Obama - No Nuclear Power For Weapon Seekers Like Iran

finglobes

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Obama said no country should be allowed to work on nuclear weapons under cover of nuclear energy (like Iran is doing). Obama said US needs strong alliances to keep rogue countries from heading nuclear and puring an arms race in ME. Now Obama is intentionally spurning allied and helping a rogue nation weaponize - and provoking the nuclear arms race he knows will come. This 2007 speech is the international security version of Obama's "I can't do that" pertaining to immigration. Obama has many faces. He most tells people what they want to hear but acts contrary them by design.





Obama in 2007:

As starting points, the world must prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and work to eliminate North Korea's nuclear weapons program. If America does not lead, these two nations could trigger regional arms races that could accelerate nuclear proliferation on a global scale and create dangerous nuclear flashpoints. In pursuit of this goal, we must never take the military option off the table. But our first line of offense here must be sustained, direct and aggressive diplomacy. For North Korea, that means ensuring the full implementation of the recent agreement. For Iran, it means getting the UN Security Council, Europe, and the Gulf States to join with us in ratcheting up the economic pressure.

We must also dissuade other countries from joining the nuclear club. Just the other day, it was reported that nearly a dozen countries in and around the Middle East -including Syria and Saudi Arabia - are interested in pursuing nuclear power.

Countries should NOT be able to build a weapons program under the auspices of developing peaceful nuclear power. That's why we should create an international fuel bank to back up commercial fuel supplies so there's an assured supply and no more excuses for nations like Iran to build their own enrichment plants.

Finally, if we want the world to deemphasize the role of nuclear weapons, the United States and Russia must lead by example. President Bush once said, "The United States should remove as many weapons as possible from high-alert, hair-trigger status - another unnecessary vestige of Cold War confrontation." ...


The danger of nuclear proliferation reminds us of how critical global cooperation will be in the 21st century. That's why the fourth way America must lead is to rebuild and construct the alliances and partnerships necessary to meet common challenges and confront common threats....


In order to advance our national security and our common security, we must call on the full arsenal of American power and ingenuity. To constrain rogue nations, we must use effective diplomacy and muscular alliances. To penetrate terrorist networks, we need a nimble intelligence community - with strong leadership that forces agencies to share information, and invests in the tools, technologies and human intelligence that can get the job done. To maintain our influence in the world economy, we need to get our fiscal house in order. And to weaken the hand of hostile dictators, we must free ourselves from our oil addiction. ..

America must lead again is by marshalling a global effort to meet a threat that rises above all others in urgency - securing, destroying, and stopping the spread of weapons of mass destruction. There are still about 50 tons of highly enriched uranium - some of it poorly secured - at civilian nuclear facilities in over forty countries around the world. In the former Soviet Union, there are still about 15,000 to 16,000 nuclear weapons and stockpiles of uranium and plutonium capable of making another 40,000 weapons scattered across 11 time zones. And people have already been caught trying to smuggle nuclear materials to sell them on the black market. We can do something about this. As President, I will lead a global effort to secure all nuclear weapons and material at vulnerable sites within four years - the most effective way to prevent terrorists from acquiring a bomb...


It's time, as well, for a President who can build a consensus at home for this ambitious but necessary course. For in the end, no foreign policy can succeed unless the American people understand it and feel a stake in its success - and unless they trust that their government hears their more immediate concerns as well. ..But if the next President can restore the American people's trust - if they know that he or she is acting with their best interests at heart, with prudence and wisdom and some measure of humility - then I believe the American people will be ready to see America lead again..."


"I still believe that America is the last, best hope of Earth. We just have to show the world why this is so. This President may occupy the White House, but for the last six years the position of leader of the free the world has remained open. And it's time to fill that role once more. I believe that the single most important job of any President is to protect the American people. ..


"Remarks of Senator Barack Obama to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs"

http://www.cfr.org/elections/remarks-senator-barack-obama-chicago-council-global-affairs/p13172
 

ivwshane

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You know what else has a lot of faces? Your multiple personalities;)


Seriously, you need help. I think your very first post here on anandtech is not only fitting but also a reminder of how far you are removed from reality.

That is interesting - I would add that along with the desire to feel important is the desire to never be wrong. Paranoid types seem to get more fixated to what is wrong outside them as they lose track of what is going wrong inside them.


Carnegie had this quote in his book;


"Few of the criminals in Sing Sing regard themselves as bad men. They are just as human as you and I. So they rationalize, they explain. They can tell you why they had to crack a safe or be quick on the trigger finger. Most of them attempt by a form of reasoning, fallacious or logical, to justify their anti-social acts even to themselves, consequently stoutly maintaining that they should never have been imprisoned at all."
 

Zorkorist

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He passed socialized medicine.
He passed net neutrality.

He'll probably pass this.

-John
 

boomerang

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His first term:
"Fool me once, shame on you;"

His second term:
"Fool me twice, shame on me."

This nation has created a lot of fools.
 

Jhhnn

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So where is this international nuclear fuel bank & why wouldn't international sanctions prevent nations from accessing it?

Iran will not give up her independent fuel production through any means short of war. That's obvious. They've also shown complete cooperation with the IAEA in monitoring such facilities. If weapons grade materials are not produced, weapons cannot exist.

The answer isn't in raving & fearmongering at all, but rather in expanding that cooperation & verification to cover all aspects of nuclear power through a comprehensive agreement.

Iran already has the ability to break out into weapons production should they feel the need. Their hardened facilities insure that. That's reality. Deal with it.
 

finglobes

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He passed socialized medicine.
He passed net neutrality.

He'll probably pass this.

-John


Obama doesn't "pass" things - he uses gray areas to "flood the zone" between legality and illegality.

Obama doesn't seek a "treaty" - that would need Senate approval. No he looks for "memos of agreement" - which he makes in secret -tells Congress to its face "butt out" (but Iran gets to vote in in its situation).

Obama did the same sort of thing with immigration charade. He pretended to sign an "executive order" but that would have brought very specific legal framework with it. No he issued a "memorandum" for "executive action" - basically I vague outline of what he wants to do and then he acts on it all as if it were law that he's creating along with the bogus committees he sets up to "advise" (tell him what he expects to hear).

Dems really need to back off this fake because hes no Dem. He's a rogue kook who is ok with leaving Dem party as a dumpster fire.
 

Jhhnn

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Obama doesn't "pass" things - he uses gray areas to "flood the zone" between legality and illegality.

Obama doesn't seek a "treaty" - that would need Senate approval. No he looks for "memos of agreement" - which he makes in secret -tells Congress to its face "butt out" (but Iran gets to vote in in its situation).

Obama did the same sort of thing with immigration charade. He pretended to sign an "executive order" but that would have brought very specific legal framework with it. No he issued a "memorandum" for "executive action" - basically I vague outline of what he wants to do and then he acts on it all as if it were law that he's creating along with the bogus committees he sets up to "advise" (tell him what he expects to hear).

Dems really need to back off this fake because hes no Dem. He's a rogue kook who is ok with leaving Dem party as a dumpster fire.

What a team! Zork & Finglobes as one! Spinning faster than a uranium centrifuge.

Finglobes is so wrong that he's right in a strange sort of way. If successful, negotiations will create an agreement between the IAEA & Iran subject to ratification by the security council & likely the whole body. That's the 5+1, anyway, so nobody will veto it.

It's not a treaty with the US at all. It's modification to the existing NPT agreement between the UN & Iran. That was never subject to Senate approval, either.
 

finglobes

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"It's not a treaty with the US at all. It's modification to the existing NPT agreement between the UN & Iran. That was never subject to Senate approval, either."

Its worth mentioning Obama also gives UN the back of his hand


"In April 2013, the Americans and their P5+1 partners met with Iranian negotiators in Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they offered to relieve the sanctions regime in exchange for the elimination of Iran’s stockpiles of uranium that had already been enriched to 20 percent. This was concession number one, bowing to the longstanding Iranian demand for economic compensation immediately, before a final agreement could be reached. Even more important was concession number two, which permitted the Iranians to continue enriching uranium to levels of 5 percent—this, despite the fact that six United Nations Security Council resolutions had ordered Iran to cease all enrichment and reprocessing activities."

Obama's Secret Iran Strategy
http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy/
 

tracerbullet

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Obama said no country should be allowed to work on nuclear weapons under cover of nuclear energy (like Iran is doing).

If you have proof of this, you might want to share it, because you'd be famous for uncovering their plot.
 

Jhhnn

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"It's not a treaty with the US at all. It's modification to the existing NPT agreement between the UN & Iran. That was never subject to Senate approval, either."

Its worth mentioning Obama also gives UN the back of his hand


"In April 2013, the Americans and their P5+1 partners met with Iranian negotiators in Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they offered to relieve the sanctions regime in exchange for the elimination of Iran’s stockpiles of uranium that had already been enriched to 20 percent. This was concession number one, bowing to the longstanding Iranian demand for economic compensation immediately, before a final agreement could be reached. Even more important was concession number two, which permitted the Iranians to continue enriching uranium to levels of 5 percent—this, despite the fact that six United Nations Security Council resolutions had ordered Iran to cease all enrichment and reprocessing activities."

Obama's Secret Iran Strategy
http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy/

Such a dolt. The P5+1 are the permanent members of the security council, plus Germany, plus the US.

They all agreed on the same concessions or we wouldn't be here.

Maybe if you brought Benghazi into it you'd be able to develop a more robust conspiracy theory.
 

finglobes

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"Such a dolt. The P5+1 are the permanent members of the security council, plus Germany, plus the US.

They all agreed on the same concessions or we wouldn't be here."


You obviously follow issues very superficially . The P5+1 is "an ad-hoc body with no clear mission statement, no legal legitimacy and certainly no authority to take over for the UN organ (Security Council) . Members of the P5+1 like Russia and China would like Iran to ramp up. Germany is a top trading partner who sells Iran centrifuges. Its the US who should be driving the block of Iran. Instead they make deals without even telling P5 clump what they are doing. Its all a dumpster fire. Obama is doing nothing in accord with the promises he ran on. He's violating them all. Enemies of US think they are being tricked because they can't believe a US president is advancing their agendas while throwing US under the bus


"Talks help explain why the US and Iran were able to strike a deal relatively quickly after Rouhani's election. But it also helps explain the irritation of the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, at the previous round of negotiations a fortnight ago when he was presented with an agreement that the US and Iran had worked out independently."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/secret-usa-iran-talks-nuclear-deal
 

Jhhnn

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"Such a dolt. The P5+1 are the permanent members of the security council, plus Germany, plus the US.

They all agreed on the same concessions or we wouldn't be here."


You obviously follow issues very superficially . The P5+1 is "an ad-hoc body with no clear mission statement, no legal legitimacy and certainly no authority to take over for the UN organ (Security Council) . Members of the P5+1 like Russia and China would like Iran to ramp up. Germany is a top trading partner who sells Iran centrifuges. Its the US who should be driving the block of Iran. Instead they make deals without even telling P5 clump what they are doing. Its all a dumpster fire. Obama is doing nothing in accord with the promises he ran on. He's violating them all. Enemies of US think they are being tricked because they can't believe a US president is advancing their agendas while throwing US under the bus


"Talks help explain why the US and Iran were able to strike a deal relatively quickly after Rouhani's election. But it also helps explain the irritation of the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, at the previous round of negotiations a fortnight ago when he was presented with an agreement that the US and Iran had worked out independently."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/secret-usa-iran-talks-nuclear-deal

You don't even read your own links-

Britain's foreign secretary, William Hague, the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, and their German, Russian and Chinese counterparts, Guido Westerwelle, Sergey Lavrov and Wang Yi, also took part in a six-nation group mandated by the UN security council to handle the nuclear negotiations since 2006.

Mandated by the UN Security Council... funny that.
 

ivwshane

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It's official..Jhhnn is here to rally for Obama no matter what.

I guess that makes you along with finglobe his rival. Or is your anti obama tripe different than his pro Obama position? (There is a difference but you'll never figure it out;)).
 

Jhhnn

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It's official..Jhhnn is here to rally for Obama no matter what.

Nah. I'm just pro- fact, anti- raving propaganda.

Finglobes attempted to deny legitimacy to the current negotiations w/ Iran when they are, in fact, quite legitimate.

I believe it's possible and desirable to forge a verifiable agreement that allows Iran her nuclear power ambitions w/ appropriate safeguards against production of weapons grade material.

That's the heart of the matter. The rest is rubbish.
 

sportage

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He passed socialized medicine.

-John

Whoa.
Really? Socialized medicine?
Do you even know what socialized medicine is?
Obamacare is no wheres near socialized medicine, sadly...
Obamacare is simply the same-o private healthcare for profit insurance "pooled" into insurance exchanges.
No government healthcare company has been or were created.
The names are the same.
Wellmark, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Aetna, Humana, Coventry, Kaiser, Cigna and a lot more every day insurance companies we all know well.
And many of us probably went bankrupt over.
All companies part of the healthcare for profit insurance industry.

Thank of it as a pop machine.
You want pop so you find a pop machine and there you can chose from coke, pepsi, root beer, sprite, diet, etc etc.
We could have a separate machine for cans of pepsi, and a machine only for coke, and one for diet coke, and another for only diet pepsi.
Doesn't it make things a little more efficient to have several choices out of one machine?
Well, that is all Obamacare did.
Pool several companies together so the person hungry for healthcare could find the best personal taste in healthcare. And without an employer involved.

Those damn socialized pop machines....

Now back to our regularly scheduled program, "nukes for Bibi".