Obama knew about VA issues in 2008

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boomerang

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Boomerang, Michal1980, Pokerguy first 3 posts. Who knew.

Edit:Good news for you, after several attempts, it stuck to the wall this time.
Just think how boring it would be in here without Obama. Hours and hours of disdain, name calling, obfuscation, and rooting for one's own team are just one click away! And we just keep coming back for more.

Of course if there was a Republican in the White House the left would be more interested in the potential for altering the gravitational pull that Jupiter has on Earth and the mating habits of the Snail Darter. Politics would be a back burner issue hardly worthy of concern. Right?
 

PokerGuy

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Well it makes slightly more sense and is at least as relevant as your "Dear Leader" analogy. More provably accurate too. Hence why I made it. If you don't want someone to make a dumb analogy, maybe you shouldn't make a far dumber one first.

You must have failed horribly taking those tests when they ask "A is to B as B is to....". ;) First class ticket on the fail boat for you.
 

PokerGuy

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There are no crazed/loyal followers that I know of.

You must not have seen the stories of teachers having their classes chanting obummer's name, that was downright creepy in that NK sort of way. There are lots of true believer followers -- more so than any other politician -- people who think he's the savior, people who take any negative commentary on him as a personal affront. I can't remember that being the case with bush, clinton etc.
 

thraashman

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You must have failed horribly taking those tests when they ask "A is to B as B is to....". ;) First class ticket on the fail boat for you.

I give up. You're too dumb to teach. This is why I'll never be a teacher, I wouldn't have the patience necessary for the special needs kids like yourself. Continue making your dumb analogy and getting all defensive when it's thrown in your face. I should have expected this after all, if you understood facts and accuracy you wouldn't be a conservative.
 

DominionSeraph

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Absolutely, it's been a mess for a long time, long before the current idiot took office. Still, he's the current potus, and he's the one feigning indignance about it now that he's 'finding out' about it. If he was that indignant about it, he should have done something about it. Either he just chose not to, or he's incompetent (or both).

It's cute that you don't know that if he had tried to do anything without it being clearly out in the open that something needed to be done, Faux News (and thus you) would be talking about "Dictator Obama, the 'community organizer' who thinks he's the King of Health Care is meddling in things without Congressional approval." "Why is he fixing what ain't broke? He must be trying to divert from BENGHAZI!" "IT'S A SOCIALIST TAKEOVER!"
 

thraashman

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It's cute that you don't know that if he had tried to do anything without it being clearly out in the open that something needed to be done, Faux News (and thus you) would be talking about "Dictator Obama, the 'community organizer' who thinks he's the King of Health Care is meddling in things without Congressional approval." "Why is he fixing what ain't broke? He must be trying to divert from BENGHAZI!" "IT'S A SOCIALIST TAKEOVER!"

Nice impersonation. One of the more spot on impressions of a modern day conservative I've seen.
 

Zaap

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What's funny is that this is something that people should be genuinely angry at Obama about. The main problem is that you clowns have been so desperate for something to call a scandal for years, that nobody takes you seriously anymore because everything else you've tried to label a scandal has been bullshit.
LOL! The spin-master in action!

So news isn't just reporting what happens... it's whether or not some third party to the news is "taken seriously" enough to bother reporting something or not.

LMFAO!

You're a real piece of work.
 

DominionSeraph

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You know what I think? I think Obama is just looking for an excuse -- ANY excuse -- to raise taxes. Aren't we taxed enough?? And you KNOW the money is never going to make it to the veterans -- it's the Democrats, after all. It's all going to go for abortions and to buy votes from minorities. But they'll probably take land from some rancher to build a useless hospital somewhere and declare victory. WON'T YOU SHEEPLE WAKE UP TO WHAT IS HAPPENING?
 

DominionSeraph

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Is it a coincidence that this came out at the same time the Democrats agreed to put the full FIVE people on the Benghazi committee? I think not. Even the Democrats in Congress know that someone in the White House was responsible. We need to remember to tell our Congressmen to keep at it and hold Obama responsible for the murders in Benghazi. DON'T LET HIM DIVERT!
 

MongGrel

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Looney tunes. All the liberals and Democrats that I know aren't particularly happy with Obama. There are no crazed/loyal followers that I know of.
Just because people don't like Obama doesn't mean that they're automatically going to support the Republicans and/or Wingnuts. A lot of Obama's and the Democrats' support comes purely by default, ie today's "conservatives" are mostly fear - based ranting crazies so what choice do the sane people have?
+1
 

MongGrel

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So we should refer to people like you, michal1980, and boomerang as what, racists? Since a racist is a person with an irrational hatred based on race. Or perhaps homophobes, the irrational fear of sexual preference? Same rationale as you're using. Calling you a racist doesn't indicate you specifically hate Obama because of his race but refers to your irrational hatred that is identical to those who hate based on race.

Personally I think the term fucktarded fits best, but that hasn't seemed to catch on yet.

Perhaps this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1CBftRW0F8
 

Fern

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It's much more than just a warning in 2008. This problem has been repeatedly brought to Obama's attention and despite assertions by him nothing has been fixed:

Running for the White House, candidate Obama promised action. Soon after he took over the VA, Shinseki did take action, ordering that henceforth veterans would not have to wait more than 14 days for a medical appointment.

But the bureaucracy at the VA, second only to the Pentagon in size, is notoriously sluggish. In 2010 -- four years ago! -- the deputy undersecretary of the VA wrote a nine-page memo saying that in order to cover up their continued delays, various parts of the VA system were engaged in "gaming strategies" -- in effect, lying.

The General Accounting Office and VA inspector generals wrote reports saying the practice was widespread. One would have thought that would have set off alarm bells at both the VA and the White House. Where was the anger then? There were some internal investigations, but they never went anywhere and there was little apparent sense of urgency.

Six months ago, CNN turned loose its own investigative reporters and aired stories about excessive waits in several facilities across the country. Again, the VA and the White House had little to say.

Then a month ago, CNN (along with the Arizona Republic) broke the story from the Phoenix VA that managers there have allegedly been cooking their books to provide false assurances. Veterans awaiting care were dying. The administration seemed to brush the story aside and Shinseki refused repeated requests from CNN for an interview.

Recent days have been a political nightmare for the VA. Hauled before Congress to testify, Shinseki testified that evidence suggested only "isolated incidents" in the system. That same day CNN was reporting that there were allegations of misdeeds in at least six centers across the country. The next day the VA itself said there were 10 centers under investigation. By this week, the official number had mushroomed to 26. And weeks after the fact, the VA has rescinded a bonus it gave earlier this year to the boss of that Phoenix operation.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/22/opinion/gergen-veterans-obama-shinseki/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Maybe the VA needs less bureaucracy and more doctors.

Fern
 

DominionSeraph

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Maybe the VA needs less bureaucracy and more doctors.

What? You just want to hand money to liberal doctors with no accountability to make sure they're treating Americans and not ILLEGALS?
Hmph. Reducing requirements is just a handout to Hispanics. Democrats buying votes again.
 
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boomerang

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I think, to put it simply, what he have in charge of the nation is a culture based in laziness along with a mantra of "if it feels good, do it". The Choom Gang President has put a bunch of "hang loose" devotees in positions and the culture is "don't worry, be happy". If it's OK for Obama, it's OK for the them too. So he's just replaced the Choom Gang of his youth with a different Choom Gang now that's he's attained the highest position in the land. Some problems facing our nation are just too hard to fix. So, we'll go through the motions, put a small fire out from time to time and watch the clock for quitting time so we can whisk off to some far away golf course and whack a few around.

The VA healthcare system is single payer. It's the most sought after system of health care for the Choom Gang and all the faithful followers. It's potentially a huge problem to be too critical of it when you're trying to segue the entire nation over to that system of health care. So, you've got to say something while really saying nothing and lord knows that politician's are experts at that. We've already heard some meaningless words and there will be more.

The Teflon is worn down severely. Nothing can hurt Obama at this point (except maybe the highly sought after "legacy") but the damage the Choom Gang is doing to its party is not something that will be easily recovered from. But let us not fool ourselves because new progbots are spilling out of school systems in record numbers. The battle is far from lost.

It all boils down to politics as usual and the people be damned! Oh, and fuck the veterans too and especially those that fought under the eight years of Bush!

The VA budget was doubled and the problem did not fix itself. Damn! MOAR MONEY!!!!
 

DominionSeraph

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I think, to put it simply, what he have in charge of the nation is a culture based in laziness along with a mantra of "if it feels good, do it". The Choom Gang President has put a bunch of "hang loose" devotees in positions and the culture is "don't worry, be happy".

What is this liberal bullshit that Obama is lazy and harmless? Obama is a radical Muslim who has been working nonstop to take away our freedom! He's been illegally trying to force through appointees nonstop and you think it's to accomplish nothing?
Oh, to live in your liberal bubble. You don't even know the radical socialist agenda the Republicans have been saving you from by voting "no" to everything. If only they continue to vote "no," we can have the same VA in 2020 that we have now and had in 2008!

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And stop trying to divert from Benghazi.
 
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loganone

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It seems that the VAs problems are mostly the results of inadequate funding. Basically not enough medical professionals staffed to meet the number of patients.

Are you ready - right now - to pay more in taxes so that this can be remedied?

Miami VA Whistleblower Exposes Drug Dealing, Theft, Abuse

What does this have to do with lack of funding? The story even notes they received millions of dollars to improve security but no one has a clue where it went.
 

werepossum

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What's funny is that this is something that people should be genuinely angry at Obama about. The main problem is that you clowns have been so desperate for something to call a scandal for years, that nobody takes you seriously anymore because everything else you've tried to label a scandal has been bullshit.

The VA is actually much less of a mess than people think. The overall satisfaction ratings from vets for it is extremely high, even though they don't like the wait times. None of that means that what happened here is in any way acceptable, of course.
Wow, Obama was less than golden for a whopping sixteen minutes.

It's a new record!

Miami VA Whistleblower Exposes Drug Dealing, Theft, Abuse

What does this have to do with lack of funding? The story even notes they received millions of dollars to improve security but no one has a clue where it went.
I suspect it went to studies to determine why there isn't enough security. That isn't specific to Obama; Mad Magazine taught me that is standard government procedure in the sixties. Only for a long time, I thought that was a joke with just enough truth to be funny.
 

ivwshane

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Lol! Another righty retard thread full of blaming the other team while, again, not providing any, none, zero, zilch, solutions except more finger pointing.

If this was a post office renaming the republicans would have already passed 30 bills fixing the problem!
 

BUnit1701

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I'm not sure how what I wrote got translated to that in your head. What I'm telling you is that conservatives have lost the ability to credibly criticize Obama because of their obsession with phony scandals. If you guys actually cared about improving government you would go after real problems instead of feverishly working on fake ones.

Obama Derangement Syndrome is a powerful force though, I guess.

Facinating, so the ATF handing fully automatic assault rifles (accurate use of the term) over to Mexican drug cartels is phony and not something to worry ourselves over?
 

Fern

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Lol! Another righty retard thread full of blaming the other team while, again, not providing any, none, zero, zilch, solutions except more finger pointing.

If this was a post office renaming the republicans would have already passed 30 bills fixing the problem!

The VA is under the Executive branch and Shinseki is a member of Obama's cabinet.

0/10 on your attempt to deflect.

Solutions have been proposed. One example is giving patients facing too long a wait period and those who live far away from any VA medical facility access to 'regular' doctors. The current backlog could be quickly cleared this way too.

Fern
 
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MongGrel

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What is this liberal bullshit that Obama is lazy and harmless? Obama is a radical Muslim who has been working nonstop to take away our freedom! He's been illegally trying to force through appointees nonstop and you think it's to accomplish nothing?
Oh, to live in your liberal bubble. You don't even know the radical socialist agenda the Republicans have been saving you from by voting "no" to everything. If only they continue to vote "no," we can have the same VA in 2020 that we have now and had in 2008!

bigstockphoto_American_Eagle_239566.jpg


And stop trying to divert from Benghazi.

Go join the Marines, do something for real, come back and talk to me in a few years instead of your fake patriotic BS.
 

DominionSeraph

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Lol! Another righty retard thread full of blaming the other team while, again, not providing any, none, zero, zilch, solutions except more finger pointing.

We need to:
1. Lower taxes.
2. Build a 1000 foot tall wall on our southern border.
3. Increase military spending.
4. Disband the EPA, OSHA, and make unions illegal to reinstate FREEDOM for our businesses.
5. Make abortion illegal.
...and all our problems will be solved.
 

Fern

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It seems that the VAs problems are mostly the results of inadequate funding. Basically not enough medical professionals staffed to meet the number of patients.

Are you ready - right now - to pay more in taxes so that this can be remedied?

I think it fair to say there might be a bit of a corruption problem too. One reason for lying about wait times was to ensure they got their bonuses.

Fern