Obama news conference: Releasing documents "The right thing to do"

[theflyingpig]

It certainly was the right thing to do. Obama is quickly gaining the trust of the public. Now that this is out in the open, the US will be free to torture in secret. This has always been the plan. The public will never know what goes on in the shadows. This is how things should have been from the start. Bush was too foolish to do things this way, so I am glad that Obama is changing that.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It certainly was the right thing to do. Obama is quickly gaining the trust of the public. Now that this is out in the open, the US will be free to torture in secret. This has always been the plan. The public will never know what goes on in the shadows. This is how things should have been from the start. Bush was too foolish to do things this way, so I am glad that Obama is changing that.

You're pathetic. That's not what Obama is about. But then again, you are secretly a communist traitor to the country.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It certainly was the right thing to do. Obama is quickly gaining the trust of the public. Now that this is out in the open, the US will be free to torture in secret. This has always been the plan. The public will never know what goes on in the shadows. This is how things should have been from the start. Bush was too foolish to do things this way, so I am glad that Obama is changing that.

You're pathetic. That's not what Obama is about. But then again, you are secretly a communist traitor to the country.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Win the hearts and minds of the people, and you can do anything and they will defend you until their last breath.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It certainly was the right thing to do. Obama is quickly gaining the trust of the public. Now that this is out in the open, the US will be free to torture in secret. This has always been the plan. The public will never know what goes on in the shadows. This is how things should have been from the start. Bush was too foolish to do things this way, so I am glad that Obama is changing that.

You're pathetic. That's not what Obama is about. But then again, you are secretly a communist traitor to the country.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Win the hearts and minds of the people, and you can do anything and they will defend you until their last breath.

Pointing out that you are making bizarre lies up is called 'telling the truth'. You appear unfamiliar with it.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pointing out that you are making bizarre lies up is called 'telling the truth'. You appear unfamiliar with it.

Then continue to tell the truth craig. That is what I, and Obama want you to do. People like you will keep the secrets secret by telling the truth.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It certainly was the right thing to do. Obama is quickly gaining the trust of the public. Now that this is out in the open, the US will be free to torture in secret. This has always been the plan. The public will never know what goes on in the shadows. This is how things should have been from the start. Bush was too foolish to do things this way, so I am glad that Obama is changing that.

WoW!!! Your such an idiotic moron if you actually believe the stuff you are regurgitating!!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pointing out that you are making bizarre lies up is called 'telling the truth'. You appear unfamiliar with it.

Then continue to tell the truth craig. That is what I, and Obama want you to do. People like you will keep the secrets secret by telling the truth.

You are clearly ignorant in your pit of paranoia of how these things are done.

If Obama wanted to do as you say, which he doesn't, there's other language for him to use to distance himself from Bush while keeping his options open.

The way he has done it has exposed him pretty strongly to any evidence coming out that if he were 'secretly approving torture', it'd have big political consequences for him.

And it's all too easy for that evidence to come out. You think the Bush administration wanted the massive amounts of info that have come out about them to come out?

All it took was some guy who wanted to expose the truth, some guy who wants to expose Obama and hurt him politically, some guy at Abu Ghraib who takes photos like before.

The had secret CIA prisons in other, totalitarian countries. That wasn't supposed to be public knowledge.

I'm sure there's a lot that doesn't come out - which we should all remember. But he'd be reckless to say what he's said and secretly torture.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Craig234

You are clearly ignorant in your pit of paranoia of how these things are done.

If Obama wanted to do as you say, which he doesn't, there's other language for him to use to distance himself from Bush while keeping his options open.

The way he has done it has exposed him pretty strongly to any evidence coming out that if he were 'secretly approving torture', it'd have big political consequences for him.

And it's all too easy for that evidence to come out. You think the Bush administration wanted the massive amounts of info that have come out about them to come out?

All it took was some guy who wanted to expose the truth, some guy who wants to expose Obama and hurt him politically, some guy at Abu Ghraib who takes photos like before.

The had secret CIA prisons in other, totalitarian countries. That wasn't supposed to be public knowledge.

I'm sure there's a lot that doesn't come out - which we should all remember. But he'd be reckless to say what he's said and secretly torture.

Obama doesn't have to "secretly approve" of torture for it to happen. He would be a fool to do so. He is smart enough to have distanced himself from these things and has plans in place for if/when such information does come out. This is just common sense.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Baaaaaaaa

Indeed.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Craig234

You are clearly ignorant in your pit of paranoia of how these things are done.

If Obama wanted to do as you say, which he doesn't, there's other language for him to use to distance himself from Bush while keeping his options open.

The way he has done it has exposed him pretty strongly to any evidence coming out that if he were 'secretly approving torture', it'd have big political consequences for him.

And it's all too easy for that evidence to come out. You think the Bush administration wanted the massive amounts of info that have come out about them to come out?

All it took was some guy who wanted to expose the truth, some guy who wants to expose Obama and hurt him politically, some guy at Abu Ghraib who takes photos like before.

The had secret CIA prisons in other, totalitarian countries. That wasn't supposed to be public knowledge.

I'm sure there's a lot that doesn't come out - which we should all remember. But he'd be reckless to say what he's said and secretly torture.

Obama doesn't have to "secretly approve" of torture for it to happen. He would be a fool to do so. He is smart enough to have distanced himself from these things and has plans in place for if/when such information does come out. This is just common sense.

So, it has "always been the plan" for Obama to deny we torture publically, but for torture to continue in secret, but Obama has not secretly approved it.

So, Obama has no idea that against his direct orders it's going on, but you have informed us. You might want to call 212-456-1414 and warn him about these lawbreakers.

Let's be clear, you are saying Obama has no idea it's going on, right? Otheriwse, he did 'secretly approve it'. Why am I typing anything to you?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Craig234

You are clearly ignorant in your pit of paranoia of how these things are done.

If Obama wanted to do as you say, which he doesn't, there's other language for him to use to distance himself from Bush while keeping his options open.

The way he has done it has exposed him pretty strongly to any evidence coming out that if he were 'secretly approving torture', it'd have big political consequences for him.

And it's all too easy for that evidence to come out. You think the Bush administration wanted the massive amounts of info that have come out about them to come out?

All it took was some guy who wanted to expose the truth, some guy who wants to expose Obama and hurt him politically, some guy at Abu Ghraib who takes photos like before.

The had secret CIA prisons in other, totalitarian countries. That wasn't supposed to be public knowledge.

I'm sure there's a lot that doesn't come out - which we should all remember. But he'd be reckless to say what he's said and secretly torture.

You do have a point! I am ignorant and paranoid. I really have no clue how these things are done. Forgive me because I am a Republican!

??????

 

[JSt0rm]

well this thread turned nutty. republicans are insane lmao.

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: Craig234



It all gets pretty simple when you view people as 'rage machines' and the main issue is how to keep them in rage (not rational) and giving them the targets for the rage.

Demagogues understand this well, and it's why demagogues are both seen as dangerous - and popular with their followers. Talk radio is just a great delivery means for it.

I had a real problem with the democrats pulling the rage/fear card the last several years and I have a real problem with using that tactic now in the republican party. They wont gain anyhting. I wish I could talk to some of these leaders and shake them awake lol.

Real ideas well explained are what win people over long term. Getting support through rage and fear is only a short term bump at best and very unhealthy for whatever party uses it long term. Its obvious that part of being a politician is being an actor, someone that can make a sale, and thats just dissappointing.

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
well this thread turned nutty. republicans are insane lmao.

ah ok

1 forum poster = all republicans

you are right about there being nut jobs. Forums tend to be lightning rods for nutty people wouldnt you say?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: jman19


So, is that what he said, or is your title just inflammatory?

Jump to Obama's defense much? Obviously thats what I got initially. Waiting for someone to upload a video to confirm.

No, not jumping to his defense, I just find it odd you would say something that would be a pretty hot topic in the title and then admit in the OP that you don't even know if that is true.