sunzt
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Ah, the "don't get sick" model. That has been working so well.
It's the oldest one so it has withstood the test of time....
Ah, the "don't get sick" model. That has been working so well.
The argument is your screwed either way. Cut anything and it will cost more?
Or we could cut in general and say goodbye to socialized medicine.
It would save trillions because that is what it is going to cost us in the years to come.
That's some brilliant thinking right there!
Guess what costs have gone up higher than the rate of inflation? Guess what the number one cause of bankruptcy was before the housing crash?
Can you think of any reasons why having a healthy population might be a benefit to the country as well as to the people themselves?
Can you name some industrialized nations that don't have a universal healthcare system and who have a healthier population than us?
Your solution is simple for a reason, its stupid and hasn't worked.
And it is still the largest program, with just fraud and improper claims accounting for $48 billion in waste a year and just because it has the lowest doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot.
That's some brilliant thinking right there!
Guess what costs have gone up higher than the rate of inflation? Guess what the number one cause of bankruptcy was before the housing crash?
Can you think of any reasons why having a healthy population might be a benefit to the country as well as to the people themselves?
Can you name some industrialized nations that don't have a universal healthcare system and who have a healthier population than us?
Your solution is simple for a reason, its stupid and hasn't worked.
Originally Posted by sunzt View Post
Great! So lets not have seniors get any affordable medical treatment.
Yes.
No it isn't. I was just pointing out how your position was logically incoherent. You complain about fraud and abuse and then advocate for policies that would likely increase them. It was nonsensical..
It only saves us trillions if we are simply not giving health care to people anymore. If we want private insurance to pick up the slack it will actually cost us more, as private insurance is less efficient.
If your argument is simply not to give health care to the elderly anymore, there's not much to say other than "no.". That's not what we want to do as a society, so that's that.
until its your loved one right?
stfu troll.
Let me guess. Health care costs?
To think, if it wasn't a socialized risk and it was private, there wouldn't be a drain on the rest of us in terms of cost. Maybe more people would be conscious of their own health. Also culture has a lot more of impact on healthiness of a population than healthcare systems in general? The biggest problem in the USA? Obesity. Why? Sedentary lifestyle coupled with abundance of sugar, fat, etc ladened foods.
we send more than that to russia, china, Israel, egypt and god knows who else in one single month.
Indeed. Also, only here about an hour and already 26 posts. Sounds familiar.Uh what?
You sound like another troll I know who also can't put a coherent argument together.
No. Your position is to not cut anything because more costs would be incurred so there lies the problem. You can't cut a program or somehow it will cause problems. So you have growing costs and can't do nothing about it.
Exactly. We shoudn't have socialized medicine at all. As a society, families should take care of their own. Ask yourself this, how was medicine handled before the 60's before medicare was implemented?
It is privatized you moron, when you retire is when it could be conceived as socialized.
No. Your position is to not cut anything because more costs would be incurred so there lies the problem. You can't cut a program or somehow it will cause problems. So you have growing costs and can't do nothing about it.
Exactly. We shoudn't have socialized medicine at all. As a society, families should take care of their own. Ask yourself this, how was medicine handled before the 60's before medicare was implemented?
Lets not go overboard now. An overall healthier population really has nothing to do with how we do healthcare here in the US. We could have UHC for Everyone and the US overall would still continue on its completely unhealthy and lazy lifestyle. It's not like people don't already know that doing nothing and eating/drinking like sh1t is bad for them. They know. They just don't care.
Chuck
So it is still a socialized risk you moron. Just because you reach retirement doesn't mean it isn't one.
An overall healthier population definitely has something to do with how we do health care. While you are right that there are other factors as well, it's just not accurate to say our system has nothing to do with it.
Except I didn't argue that anywhere. Where did you get such a foolish idea in your head?
Life expectancy was a full decade shorter in 1960 than it is today. You might want to return to such a state, but the rest of us don't. So if you're asking why we don't return to a much worse system, the reason is that it's a much worse system.
And it is still the largest program, with just fraud and improper claims accounting for $48 billion in waste a year and just because it has the lowest doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot.
How is it socialized risk? If I go bankrupt from medical bills does the government bail me out?
Because you take the position of keeping government where it is today which is to assume that you don't want anything to change. The usual defense of this is "You can't cut or it will cause more problems than it saves."
Pharmaceutical innovation had nothing to do with that? Vaccinations? Surgical techniques? Medical devices? How about the shift of the population from highly manual labor intensive jobs to other less intensive jobs due to technology? None of those factors had a part to play in increase in life expectancy?
The reason why we should return to such a system where socialized risk and costs are gone is basically solvency of the government because of reduction of costs.
I have said goodbye to loved ones. We as a family didn't use medicare.
are you insane?