Obama impeachment a possibility, says Ron Paul

[Texashiker]

And, finally, the commandant of Andersonville wasn't just court-marshaled. He was executed, hung and left writhing and choking while thousands watched.

Apparently you didn't know this, either. :'(

I thought the commander at Andersonville had been put to death, but I was not sure.

Since the commander of Andersonvilleville was put to death, where it the justice for those held at Guantanamo Bay?

Didn't obama promise to close Guantanamo Bay?

If you had a child in the hands of a terrorist holding a gun,,,,,

If, if if, life is full of "ifs".

 

[piasabird]

If a person is engaged with a foreign power in killing Americans as an enemy combatant, then that person is committing acts of war against the USA. As such he is a traitor, and a member of an organization that is hell-bent on killing all Americans. He has given up his right to anything but a speedy military trial by combat. There are no Affidavit for Alqaeda members. We are at war with them.

 

[dank69]

Ok, which lefties and righties switched accounts recently? Watching right-wingers wring their hands over due process for Al Qaeda members and left-wingers on the 'you want to see the afterlife, we'll give you a lift' bus is one of the craziest things I've seen in this forum.

I don't think any but the fringiest of the fringe left elements have ever stated that they don't want terrorists executed*. Hell, even Moonbeam has no problem with these things.

*Now joined by rabid right wingers. :thumbsup:

 

[Arkaign]

The PM of Iraq?

Hahaha maybe wishful thinking.

Al Awlaki?

 

[piasabird]

It is also wrong when a foreign group member wants to kill americans and we do nothing. Especially when that group has already sent people to the USA to kill Americans. This is not some peaceful group, this is a group we are already at war with.

We had traitors from the Americas who sided with the Redcoats. We killed them also.

I had relatives at andersonville. What does that have to do with anything? It was a prisoner of war camp. We had a similar camp for southern prisoners in Alton, IL. Many people died there from malnutrition and disease. War is hell. Yes it was a Federal Prisoner of war camp. During the Civil war food was scarce and we did not waste much on southern or Northern prisoners of war.

Ever hear about the miracle at andersonville. A story about a spring that miraculously appeared in the camp???

 

[Moonbeam]

Texashiker: If, if if, life is full of "ifs".

I share your distaste for hypothetical, but indulge me here. Are you going to pull that trigger? This hypothetical is carefully constructed to focus your mind on a real issue. I can understand your desire to evade.

 

[Texashiker]

If a person is engaged with a foreign power in killing Americans as an enemy combatant, then that person is committing acts of war against the USA. .

How does this work into your post?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/world/americas/mexico-us-citizens-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_bn4

Two U.S. citizens -- a mother and her son --- have been killed in the violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, authorities said.

Why aren't the drug cartels labeled as terrorist, and why isn't and the military sent in?

Outside the USA - check.
Killing US citizens - check
Group doing the killing is organized - check

Where are the hellfire missiles and the US military?

Texashiker: If, if if, life is full of "ifs".

I share your distaste for hypothetical, but indulge me here. Are you going to pull that trigger? This hypothetical is carefully constructed to focus your mind on a real issue. I can understand your desire to evade.

Does the person pose an immediate threat?

Did Anwar al-Awlaki have his finger on a button to launch a missile?

As far as I know, the guy did nothing but talk.

 

[Moonbeam]

How does this work into your post?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/world/americas/mexico-us-citizens-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_bn4



Why aren't the drug cartels labeled as terrorist, and why isn't and the military sent in?

Outside the USA - check.
Killing US citizens - check
Group doing the killing is organized - check

Where are the hellfire missiles and the US military?

Watch what happens if they kill several thousand folk in one of our buildings.

 

[Texashiker]

Watch what happens if they kill several thousand folk in one of our buildings.

Yea, killing US citizens 2 and 3 at a time, who is going to notice.

 

[GaryJohnson]

As far as I know, the guy did nothing but talk.

By that same logic, all Obama did was "talk." How could he be impeached for just talking?

 

[Moonbeam]

How does this work into your post?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/world/americas/mexico-us-citizens-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_bn4



Why aren't the drug cartels labeled as terrorist, and why isn't and the military sent in?

Outside the USA - check.
Killing US citizens - check
Group doing the killing is organized - check

Where are the hellfire missiles and the US military?




Does the person pose an immediate threat?

Did Anwar al-Awlaki have his finger on a button to launch a missile?

As far as I know, the guy did nothing but talk.

Was Ansar al-Awlaki an Al Quaeda terrorist? Is Al Quaeda an imminent threat? Did they fly planes into our buildings? Would they like to again, or will next time be a nuke? Do they send suicide bombers to kill our troops. Did this dude recruit? Was the evidence against him manufactured? 'As far as you know' means fuck all to the President. He has to weigh the facts as they are know to the intelligence community who have identified this guy as as Al Quaeda, sorry.

 

[Moonbeam]

By that same logic, all Obama did was "talk." How could he be impeached for just talking?

Hehe, all he said was blow this guys ass to hell.

 

[Texashiker]

Is Al Quaeda an imminent threat?

Do you even understand what Al Quaeda is fighting for?

Did they fly planes into our buildings? Would they like to again, or will next time be a nuke?

The Japanese bombed pearl harbor, lets keep bombing them, why did world war II end?

Do they send suicide bombers to kill our troops.

We are an occupying force in a foreign country.

You seem to like "if" statements - if the USA was invaded, our government overthrown, our president hung, would you do any less?

 

[Perknose]

I thought the commander at Andersonville had been put to death, but I was not sure.

Since the commander of Andersonvilleville was put to death, where it the justice for those held at Guantanamo Bay?

Didn't obama promise to close Guantanamo Bay?

Guantanamo Bay is a clusterfuck albatross. It is one of Obama's failures that he failed to close it.

But to compare Guantanamo with Andersonville, where considerably over 10,000 American soldiers who fought under the Stars and Stripes for the preservation of the Union died horrifically from disease, starvation and execution -- one possibly apocryphal story is that Wirz, the commandant, killed one prisioner with his own hands, iirc -- won't fly with me, and shouldn't with you.

If you were able to think more clearly, I dare say you wouldn't have ventured to make such a comparison.

 

[bfdd]

Texashiker, some of these people talking about killing him based on all this other stuff are the same people who demonize others on these forums for wanting to own a gun to protect themselves. Why would you have to kill someone? Why? lol hypocritical assholes. Like I said, I think the dude deserved to get killed so meh whatevers, but me thinking that doesn't make me a hypocrit where as some of you it sure as fuck does. lol you tools.

 

[Texashiker]

Guantanamo Bay is a clusterfuck albatross. It is one of Obama's failures that he failed to close it.

<snip>

If you were able to think more clearly, I dare say you wouldn't have ventured to make such a comparison.

Where Andersonville and Guantanamo Bay may not be a direct 1:1 comparison, I think they share some similarities.

At the very least, the people held at Anderssonville were going to be released "someday", and that day was when the war was over.

At Guantanamo Bay, the people are being held with no hope of release.

 

[dank69]

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We are an occupying force in a foreign country.

You seem to like "if" statements - if the USA was invaded, our government overthrown, our president hung, would you do any less?

I certainly would not consider the option of mass murdering innocent civilians that had nothing to do with the occupation.

 

[GaryJohnson]

At Guantanamo Bay, the people are being held with no hope of release.

Tell that to the 604 (78%) that have been released.

 

[JSt0rm]

We have to impeach democrat presidents. Its what the republicans do.

 

[xBiffx]

We have to impeach democrat presidents. Its what the republicans do.

Republican presidents just resign to save democrats the trouble.

 

[Ausm]

Uh, a not insignificant number were "put to death," summarily shot while trying to escape, or even for so much as stepping over a demarcated line, and in one instance, several were shot for sitting down when told not to!

Additionally, thousands of southern prisioners died unnecessarily in the brutal and horrid conditions of the camps.

Please read further into the history of your own country before you expound on it.

As for the fate of northern prisioners in southern camps, they fared even worse. One of my forebears died in Andersonville. Conditions there rivaled the Nazi death camps, though more from lack of resources than from an intentional policy. Still, thousands slowly and painfully starved to death.

As a kid, I saw pictures of survivors of Andersonville who were living skeletons. I'm sure most of them didn't survive for long. The image of those pics have stuck with me down through the years.

And, finally, the commandant of Andersonville wasn't just court-marshaled. He was executed, hung and left writhing and choking while thousands watched.

Apparently you didn't know this, either. :'(

Some Andersonville "survivors,' here ya' go:

Damn they look like Holocaust survivors and alot of them didn't make it either after they got Liberated.

 

[superccs]

Did teh GOP try to get Clinton impeached for getting head? Talk about "you're doing it wrong"

Ron Paul you Failsorz

 

[JSt0rm]

Where Andersonville and Guantanamo Bay may not be a direct 1:1 comparison, I think they share some similarities.

At the very least, the people held at Anderssonville were going to be released "someday", and that day was when the war was over.

At Guantanamo Bay, the people are being held with no hope of release.

You look pretty dumb right now. lol.

 

[werepossum]

Guantanamo Bay is a clusterfuck albatross. It is one of Obama's failures that he failed to close it.

SNIP

What would you have him do? The one case he tried in civilian court he got only one conviction of almost 250 counts charged, even Democrats block him from moving the Gitmo prisoners to civilian prisons, and several released detainees have already been recaptured or killed while fighting for the terrorists. His only real choices are to admit Bush was right, or to release those prisoners judged too dangerous to be released to this point. If the latter, how do you think he'll be judged when (not if) some of those kill again?

Your argument isn't with Obama, it's with reality. You can't fight a war as if it's burglary. Or at least, not if you care anything at all about winning.

 

[trenchfoot]

If a person is engaged with a foreign power in killing Americans as an enemy combatant, then that person is committing acts of war against the USA. As such he is a traitor, and a member of an organization that is hell-bent on killing all Americans. He has given up his right to anything but a speedy military trial by combat. There are no Affidavit for Alqaeda members. We are at war with them.

Agreed. In my mind, Awlaki saw himself as a jihadist at war against the crusaders and infidels from the west. He saw himself as a warrior fighting for the survival of Islam. At the time of his being killed, I really don't think he saw himself as citizen of the USA, nor do I think he expected to take advantage of his right to a fair trial because he not only renounced his citizenship, he denounced it as well. He knew full well that he was being actively sought after for what he was; a terrorist, and not as the "former" US citizen he renounced himself as.

The mere technicality that he did not formally renounce his nationality was, IMO, due to the circumstances surrounding his "defection" to an organization that sought to kill Americans in terrorist fashion. IMO, I think he felt it was to the advantage of the United States that he did not formally renounce, and a distinct disavanatage to himself.

I believe if he were captured by US forces, he would have refused to be tried in the US court system and would have insisted on being tried under Sharia Law, thus rendering the point of giving him that choice moot.