Obama is blaming Fox News for Hillary's loss in the election

[Doc Savage Fan]

Constitutional Republic is Constitutional Republic.

 

[fskimospy]

Constitutional Republic is Constitutional Republic.

Whether or not we are a constitutional republic has nothing to do with whether we elect the president by popular vote or not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Whether or not we are a constitutional republic has nothing to do with whether we elect the president by popular vote or not.

Wrong. Since we're a Constitutional Republic the electoral college was specifically designed to satisfy State demands for greater representation in order to balance their sovereignty against the risk posed to the minority from majority rule (i.e. popular vote).

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong. Since we're a Constitutional Republic the electoral college was specifically designed to satisfy State demands for greater representation in order to balance their sovereignty against the risk posed to the minority from majority rule (i.e. popular vote).

Wrong. A constitutional republic requires none of those things. Our specific implementation of a government has those things but it is not because they are a requirement of being a constitutional republic. We could change to a national popular vote tomorrow and we would still be a constitutional republic. (And we should!)

A republic just means we have leaders who are elected, nothing more. A constitution tells us how those leaders are elected, nothing more. Not sure the source of the confusion about these simple definitions.

 

[Brainonska511]

Wrong. Since we're a Constitutional Republic the electoral college was specifically designed to satisfy State demands for greater representation in order to balance their sovereignty against the risk posed to the minority from majority rule (i.e. popular vote).

States have republican governments. Do they use electoral colleges for the governor?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Wrong. A constitutional republic requires none of those things. Our specific implementation of a government has those things but it is not because they are a requirement of being a constitutional republic. We could change to a national popular vote tomorrow and we would still be a constitutional republic. (And we should!)

A republic just means we have leaders who are elected, nothing more. A constitution tells us how those leaders are elected, nothing more. Not sure the source of the confusion about these simple definitions.

I never said it was a requirement of a Constitutional Republic. There you go again falsely framing points of discussion. Popular vote was considered and rejected because of great concern regarding State sovereignty and representation. The Electoral College was formed as a fairer system to provide State's representation within the republic. You being a poly sci major and all should know this.

 

[fskimospy]

I never said it was a requirement of a Constitutional Republic. There you go again falsely framing points of discussion.

Constitutional Republic is Constitutional Republic.

'Who, me?' We haven't had one of those in awhile, thanks for that.

Maybe you can tell me what you thought you were contributing to the discussion by pointing out that the US elects its leaders and that we can elect them in any way we want, including by national popular vote then. My guess is that you will refuse to answer this as what you did was a classic 'who, me?'.

Popular vote was considered and rejected because of great concern regarding State sovereignty. The Electoral College was formed as a fairer system to provide States representation withing the republic. You being a poly sci major and all should know this.

Nothing in the electoral college system precludes a national popular vote and 'fairness' had nothing to do with why the electoral college was formed. Looks like you should understand what you're talking about before trying to help anyone else, no?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nothing in the electoral college system precludes a national popular vote...

I never said that the electoral system precludes a national popular vote. In fact, I previously said that it was considered and rejected. That's now the 2nd time you've falsely framed a point of discussion.

...and 'fairness' had nothing to do with why the electoral college was formed. Looks like you should understand what you're talking about before trying to help anyone else, no?

Bullshit. We're a Constitutional Republic and the Electoral College was designed to give States fair representation and not subject them to “the tyranny of the majority”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

American founding father Alexander Hamilton writing to Jefferson from the Constitutional Convention argued the same fears regarding the use of pure direct democracy by the majority to elect a demagogue set out to harm the minority rather than work for the benefit of all citizens. The Electoral College mechanism present in the indirect United States presidential election system, and the phenomenon of faithless electors allowed for within it, was, in part, created as a safety measure not only to prevent such a scenario, but also to prevent the use of democracy to overthrow democracy for an authoritarian, dictatorial or other system of oppressive government.[3] As articulated by Hamilton, one reason the Electoral College was created was so "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."[4]​

 

[fskimospy]

I never said that the electoral system precludes a national popular vote. In fact, I previously said that it was considered and rejected. That's now the 2nd time you've falsely framed a point of discussion.

Since you appear to be the victim of repeated false representations by all means please tell us what you meant by this and what you thought it contributed to the discussion:

Constitutional Republic is Constitutional Republic.

This is the second time I've asked. I can't help but note that I predicted that you would not answer when I asked it the first time as it's a classic 'who, me?' It's the same old game where you make a vague statement and then declare that whenever someone tries to interpret it that their interpretation isn't what you meant and they are being terribly mean to you.

Be as simple and specific as you can be.

Bullshit. We're a Constitutional Republic and the Electoral College was designed in a similar manner in order to give States fair representation and not be subjected to “the tyranny of the majority”.

Give them 'fair' representation? Can you quote me any source that indicates the purpose of the electoral college was 'fairness'? You might want to read up on the electoral college more as one of its primary purposes was the perpetuation of slavery, not 'fairness'.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Since you appear to be the victim of repeated false representations by all means please tell us what you meant by this and what you thought it contributed to the discussion:



This is the second time I've asked. I can't help but note that I predicted that you would not answer when I asked it the first time as it's a classic 'who, me?' It's the same old game where you make a vague statement and then declare that whenever someone tries to interpret it that their interpretation isn't what you meant and they are being terribly mean to you.

Be as simple and specific as you can be.



Give them 'fair' representation? Can you quote me any source that indicates the purpose of the electoral college was 'fairness'? You might want to read up on the electoral college more as one of its primary purposes was the perpetuation of slavery, not 'fairness'.

Your snarky condescension is wasted on me. It's obvious that you're much more interested in twisting my words than engaging in honest discussion. I don't have the time, nor the desire, to play your little games...."honest broker".

 

[fskimospy]

Your snarky condescension is wasted on me. It's obvious that you're much more interested in twisting my words than engaging in honest discussion. I don't have the time, nor the desire, to play your little games...."honest broker".

I am totally shocked that you have once again claimed to be misrepresented while refusing to say what was misrepresented despite being asked repeatedly, "honest broker".

I love all these nicknames you come up with for me, by the way.

 

[Muse]

It's important to remember that the progressive left judges themselves based on their intentions not the results. Therefore if they lose an election somebody else is to blame. They intended to win, but they lost, but it's not their fault. They're actually winners because they intended to win.

It's some seriously convoluted thinking but it does explain why they seem to have their heads up their asses most of the time.

Even if you're the POTUS, "the man" has still got his boot on your neck. They just can't shake that victim mentality.

Are you just a little prejudicial?

 

[1prophet]

We need to get rid of affirmative action and we should start withe the electoral college.

Majority rules, might makes right, big over small, the best should always be first, etc.

 

[SKORPI0]