Obama On NASA And Isreal In 2008

[Freshgeardude]

I thought that Clinton was the biggest liar ever to become President. That's what the right kept shouting all eight years that Clinton was in office. Or is "Liar! Liar!" just what the right says when "pinko commie socialist" gets stale?

And Clinton had plenty of scandals, and almost no one didn't believe they were true. Yet, if it had been legal, he'd definitely have won a third term as President.

oh please, stop trying to divert from the main topic here.

 

[Sclamoz]

You are not listening again.

Israel/US have long-standing agreements that cannot be sabotaged because Obama has a personal tiff with Zionism.

Israel is the only country that has compromised its own security to maintain a relationship with the USA.

Your criticism is predicated on a false premise - that Israel is just like every other ally, and it must do whatever the US demands of it even if it conflicts with HISTORY and the ISRAELI PEOPLE.

I hope Obama has a problem with Zionism, its one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

There is nothing false about that, Israel isn't nearly valuable as our other allies. Its only in your head that we are obligated to serve them. No Israel doesn't have to do what we say, but it they don't work with us we don't work with them. There is no such thing as a true ally, countries work together because they have to or because it benefits them both. As soon as that's no longer the case they are no longer allies.

What? Israel is under no obligation to somehow force Israelis in the WB to stop having children.

The Palestinians, on the other hand - are obligated, both morally and legally - to cease the violence, as they agreed in Oslo 1, 2, Madrid, etc..etc..


Maybe you should read my post and actual respond to it?

You said, "just because Israel is overpopulated doesn't mean it can build on other peoples land."

I said the Palestinians have no government, no capital, and no country. They have no sovereign rights.

Get it? Just because the world doesn't recognize East Jerusalem as Israel doesn't mean it isn't.

East Jerusalem is more Israel than anything else.

But it has never been part of some historic Palestine. Even in the original partition Jerusalem was supposed to be an international city.

Regardless, Israeli leadership since 1967 has openly stated Jerusalem is like Tel Aviv. It will never be divided, ever. It's status is pending final negotiations, but right now Israel under no obligation to somehow end construction in Jerusalem, especially when Arabs and Jews cannot find homes.

You are aware 1/3 of the planned settlements, or 17,000 homes, are earmarked for Arab residents, no?

Why are they separating where the arabs have to live? I like how you make segregation try to sound nice.

Even if East Jerusalem isn't Palestinian that doesn't make it Israel's, and legally they have no right to build there. Its pretty straightforward. Would you argue that Nazi Germany was right to kill and take the homes/property of jews in WWII they didn't have sovereign governments?

No one said Israelis have to stop breeding but its their own problem to deal with no their neighbors. And the only reason Jerusalem is more Israeli is because its been annexed and settled!

You're a moron.

There was no "Israeli violence" stipulation in any peace process. Israel is a sovereign nation and has a right to self-defense. The Palestinians never disputed that.

Israel agreed to a negotiated peace which it largely lived up to, which is why the Palestinians have their own government, schools, hospitals, police, etc...etc...

Like I said, no Israelis live in the major Arab cities, no Israeli soldiers are marching in Gaza, ETC.

Tell me, what have the Palestinians done in return except make more bullshit demands?

I never said it was part of the requirements(kind of strange huh?), just pointing out that its a daily fact of life. I wonder who is responsible for more violence, Israeli settlers or Palestinian militants?. Its ridiculous for you to demand they stop the violence when Israel refuses do to the same.

You have said repeatedly said that Palestinians don't have a government and rights, are you now saying they do? Which is it?

I never said Obama is a Muslim. I said he has rewarded the Palestinians with 100,000,000 in MY TAX DOLLARS for doing absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, he is punishing Israel for being Israel, and gifting boatloads of weapons to Islamic dictatorships that hate our guts and sponsor foreign fighters in Afghanistan.


Israel should be an ally of the USA - which it is.

The USA should be an ally of Israel, which right now it is not.

Israel has needs, troll. The money isn't siphoned away to pay for mansions in Paris and London or support elementary schools named after child suicide bombers.

Israel earns every penny. If I had it my way all the money we waste on the Muslim world should be diverted to Israel.

"He" hasn't done shit. The weapons sales are US policy which is something you are to thick to get. You're trying to play this like Obama is an antisemitic muslim when that has nothing to do with whats going on. If that was the case why did "Obama" just sell Israel a bunch of C-130's? I don't here shit about that from you. What about when President Ford blocked military sales to Israel, was it because he secretly hated Israel to?

"Punishing Israel for being Israel". I like that.

 

[Noobtastic]

I hope Obama has a problem with Zionism, its one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Then you truly are an offensive individual.

Zionism is the national liberal of Jews and right to self-determination.


After 2,000 years of holocaust, genocides, pogroms, I think it is one of the most smartest and morally defend-able ideas in modern history.



I can't think of another people more deserving of a state, if solely to guarantee their survival. This doesn't change the fact that Obama's personal agenda cannot conflict with America's interests.

There is nothing false about that, Israel isn't nearly valuable as our other allies. Its only in your head that we are obligated to serve them. No Israel doesn't have to do what we say, but it they don't work with us we don't work with them. There is no such thing as a true ally, countries work together because they have to or because it benefits them both. As soon as that's no longer the case they are no longer allies.

Again, stupid.

You really need to read up on the Cold War. Israel is America's #1 ally, period.

Period.

End of story.

Why are they separating where the arabs have to live? I like how you make segregation try to sound nice.

Why don't you respond to my fucking post?

Arabs live anywhere they want in Israel. Arabs work in the settlements, Arabs go to school in the settlements, Arabs live in Tel Aviv, etc.

Tell me, why are the Jews segregated from the Arab world? You do know the majority of Israel's Jewish population are decedents of those expelled from Arab/Muslim nations?

No, of course not - cause you're an idiot.

Even if East Jerusalem isn't Palestinian that doesn't make it Israel's, and legally they have no right to build there. Its pretty straightforward. Would you argue that Nazi Germany was right to kill and take the homes/property of jews in WWII they didn't have sovereign governments?

Yes it does. Every nation state is allowed to determine its capital.

Israel says Jerusalem is its capital. Who are we to tell them no? Drawing parallels to Nazis and Jews is morally offensive and humiliating. You are trivializing the holocaust and that is borderline holocaust denial.

No one said Israelis have to stop breeding but its their own problem to deal with no their neighbors. And the only reason Jerusalem is more Israeli is because its been annexed and settled!

Jerusalem has always had a Jewish majority, idiot.

Jerusalem was never sovereign under Jordan or some bogus Palestinian entity. The UN is controlled by the Arabs so they can criminalize anything Israel does.

Notice the UN said nothing when Jordan occupied Jerusalem for 20 years, and denied Jewish right to live there?

I never said it was part of the requirements(kind of strange huh?), just pointing out that its a daily fact of life. I wonder who is responsible for more violence, Israeli settlers or Palestinian militants?. Its ridiculous for you to demand they stop the violence when Israel refuses do to the same.

Yeah you did. You said Israel is under obligation based on its agreement with the Palestinians to prevent Israelis from living in their capital.

This is wrong.

You dubiously compare Israel's right to self-defense to terrorism.

Tell me troll, what do think of our performance in Iraq and Afghanistan compared to Israel's?

We are Nazis compared to the Jews.

And yet, you expect Israel to behave in a way we do not. It treats its enemies with more respect than any nation on history.

If I was PM of Israel, the first thing I'd do is treat Gaza like America treats Iraq and treat Lebanon like America treats Afghanistan.

Israel should adopt Obama's military policy.

No more double standard.

You have said repeatedly said that Palestinians don't have a government and rights, are you now saying they do? Which is it?

Palestinians don't have a sovereign government and have resisted any suggestion of independence.

In other words, they cannot procur arms, they cannot declare a capital, they shouldn't have representation in the UN (even though they do), etc.

Palestinians are represented by the bastardized PLO (now known as the Palestinian Authority), but they don't demand the same rights and privileges of sovereign states.

If they did, they'd lose their victimhood status and the billions in free money that comes with it.

"He" hasn't done shit. The weapons sales are US policy which is something you are to thick to get. You're trying to play this like Obama is an antisemitic muslim when that has nothing to do with whats going on. If that was the case why did "Obama" just sell Israel a bunch of C-130's? I don't here shit about that from you. What about when President Ford blocked military sales to Israel, was it because he secretly hated Israel to?

I never said he was an antisemitic muslim, though it is likely he harbors a certain dislike for Jews because he was spoon-fed dirty antisemitism for 20 years from his Jew-loving pastor.

America agreed to sell Israel weapons (long-standing agreements), Obama posits himself as a supporter of Israel.

Then, when he is president, he circumvents congress and invents new provisions that makes him the gate-keeper. So all those agreements are now meaningless and Israel is left to die, while the Muslim states - who hate are guts - are being sold billions.

Obama might not be a muslim, but he is more of a muslim than any President in our history.

Even his own supporters have confessed the man's approach towards Israel has become disturbingly personalized, far from his campaign portrayal.

Regardless, Obama lied about his position towards Israel and lied about his position toward Iran and lied about his position toward America.

He is a liar.

"Punishing Israel for being Israel". I like that.

I'm sure you do. Allah ackbar.