MovingTarget
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This is pathetic for several reasons. First problem: It doesn't make any sense. I mean even if you're trying to attack Obama for this, trying to burn him for... writing a book? It's just confusing.
Second of all, it just shows how sad this whole thing has become for our resident right wingers. At least when Harvey or some of the other people try to create a tangent to attack Bush with it's something to the effect of 'he's killed thousands of people' or 'he's destroying the Constitution'. Fear No Evil here's best shot is 'he's an author and I think his Illinois state senate votes avoided tough issues'. Oooooohhhhh!
Let me know when you stop using everything developed, maintained and established by our government via federal programs. When you do please oblige us all by starting with your internet usage first.
We had money to recklessly and foolishly wage war in Iraq and then rebuild it. I think we in this nation at the very least should make the effort to improve America first this time around. In fact I can guaranteed that we will get more out of infrastructure spending economically then we do from our presence in Iraq.
When you have tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of people moving along your Chicagland highways, and they're all torn up, and under construction with one shift going - and when I say going, I use that term very loosely - instead of at least 2, if not 3...and then the next year the road is falling apart again, has ripples in it, etc....it's just not use. It's just not the amount of traffic. It's F'ing mismanagement of getting competant contractors to do the work, and build the roads and watersheds properly.
There are just so many examples, it's simply defacto that IDOT Management sux. Period. There is no argument...no one in the Chicagoland area will argue this. Just use Google and plug in IDOT and some terms such as Management and/or Money. Read and weep.
It's just not IDOT in IL though...I firmly believe the construction industry here (in the Chicagoland area at least), is just so F'ing shoddy and/or corrupt, it's plainly not fixable. What it will take is a total revamp of IDOT, and then the hiring of a honest, competant, outside contractor, who will bring in their own folks. And that includes getting the correct concrete and/or asphalt and/or base type sourcing done properly as well. After 2-3 years of no work, perhaps the local's will finally get the picture that the old days of f@cktard work/projects are over.
Worse, I actually personally know road construction workers, and even they are amazed at sh1t that goes on....and, at this point, it takes a lot to amaze them...
Chuck
Woah Woah Woah...this The Messiah. Don't tell me he didn't have power. He's a F'ing IL senator. That's all the power you need to start getting investigations launched, driving the issue in the public light so action is taken, etc.
He had years to do this. It wasn't important to him. Now that he has the unlimited budget of the Federal Gov., it is????
Nah...I'll pass. Sounds like a Union payback scheme to me....and, PS, I'm fairly pro-Union.
Messiah needs to pick something else...clearly if the sh1t we've had to deal with in IL under his watch wasn't important enough, then it cannot possibly be at the Federal level.
Chuck
Born2bwire
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There are investigations, part of the allegations against Blagojevich is the pay-for-play that plagues the Illinois road construction but I don't see why the onus would be on Obama for any of this.
Bringing up anecdotal points does not make a case against Obama's proposal for infrastructure spending. If anything your problems in your state have more to do with your politicians and officials who neglect responsible oversight over infrastructure projects. Then again how did all that infrastructure in IL appear? Did it magically appeared out of thin air? How and by whom is it being maintained ? Who will expand/replace it when it begins to collapse or becomes obsolete? If there are issues in IL it's strictly a local matter that you folks need to sort out but it does set the rule for other areas in the US.
You nailed the bolded right on the head. I mean, you are exactly correct.
Now, until Obama was elected as POTUS, he was a senator for which state???? And you want to let him and his folks, the same ones that did jacko for IL, play with multi-$Billions in Fed. money for the same thing he didn't even attempt to fix - yet is clearly broke - in IL???
Okey dokey......No......
Chuck
Okay your appealing to something here but it's not a factual argument. The guy has not even set foot in the White House and already you are labeling him a crook. Oh and he is going to be "playing" with Billions if not Trillions when he approves a his first budget like it or not.
We've already cut to the chase before Obama even ran for POTUS. There are multitudes of things that needing doing in IL, and he didn't touch a fraction of them. For someone that is labeled as the 2nd Coming, how is it possible he could not have made cleaning up the IL roadway system a priority? Especially given how many people in IL use that system, and that systems use to the country as a whole?
My answer is either, a.) it wasn't important enough to him, or b.) he's in on the corruption. The answer to either a or b tells me that an Obama Admin, and the cronies that will end up being employed by the Obama Admin, are going to likely squander $Billions of Fed. dollars we already don't have.
What is your point?
Chuck
It's a Fact: He did nothing while he was an IL senator. That's the only fact you need to keep in mind here.
And, keeping that Fact in mind, and the state of IL roadways, and the responsibility of IL senators to not have their F'ing roadways be in the perpetual state our roadways are in....tells you exactly all you need to know about Obama on Infrastructure, and his competance/willingness to handle that (or, maybe, mishandle that would be a better word).
Him playing with Trillions is a given...I'm not looking to make his disaster any bigger than it's already going to be though...
Chuck
Being a senator does not mean that you are going to automatically get all the federal funding you push for in D.C for your state. I'd say the governor of IL would have more power to determine the future of your state then a junior senator in Washington D.C. Then again I doubt you really care because you seem to have a political axe to grind with Obama no matter what is said.
So where is the concrete evidence of his corruption you talk about?? So far you have provided nothing but "He didn't do as much as I hoped he would of done in D.C. when he was a junior senator." which isn't a convincing argument to say the least because the same could be said of the majority of public officials who moved onto higher positions in government. In the end your entire argument really doesn't have much weight behind it in regards to disproving why Obama's proposed infrastructure program would be a bane instead of a boon for the whole of the Untied States. If anything Obama being the President certianly means he now has the ability to better shape and improve our nation then he did as a senator.
Born2bwire
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I'm sorry that he didn't take up your little pet cause but there are people who are supposed to be dealing with that. You might want to try complaining about the state senators that sat on the Transportation committee instead, or maybe IDOT, or the governor's office that has made such a cock-up of it all or the many others who are/were directly responsible for the state's transportation.
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Where has that question been the past 8 years?
Sadly in the minds and on the tongues of too few.
Originally posted by: GenHoth
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Where has that question been the past 8 years?
Sadly in the minds and on the tongues of too few.
Yeh, but that was *different*, at least in the minds of the faithful. It was OK to spend money we didn't have because Bushco *cut taxes!* to do it. That alone makes it all better. And because of the Terrarist threat of WMD's and Nukes and baby-rapers, we just had to invade Iraq, cock-up the occupation of Afghanistan, and puff up the military to cold war levels, and...
You guys just don't get it. Trickledown! Ownership Society! Free Market! Terrar! Ebil! Real 'Merrica! Global Economy!
And now, of course, it's important to establish a scapegoat- the Messiah! Yeh, that's it! Puff him up to be something he's not and never claimed to be, heap the blame on him! It's the Obama recession, after all- just ask Rush, he'll tell ya!
I mean, if the guy can't be all things to all people all the time, what use is he, anyway? It's all his fault!
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Originally posted by: GenHoth
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Where has that question been the past 8 years?
Sadly in the minds and on the tongues of too few.
Yeh, but that was *different*, at least in the minds of the faithful. It was OK to spend money we didn't have because Bushco *cut taxes!* to do it. That alone makes it all better. And because of the Terrarist threat of WMD's and Nukes and baby-rapers, we just had to invade Iraq, cock-up the occupation of Afghanistan, and puff up the military to cold war levels, and...
You guys just don't get it. Trickledown! Ownership Society! Free Market! Terrar! Ebil! Real 'Merrica! Global Economy!
And now, of course, it's important to establish a scapegoat- the Messiah! Yeh, that's it! Puff him up to be something he's not and never claimed to be, heap the blame on him! It's the Obama recession, after all- just ask Rush, he'll tell ya!
I mean, if the guy can't be all things to all people all the time, what use is he, anyway? It's all his fault!
Well, in all fairness, none of that will discontinue. Including tax cuts if Obama gets his way. But thats OT.
Specop 007
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blackangst1
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No, we need to do whatever it takes to keep factories etc here. i.e. make it tax friendly, etc. Thats the whole reason shit is shipped overseaes-too expensive to make it here.
MovingTarget
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Man, this forum can be a real laugh riot sometimes. Let me get this straight...tax cuts are great for the economy, but only when the Republicans do it?
oh, and infrastructure++ :thumbsup:
oh, and infrastructure++ :thumbsup:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Man, this forum can be a real laugh riot sometimes. Let me get this straight...tax cuts are great for the economy, but only when the Republicans do it?
oh, and infrastructure++ :thumbsup:
Yeah, it's a laugh riot... tax-cuts are horrible and have been bashed for ~8 years but are no championed by the people who bashed them... hilfugginlarious.
<-supports people keeping more of the money they have earned as they know how to better spend their money than does the gov't.
japan stagnated because its people wouldn't spend any money, they saved it all, which then lend to the borrowing bubble in the us/uk
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