Obama - no to Keystone pipeline

[Genx87]

Let's not forget where the oil is actually coming from.

Everything about it - from the clear cutting on forest, to large scale excavation, to the mass usage of water, to the toxic tailings lakes, and ultimately transporting it out of Alberta reeks of desperation. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I see it pretty absurd to destroy an area the size of Florida and then build a 2000+ mile pipeline to Texas.

And that doesn't even include the eminent domain or American water issues. We can do better than this.

That is Canada's decision to extract the oil from their soil. If they dont build it through us I believe it will be built to the west coast in Canada. It will get built, just Obama decided Americans didnt deserve to reap any benefit from it.

 

[spidey07]

That is Canada's decision to extract the oil from their soil. If they dont build it through us I believe it will be built to the west coast in Canada. It will get built, just Obama decided Americans didnt deserve to reap any benefit from it.

Exactly. He single handedly stopped this project that is win/win for America. If it's good for America, you can bet Obama will be against it or try to stop it.

It simply isn't in his world view that business WILL find a way in spite of him.

 

[michal1980]

Let's not forget where the oil is actually coming from.

Everything about it - from the clear cutting on forest, to large scale excavation, to the mass usage of water, to the toxic tailings lakes, and ultimately transporting it out of Alberta reeks of desperation. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I see it pretty absurd to destroy an area the size of Florida and then build a 2000+ mile pipeline to Texas.

And that doesn't even include the eminent domain or American water issues. We can do better than this.

That oil is already in the ground. So is that ground contiminated? You can spin this as a recorvey effort.

More importantly. Canada will dig this oil up, with or without the pipeline. If there is no pipeline in the US, they might build more refiners in Canada, a pipe line to the ocean, or haul the oil via train.

That oil is coming out of the ground no mater what obama does. Yet tree hugging eco terrorists like you, would rather the USA see ZERO jobs out of it so that you can FEEL like you did something.

 

[sandorski]

In anticipation of this, alternate routes have been investigated for awhile now.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Exactly. He single handedly stopped this project that is win/win for America. If it's good for America, you can bet Obama will be against it or try to stop it.

It simply isn't in his world view that business WILL find a way in spite of him.

It's not win/win for America. You need to stand up against Canada instead of bowing down to them. Grow a backbone! Let the Canadians deal with this themselves. They don't deserve any American support.

 

[Genx87]

That oil is already in the ground. So is that ground contiminated? You can spin this as a recorvey effort.

More importantly. Canada will dig this oil up, with or without the pipeline. If there is no pipeline in the US, they might build more refiners in Canada, a pipe line to the ocean, or haul the oil via train.

That oil is coming out of the ground no mater what obama does. Yet tree hugging eco terrorists like you, would rather the USA see ZERO jobs out of it so that you can FEEL like you did something.

 

[xBiffx]

This guy is a never ending string of fail. Obama said the following regarding the issue.

"However many jobs might be generated by a Keystone pipeline, they're going to be a lot fewer than the jobs that are created by extending the payroll tax cut and extending unemployment insurance."

So rather than putting people back to work, somehow managing their unemployment benefits is better for job creation.

/FACEPALM

Edit: Here is the link

 

[DirthNader]

Zerohedge nailed it in the first line:

"Who needs actual jobs when you can have crony solar companies which go tits up in under 2 years at a cost to taxpayers of over half a bill."

 

[spidey07]

This guy is a never ending string of fail. Obama said the following regarding the issue.



So rather than putting people back to work, somehow managing their unemployment benefits is better for job creation.

/FACEPALM

Did he really say that? I can't believe he's that stupid. Well I can, but that means it's worse than I thought.

 

[xBiffx]

Did he really say that? I can't believe he's that stupid. Well I can, but that means it's worse than I thought.

Sorry, forgot the link. I edited it in.

Yeah he is that dumb.

 

[tydas]

biff, biff, biff...

 

[Throckmorton]

That oil is already in the ground. So is that ground contiminated? You can spin this as a recorvey effort.

More importantly. Canada will dig this oil up, with or without the pipeline. If there is no pipeline in the US, they might build more refiners in Canada, a pipe line to the ocean, or haul the oil via train.

That oil is coming out of the ground no mater what obama does. Yet tree hugging eco terrorists like you, would rather the USA see ZERO jobs out of it so that you can FEEL like you did something.

You fail at geology. Oil isn't at the surface contaminating the biosphere...


So we should let the oil companies build a pipeline to create more markets for CANADIAN oil, even if it means taking peoples' land through imminent domain?

 

[Wreckem]

Wrong. The pipeline was supposed to go over the Ogallala aquifer, which supplies drinking water to tens of thousands, maybe even millions of people.

If the pipeline leaked, or worse had an explosion, the oil could contaminate a major source of safe drinking water.

http://www.kfdm.com/articles/pipeline-45689-texas-canada.html

Millions of people rely on that aquifer. It stretches from Nebraska to the Texas pan handle.

Also, the vast majority of the cotton industry relies heavily on that aquifer.

T-Boone Pickens was at one point trying to buy up land for his wind farms. It wasn't so much for wind farms as it was for buying up water rights to the Ogallala aquifer and then pump that water to the the DFW Metroplex.

 

[Ausm]

He's a fucking idiot for that move. The only good thing out of his choice is it'll cost him votes in the election.

LMAO

 

[Wreckem]

That oil is already in the ground. So is that ground contiminated? You can spin this as a recorvey effort.

More importantly. Canada will dig this oil up, with or without the pipeline. If there is no pipeline in the US, they might build more refiners in Canada, a pipe line to the ocean, or haul the oil via train.

That oil is coming out of the ground no mater what obama does. Yet tree hugging eco terrorists like you, would rather the USA see ZERO jobs out of it so that you can FEEL like you did something.

Keystone already goes around the aquifer and other wet lands. Why can they not route Keystone XL the same way?

Simple the corporation behind it wants to cut its own costs at the expense of the environment. The corporation is free to re apply as soon as it re-routes the pipeline.

 

[Wreckem]

Exactly. He single handedly stopped this project that is win/win for America. If it's good for America, you can bet Obama will be against it or try to stop it.

It simply isn't in his world view that business WILL find a way in spite of him.

He hasn't single handidly stopped anything.

The company was stupid to plan the route of the pipeline where they did. They KNEW they would need something passed to allow it. The current pipeline was already routed away. What made them think they could try and cut costs and go over sensitive areas?

All they have to do is re-route the pipeline.

The reason they are trying to route it through the US is because Canada is unlikely to allow them to build such a pipeline in Canada. The pipelines sole goal is to diversify the Canadian oil industry and get their oil on the world market, tax free. How exactly does that help the US?

As for whoever said they'd build refineries in Canada. Haha, good luck. Canada has much more stringent regulations. Furthermore, its doubtful the Canadian oil companies would expend the capital to build a refinery let alone enough refineries to refine what they produce. As for if they were able to pipe it to their west coast(a huge if), most refineries that can handle the tar sand are located in the US.

 

[Darwin333]

Good for Obama. He should be opposing any further exploitation of the Canadian tar sands, one of the world's environmental disasters. Hopefully this is only the first step of a comprehensive offensive.

So you think the Canadians are going to just stop oil production in the tar sands? They already have a plan to build a pipeline that is completely within their borders to their east coast and export it from there. How do you suppose that Obama stop them from doing that? Maybe he could put tariffs on the oil they already sell us?

 

[Darwin333]

Wrong. The pipeline was supposed to go over the Ogallala aquifer, which supplies drinking water to tens of thousands, maybe even millions of people.

If the pipeline leaked, or worse had an explosion, the oil could contaminate a major source of safe drinking water.

http://www.kfdm.com/articles/pipeline-45689-texas-canada.html

Why isn't he demanding that the existing pipelines that go over the very same aquifer and are decades old be shut down and removed?

 

[Wreckem]

Darwin, the Canadian Govt has currently has halted the plans for the two proposed pipelines in Canada while the research both environmental impact and public opinion.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I bet China is laughing all over themselves.

I dont blame them, since some of that oil will find its way there.

 

[Fern]

Let's not forget where the oil is actually coming from.

Everything about it - from the clear cutting on forest, to large scale excavation, to the mass usage of water, to the toxic tailings lakes, and ultimately transporting it out of Alberta reeks of desperation. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I see it pretty absurd to destroy an area the size of Florida and then build a 2000+ mile pipeline to Texas.

And that doesn't even include the eminent domain or American water issues. We can do better than this.

I can understand peoples' opposition to the tar sands thing. But, that's Canada's decision.

More to the point, our refusal to allow the pipeline will have NO effect on the tar sands operation. None. Canada has already said they'll just pipe it across to their West Coast.

I.e., general objections to tar sands operations are irrelevant in discussing the pipeline.

Fern

 

[Darwin333]

Some of those pipelines (dont know exactly which ones you are referring to) were built 1, before we understood how large those aquifers are and their exact location; 2, were built during times of war and were a matter of national security.

Then there is the capacity of the older pipelines compared to the newer pipelines.

There are at least 3 major crude carrying pipelines (between 8"-24")and a bunch of refined product pipelines running right over the aquifer and they are decades old, if that is the sole reason to object to the keystone XL pipeline it stands to reason that shutting down the existing pipelines should be even more of a priority.

I already know why they won't even talk about doing that, do you?

 

[PokerGuy]

The stupidity of this administration reaches new heights. They issued a statement that they rejected the proposed pipeline not because of the merits of the project itself, but because of the deadline imposed by the GOP in congress.

So even the feeble arguments by some reaching for straws trying to find valid reasons for rejecting the pipeline have been shown to be BS -- by the administration itself.

The truth is that they wanted to delay their decision to destroy US jobs until after the election, and thankfully the GOP forced their hand so they have to show their true colors now.

 

[Darwin333]

Darwin, the Canadian Govt has currently has halted the plans for the two proposed pipelines in Canada while the research both environmental impact and public opinion.

They don't want to build the pipeline to their west coast, it is their backup plan in case we deny the Keystone XL pipeline.

You don't honestly think that they aren't going to find a way to export that oil do you? If you do, I have a bridge for sale and I'll sell it to you real cheap.

 

[Demo24]

First of all they can submit a new permit with an alternate route, doesn't kill the whole project just the route.

Secondly they attempted to short cut the review process and don't even have a 2nd route planned, although they should have.

Third, Republicans also share blame shoving this decision time frame into an earlier bill it had no place being in and with no time for a full and proper review, including environment review. It's a 1700 mile pipeline, there is a lot to be reviewed on that route and 60 days is nothing to do that proper.



I love this right mindset of "Hey, we are going to potentially/probably destroy the environment, but it's ok we 'supposedly' made 10 jobs (and banked a few mill from being paid off too, but hush hush on that)"..../s