Obama impeachment a possibility, says Ron Paul

[Genx87]

Totally irrelevant comparison. But by all means join your nutter hero Ron Paul and proceed with impeachment proceedings And let me know how that works out for ya. Or better yet go join al-Awhackjobs peaceful protesting brothers in Yemen

It isnt an irrelevant comparison. You made the claim when citizens fight the US or its allies on foreign soil they lose their citizenship. That is completely false. My example had a man who joined the SS and was given a trial. He didnt recieve summary execution nor was his citizenship revoked.

I have already said earlier in this thread Paul is free to bring the article of impeachment against Obama. But it will get nowhere. And your last sentence really illuminates how little understanding you have of my point.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

No treaty can override our Constitution.

Because our Constitution applies to Yemen? Get a clue our Constitution means nothing outside our borders. But by all means keep searching for another strawman.

Gotta love how you guys last grasp is always the Constitution
Go get Spidey07 he will be your "Wee the people"

 

[Texashiker]

Totally irrelevant comparison.

How is that an "irrelevant comparison"?

Article 3 Section 3 of the US Constitution outlines how traitors and citizens who make war against the US are supposed to the treated.

obama took an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution.

Since obama took an oath to uphold the Constitution, why didn't he follow Article 3 Section 3?

 

[xBiffx]

As was the case during the revolutionary war, its very hard to distinguish between a patriot and a traitor. It depends on your point of view. Also, it depends on the outcome of your actions. Had we lost the war with Britain, the founding fathers would have been labeled traitors for their actions and been executed for their crimes. Since history played out the way it has, they are considered patriots and held in high regards. Anymore, given our constant state of "war", only history will dictate how each president is judged in the future. Interesting debate though.

 

[dank69]

Anyone who fights and dies for what they believe, should receive a certain amount of respect. I may not agree with what Anwar al-Awlaki said or did, but I respect him for it.

As for obama, I have no respect for him.

It seems that anyone who speaks out against US foreign policy is being targeted.

People should have the right to voice their opinions, especially US citizens. It is not the governments place to put someone to death for what they say.

Since when can the US government put someone to death for talking?

So if I believe that all jews should die, and I fight and die for that belief, I should be respected? What if I believed that pedophilia should be legal? Should I be respected if I fight and die for that cause?

 

[Genx87]

Because our Constitution applies to Yemen? Get a clue our Constitution means nothing outside our borders. But by all means keep searching for another strawman.

Gotta love how you guys last grasp is always the Constitution
Go get Spidey07 he will be your "Wee the people"

So you believe once you leave our borders your rights as an American citizen with regards to how our govt views you ceases?

 

[Texashiker]

So if I believe that all jews should die, and I fight and die for that belief, I should be respected? What if I believed that pedophilia should be legal? Should I be respected if I fight and die for that cause?

Your question does not even warrant a reply.

Because our Constitution applies to Yemen?

Our Constitution applies to US citizens, regardless of location.

 

[GaryJohnson]

Didn't Anwar al-Awlaki lose his citizenship?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001481----000-.html

Isn't Al-Qaeda an armed force engaged in hostilites against the United States?

 

[Ausm]

So if I believe that all jews should die, and I fight and die for that belief, I should be respected? What if I believed that pedophilia should be legal? Should I be respected if I fight and die for that cause?

LMAO :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Do you gun lovin, Consitution huggin conservative really expect anybody to believe for one second that you guys would'nt be cheering this guys death if he where killed under a Republican administration? Please, you really can't be that stupid.

This is such an obvious partisan witchhunt its comical.

 

[Genx87]

Do you gun lovin, Consitution huggin conservative really expect anybody to believe for one second that you guys would'nt be cheering this guys death if he where killed under a Republican administration? Please, you really can't be that stupid.

This is such an obvious partisan witchhunt its comical.

So now the argument has shifted from losing citizenship and the geneva convention trumping the constitution to petty partisan politics.

To answer your question. I would not support any republican's action that ordered the execution of an american citizen without a trial.

 

[Jaskalas]

If anything, Anwar al-Awlaki is a patriot, he fought and died for what he believed.

Now that just ticks me off. Awlaki got what he deserved.

The contention is how we arrived at that point without due process or set guidelines. We want full disclosure of how our government arrives at the point of killing an American so we can scrutinize and potentially change that process to properly limit it.

 

[Texashiker]

This is such an obvious partisan witchhunt its comical.

I do not care what political party is in power, the ordered assassination of a US citizen with no attempt to arrest is a crime.

Nobody has answered my question:

If obama took an oath to uphold our laws, why didn't he uphold Article 3 Section 3 of the US Constitution?

Now that just ticks me off. Awlaki got what he deserved.

As a US citizen, he also deserved a fair trial.

But obama made sure Awlaki never made it to court, and was never able to offer evidence in his defense.

 

[IGBT]

what about all the assassinations that took place when the obama was selling guns to drug dealers in mexico!!

 

[1prophet]

He put out a hit on a US citizen and tried to undermine the first amendment, and since President Obama has sworn to protect the citizens of this country and the US constitution it would have been negligent of him to not stop this terrorist as quickly and effectively as possible.

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Radical American-Yemeni Islamic cleric Imam Anwar al-Awlaki has singled… (AP/HO)

Cleric Anwar al-Awlaki puts 'Everybody Draw Mohammed' cartoonist Molly Norris on execution hitlist


BY JAMES GORDON MEEK AND KATIE NELSON
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, July 11, 2010

A CHARISMATIC terror leader linked to the botched Times Square car bomb has placed the Seattle cartoonist who launched "Everybody Draw Muhammed Day" on an execution hit list.
Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki - the radical who has also been cited as inspiring the Fort Hood, Tex., massacre and the plot by two New Jersey men to kill U.S. soldiers - singled out artist Molly Norris as a "prime target," saying her "proper abode is hellfire."
FBI officials have notified Norris and warned her they consider it a "very serious threat."

 

[xBiffx]

He put out a hit on a US citizen and tried to undermine the first amendment, and since President Obama has sworn to protect the citizens of this country and the US constitution it would have been negligent of him to not stop this terrorist as quickly and effectively as possible.

These are fine, valid arguments, but the problem is they should have been arguments made in a court of law. We have had many terrorists in this country that have done unspeakable things. They all deserved and received a fair trail as is their right. If Ted Kaczynski had been killed in the same manner would all of you be on the same side? He was just as much of a threat to the country. That guy was responsible for over a dozen terrorist acts over the span of nearly 20 years. Yet he sits in jail.

 

[woolfe9999]

The topic of killing this guy came up under the Bush admin and they decided against it due to possible legal issues. Obama's administration took the next step.

Actually the issue was being evaluated legally when Obama took office. And Obama initially held off, even passing up opportunities because the legality was being ironed out. It's also worth noting that both the Fort Hood shooting and the underwear bomber came up on Obama's watch, and Alwlaki was linked to both. At the time that Bush left office, this guy was still considered a bit player. He was mainly a rhetorician for the Jihadists during the Bush years.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

As diabolical Communist Kenyan Muslim Manchurian candidate plants bent on the destruction of the US go, he's proven to be awfully good at killing Muslims. It never ceases to impress/make me sad how Republicans keep trying to go after the guy for being weak or whatever when he's turned out to be one of the coldest blooded killers of people I've ever seen. Bush and Cheney were pussies next to this guy.

(note: I don't think that's a good thing, but lots of people apparently do, hence my confusion)

You can say what you want about Obama, but he's still not as good of a whole-sale killer as bush. Bush wiped out an entire country for what turned out to be just because they threatened his pa.

Maybe if in his second term he invades Iran or Pakistan we can talk.

 

[Perknose]

I do not understand your comment? Was Lincoln the one who took up arms against the US?

Keep in mind, Lincoln pardoned just about everyone who took up arms against the US.

The north captured and held southerners in POW camps, those people were not put to death.

In fact, both sides took prisoners. Andersonville for example. After the war, the commander of Andersonville was court-marshaled for the way POWs were treated.

Uh, a not insignificant number were "put to death," summarily shot while trying to escape, or even for so much as stepping over a demarcated line, and in one instance, several were shot for sitting down when told not to!

Additionally, thousands of southern prisioners died unnecessarily in the brutal and horrid conditions of the camps.

Please read further into the history of your own country before you expound on it.

As for the fate of northern prisioners in southern camps, they fared even worse. One of my forebears died in Andersonville. Conditions there rivaled the Nazi death camps, though more from lack of resources than from an intentional policy. Still, thousands slowly and painfully starved to death.

As a kid, I saw pictures of survivors of Andersonville who were living skeletons. I'm sure most of them didn't survive for long. The image of those pics have stuck with me down through the years.

And, finally, the commandant of Andersonville wasn't just court-marshaled. He was executed, hung and left writhing and choking while thousands watched.

Apparently you didn't know this, either. :'(

Some Andersonville "survivors,' here ya' go:

 

[Arkaign]

If you think that the Al Maliki killing is a rare case, I hate to be the bearer of obvious news but the selective assassination of US citizens by the direction of US officials is NOT a rare thing. Operations are regularly carried out using assets both on and off US soil to eliminate targets that those in charge deem as necessary to 'erase'. I can't tell you what I know, but a fair estimate would be a few dozen people a year get the wet treatment, and their US citizenship is not an issue.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you had a child in the hands of a terrorist holding a gun to it's head and you are a sniper who has him in your sights. It you know you can put a bullet through the terrorists brain so he can't pull the trigger are you going to take the shot? The terrorist, by the way is an American citizen and has not been tried for anything. Who here would pay any attention to what the Constitution says? And if you had the power, but not the steady aim, would you order a real sniper to take the shot? Obama took the shot, thank God. How many innocent lives is airy fairy legal fantasy worth?

I remember a story told by a naturalist who watched a leopard stalk a tribe of baboons. When the leopard was noticed two young males dropped back and leapt on the it. One on the back and one at the throat immediately disemboweled, the second dead a moment later, the cat was fatally wounded. This is who we are. We will die to protect the innocent and we will kill. Anything different is an aberration. You do not allow evil a life to plot and kill as many innocent people as it can. Use the law if you may and any other way if not. Adult male primates will kill you if you try to kill the tribe. Sorry about that, you dreamers. Only the demented or damaged would not do the same. Break a tree limb off and swing it around. You'll feel right as rain.

 

[bfdd]

Really?

So Lincoln should have been arrested during the civil war?

Instead of being on a monument he should be remembered as a criminal?

I think most of the sane people on the left and right agree with the idea of kill terrorists whether they are American or not.

Yes Lincoln should have been arrested. What he did was illegal. That's a different debate and there's nothing we can fucking do about it now so why bring it up?

I agree with the killing of a treasonous ass like that, but I am not clear on the legality of it so I can't comment really.

 

[Theb]

Ok, which lefties and righties switched accounts recently? Watching right-wingers wring their hands over due process for Al Qaeda members and left-wingers on the 'you want to see the afterlife, we'll give you a lift' bus is one of the craziest things I've seen in this forum.

 

[dank69]

Anyone who fights and dies for what they believe, should receive a certain amount of respect. I may not agree with what Anwar al-Awlaki said or did, but I respect him for it.
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So if I believe that all jews should die, and I fight and die for that belief, I should be respected? What if I believed that pedophilia should be legal? Should I be respected if I fight and die for that cause?

Your question does not even warrant a reply.
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Why? Is it because you know your statement is bullshit, or do you stand by your statement, bolded above, and just don't understand how it applies to my question?

Perhaps you could clarify how the term 'anyone' does not include 'nazis.' Or perhaps you think that 'certain amount of respect' includes everything from admiration to a mocking disdain. Other than those two, highly laughable exceptions, there is nothing in my questions that warrants such a response from you.

 

[her209]

If you think that the Al Maliki killing is a rare case, I hate to be the bearer of obvious news but the selective assassination of US citizens by the direction of US officials is NOT a rare thing. Operations are regularly carried out using assets both on and off US soil to eliminate targets that those in charge deem as necessary to 'erase'. I can't tell you what I know, but a fair estimate would be a few dozen people a year get the wet treatment, and their US citizenship is not an issue.

The PM of Iraq?