Obama Infomercial Extravaganza '08

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Hugh H

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How's he going to pay to rebuild the military?

Like everything else. Tax those richies making 250K+.

He actually just changed it to $200k+. After the election, it'll be go down to $50k+.

Idiot.

Nope, just not stupid enough to drink the Kool-Aid. Does Obama have a detailed economic plan on how he's actually going to pay to rebuild the military? You'd think with all of his donation money, he could develop a detailed economic plan/budget for the current economic state and beyond.

And if you don't think he's going to flip-flop on a number of his promises after the election, you're kidding yourself.

I'm completely for his social issues but find his economic policy to be poorly conceptualized and make believe.

so you believe in the bush plan because mccain is doing the exact same thing...except he is not going to tax the rich, middle or poor.

No, both of their plans suck. Sorry but I don't have to agree with either plan.

then dont tell us you are not voting for him because he has a poor economic plan when obviously there is another reason.

And what would that be? I don't plan on voting for a President. I plan to vote b/c there are important local issues but as a liberal democrat, I could never vote Republican but I don't believe Obama is going to make a good President. How hard is that to understand?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How's he going to pay to rebuild the military?

Like everything else. Tax those richies making 250K+.

He actually just changed it to $200k+. After the election, it'll be go down to $50k+.

link? :roll:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Hugh H

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How's he going to pay to rebuild the military?

Like everything else. Tax those richies making 250K+.

He actually just changed it to $200k+. After the election, it'll be go down to $50k+.

Idiot.

Nope, just not stupid enough to drink the Kool-Aid. Does Obama have a detailed economic plan on how he's actually going to pay to rebuild the military? You'd think with all of his donation money, he could develop a detailed economic plan/budget for the current economic state and beyond.

And if you don't think he's going to flip-flop on a number of his promises after the election, you're kidding yourself.

I'm completely for his social issues but find his economic policy to be poorly conceptualized and make believe.

Rebuild the military? Our idiotic Senate just approved a $650 billion dollar budget for the armed forces for FY 2009. If the Pentagon can't "fix" or "repair" itself with that much money, then what do you expect Obama to do?

Ask Obama why he spoke about it in his infomercial? Why bring it up then?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Dari
Very well done. Reminds me of the movie Glory.

Please, do not disrespect a good movie.

Well the music reminded me.

Actually, I'll give you credit there.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How's he going to pay to rebuild the military?

Like everything else. Tax those richies making 250K+.

He actually just changed it to $200k+. After the election, it'll be go down to $50k+.

Joe Biden two days ago listed the mark as $150k. I don't feel like searching youtube for it, just turn on Fox News, they'll be playing the clips a lot I'm sure. :evil:

But I mean, look at history, in 1933 Hoover raised taxes on those making $100k+, and just look at the wonders that did on avoiding the Great Depression...

thats because the great depression had already started 7 years earlier in england, and had spread to America 3-4 years earlier

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

campaigning 101.

when you're ahead, you can afford to go positive.
when you're behind, you go negative or you give up.

and clean campaigning? come on, Barack's first gen-el ads were FUD targeted to seniors about how McCain was going to destroy their social security.

Critizing another candidates policies are not smear campaigning.

take his latest ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3cKCl8tmb0

you think that's a positive ad?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You'd think with all of his donation money, he could develop a detailed economic plan/budget for the current economic state and beyond.

dude, its on his website if you want the specifics

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

campaigning 101.

when you're ahead, you can afford to go positive.
when you're behind, you go negative or you give up.

and clean campaigning? come on, Barack's first gen-el ads were FUD targeted to seniors about how McCain was going to destroy their social security.

Critizing another candidates policies are not smear campaigning.

take his latest ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3cKCl8tmb0

you think that's a positive ad?

Well, Palin winked at me. If I was a redneck I'd get a massive hard-on. How can that be a negative?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How's he going to pay to rebuild the military?

Like everything else. Tax those richies making 250K+.

He actually just changed it to $200k+. After the election, it'll be go down to $50k+.

wrong

250k+ tax increase
200k-249k same
200k- decrease

Did you watch his infomercial? It was typed across the screen that those making more than $200k would receive the tax increase with everyone under getting a tax cut.

iirc it said anyone below 200k would receive a tax cut.

... not relative to their current tax rate, of course, but a higher past tax rate.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You'd think with all of his donation money, he could develop a detailed economic plan/budget for the current economic state and beyond.

dude, its on his website if you want the specifics

Sorry dude, but I want more detail than he's providing there. It's a nice start and sounds great but doesn't jive when you actually crunch the numbers.

 

[OrByte]

I would be weary of ANY detailed economic plan from either side given the constant flux our markets and the global markets seem to be in currently.

imho.

Edit: and did ANYONE sit through the whole infomercial?

I missed it.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
The biggest thing I see in this election, and the ad just reinforces it...

Over half a billion more dollars spent and just a couple percentage points ahead in the polls.

Obama is a master of reciting talking points. The only solid platform Obama has been winning on is that he is not George Bush.

Government is corrupt. Democrats are corrupt. Republicans are corrupt. The only way the government can help us is to first fix themselves. And that is *not* what Obama will be doing. He believes government has some magic wand that when waived can magically make everyone's problems go away. And the only reason the masses are believing this is because they are still overwhelmed by their dislike of George Bush. Government is *not* the answer. At least not right now.

There I've said my peace. Now I will never again venture into this cesspool of a forum.

:thumbsup:

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

MoveOn and the rest of the media with the exception of FNC. But the local fox affiliates are just as bad or close to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and all of them... The papers are the worst.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I would be weary of ANY detailed economic plan from either side given the constant flux our markets and the global markets seem to be in currently.

imho.

Edit: and did ANYONE sit through the whole infomercial?

I missed it.

Theres a link earlier in this thread to a Youtube capture of it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: cubby1223
The biggest thing I see in this election, and the ad just reinforces it...

Over half a billion more dollars spent and just a couple percentage points ahead in the polls.

Obama is a master of reciting talking points. The only solid platform Obama has been winning on is that he is not George Bush.

Government is corrupt. Democrats are corrupt. Republicans are corrupt. The only way the government can help us is to first fix themselves. And that is *not* what Obama will be doing. He believes government has some magic wand that when waived can magically make everyone's problems go away. And the only reason the masses are believing this is because they are still overwhelmed by their dislike of George Bush. Government is *not* the answer. At least not right now.

There I've said my peace. Now I will never again venture into this cesspool of a forum.

:thumbsup:

Oh please. Am I the only person getting tired of the "I hate government" childish ranting being passed off as genuine insight?

Edit: And it's even more ridiculous since that kind of commentary almost always comes from Republicans, who prove to be anything but "anti-government" once their party is in power.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

What about the Swiftboaters? They're the same thing as MoveOn.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

What about the Swiftboaters? They're the same thing as MoveOn.

What does that have to do with Obama being a "clean campaigner"?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

What about the Swiftboaters? They're the same thing as MoveOn.

feels like republican 527's have been MIA this year... maybe they're just not in NJ, but I've def. seen a bunch of moveon ads this year.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: cubby1223
The biggest thing I see in this election, and the ad just reinforces it...

Over half a billion more dollars spent and just a couple percentage points ahead in the polls.

Obama is a master of reciting talking points. The only solid platform Obama has been winning on is that he is not George Bush.

Government is corrupt. Democrats are corrupt. Republicans are corrupt. The only way the government can help us is to first fix themselves. And that is *not* what Obama will be doing. He believes government has some magic wand that when waived can magically make everyone's problems go away. And the only reason the masses are believing this is because they are still overwhelmed by their dislike of George Bush. Government is *not* the answer. At least not right now.

There I've said my peace. Now I will never again venture into this cesspool of a forum.

:thumbsup:

Oh please. Am I the only person getting tired of the "I hate government" childish ranting being passed off as genuine insight?

Honestly, your sentence is the one that comes off as childish.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

campaigning 101.

when you're ahead, you can afford to go positive.
when you're behind, you go negative or you give up.

and clean campaigning? come on, Barack's first gen-el ads were FUD targeted to seniors about how McCain was going to destroy their social security.

Critizing another candidates policies are not smear campaigning.

take his latest ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3cKCl8tmb0

you think that's a positive ad?

At least ALL his ads aren't like that. "Clean" would seem to be a relative term, and I don't think you could make the argument that McCain has done a better job of that than Obama.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

Yeah - he lets MoveOn do the dirty work. Of course, he has no association at all with them... :roll:

What about the Swiftboaters? They're the same thing as MoveOn.

feels like republican 527's have been MIA this year... maybe they're just not in NJ, but I've def. seen a bunch of moveon ads this year.

there have been a couple running adds around here lately.

the one where obama wants his daughters to abort his grandchildren is the best imo.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: cubby1223
The biggest thing I see in this election, and the ad just reinforces it...

Over half a billion more dollars spent and just a couple percentage points ahead in the polls.

Obama is a master of reciting talking points. The only solid platform Obama has been winning on is that he is not George Bush.

Government is corrupt. Democrats are corrupt. Republicans are corrupt. The only way the government can help us is to first fix themselves. And that is *not* what Obama will be doing. He believes government has some magic wand that when waived can magically make everyone's problems go away. And the only reason the masses are believing this is because they are still overwhelmed by their dislike of George Bush. Government is *not* the answer. At least not right now.

There I've said my peace. Now I will never again venture into this cesspool of a forum.

:thumbsup:

Oh please. Am I the only person getting tired of the "I hate government" childish ranting being passed off as genuine insight?

Honestly, your sentence is the one that comes off as childish.

...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: techs
Interesting to compare tonites Obama address with McCains campaign.
While McCain keeps smearing Obama, Obama went the entire half hour and never once mentioned McCains name.
Thumbs up for clean campaining, Barack
:thumbsup:

campaigning 101.

when you're ahead, you can afford to go positive.
when you're behind, you go negative or you give up.

and clean campaigning? come on, Barack's first gen-el ads were FUD targeted to seniors about how McCain was going to destroy their social security.

Critizing another candidates policies are not smear campaigning.

take his latest ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3cKCl8tmb0

you think that's a positive ad?

At least ALL his ads aren't like that. "Clean" would seem to be a relative term, and I don't think you could make the argument that McCain has done a better job of that than Obama.

So, is this your admission that Obama hasn't run a clean campaign? Or is your definition of a "clean campaign" "not as dirty as the other guy's"?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: cubby1223
The biggest thing I see in this election, and the ad just reinforces it...

Over half a billion more dollars spent and just a couple percentage points ahead in the polls.

Obama is a master of reciting talking points. The only solid platform Obama has been winning on is that he is not George Bush.

Government is corrupt. Democrats are corrupt. Republicans are corrupt. The only way the government can help us is to first fix themselves. And that is *not* what Obama will be doing. He believes government has some magic wand that when waived can magically make everyone's problems go away. And the only reason the masses are believing this is because they are still overwhelmed by their dislike of George Bush. Government is *not* the answer. At least not right now.

There I've said my peace. Now I will never again venture into this cesspool of a forum.

:thumbsup:

Oh please. Am I the only person getting tired of the "I hate government" childish ranting being passed off as genuine insight?

Honestly, your sentence is the one that comes off as childish.

I'm just working with what you give me. You want me to post better responses, try posting something more intelligent...or in your case agreeing with something more intelligent. Taking up a generic anti-government stance is the refuge of people who refuse to become informed about politics, and I honestly don't think that deserves much in the way of a response. But at least cubby1223 came up with his own viewpoint, even if I disagree with him. All YOU could manage was a "me too" response. I know you think my post was "childish", but I don't really think it's fair to compare it to your masterful rhetorical talents :roll: