political change I've seen in my lifetime.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: lupi
Hey look, it's the political machine in action. Thanks for the change ma!

A Democratic Presidential candidate not rolling over like a pussy is the biggest political change I've seen in my lifetime.

lmao
 

Moonbeam

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Yes, time for change, time for the Democrats to bury the Republicans in money instead of the usual other way round.
 

Moonbeam

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Don't forget that Obama is a Muslim and Muslims go to any extreme to destroy evil. Unlike Christians who are commanded to forgive, Muslims are commanded to destroy evil without mercy or remorse and by any means right up to the point when evil surrenders. Only then does compassion come into play. This is the only logical and rational way to fight evil. And if you don't know what evil is, just look at what Bush has done to our country.
 

GTKeeper

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Are you suggesting that McCain has to rely on public funds because he cannot raise more on his own?

Seems to me that Obama is the better fund raiser, dont you think?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Xavier434
This issue really doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not that big of a deal.

You can't run a campaign of change and judgment and expect issues that call these two into question to not be brought up.

seeing as how if Obama would have stuck to his initial promise of only using public finances then he would have lost out on 10s of millions of contributions.

I think by changing his course he made a smart decision. IMHO that shows good judgement.

:thumbsup: Obama.


OR

he could have stuck to his original promise and lost that $$...then I would be calling him stupid for not being politically smart.

At least you admit he already broke a promise. I thought politicians were supposed to wait until they got elected before breaking campaign promises. Guess he really is the candidate of change :)
 

nageov3t

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I am shocked, shocked I tell you that a politician sided with the position that resulted in more cash on his side.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: jonks
At least you admit he already broke a promise. I thought politicians were supposed to wait until they got elected before breaking campaign promises. Guess he really is the candidate of change :)

He did not break his promise. He promised to try to reach an agreement. McCain refused to limit 427 attack ads and other outside groups. Obama tried. McCain refused.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: jonks
At least you admit he already broke a promise. I thought politicians were supposed to wait until they got elected before breaking campaign promises. Guess he really is the candidate of change :)

He did not break his promise. He promised to try to reach an agreement. McCain refused to limit 427 attack ads and other outside groups. Obama tried. McCain refused.

what can either candidate do about independent ads that wouldn't be a violation of free speech? I haven't exactly seen Obama tell moveon.org to stop running ads against McCain.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: jonks
At least you admit he already broke a promise. I thought politicians were supposed to wait until they got elected before breaking campaign promises. Guess he really is the candidate of change :)

He did not break his promise. He promised to try to reach an agreement. McCain refused to limit 427 attack ads and other outside groups. Obama tried. McCain refused.

what can either candidate do about independent ads that wouldn't be a violation of free speech? I haven't exactly seen Obama tell moveon.org to stop running ads against McCain.

Did the bastard agree to surrender?