Obama impeachment a possibility, says Ron Paul

[Genx87]

Yeah Bush also started a war in Iraq, which Obama opposed, that resulted in the death of how many Iraqis? Normally Eskimospy's posts are more level headed than that.

I cant speak for him but I took what he said as compared to Bush and Cheney on issues like killing an American citizen, wire tapping, privacy ect Obama is making Bush and cheney look like a pussies.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Anyone who applauds the murder of a US citizen without a trial, and no attempt to arrest, has not place serving in public office.

I see the US government becoming like nazi germany. The government tells the citizens we need to kill a certain group of people, and we blindly accept what the government tells us.

Non-US citizens are being kept prisoner without a trial, and US citizens are being hunted down and killed.

How much is enough?

Anyone that considers that sack of excrement (Anwar al-Awlaki) a US citizen is a traitor and should be be treated as such.

Sad to see that your blind hatred for our President has totally fucked up your judgement to the point you would be a supporter of terrorists.
And you also seem to know nothing about the rules of engagement in foreign wars and US citizenship. When you engage US troops in acts of war on foreign soil you give up all rights you may have had as a US citizen and are considered an enemy combatant and can be killed or held as a prisoner of war with no rights to a trial on US soil. Have you learned nothing in the last decade?

 

[Genx87]

Anyone that considers that sack of excrement (Anwar al-Awlaki) a US citizen is a traitor and should be be treated as such.

Sad to see that your blind hatred for our President has totally fucked up your judgement to the point you would be a supporter of terrorists.

What does the quality of the person and their views have to do with citizenship? I am sure there are people who consider you a sack of excrement. That wouldnt revoke your citizenships and the rights that come with it.

 

[Ausm]

What does the quality of the person and their views have to do with citizenship? I am sure there are people who consider you a sack of excrement. That wouldnt revoke your citizenships and the rights that come with it.

LOL It does with President Obama damn near every day

 

[Moonbeam]

Could be lucky enough to see obama impeached?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65035.html



My personal opinion, obama is a murderer. By signing the death order, obama acted as judge, jury and executioner.

He is far far far more than a murderer. He is possessed by a Demon. I believe, after extensive investigations, that the Demon is Mars, but I have not been able to specifically rule out Mayhem, whom I note, loves to destroy cars. Note the similarity between Mars and Cars? It may even be that Mars and Mayhem are one and the same Demon, as if May he m implies may he be Mars.

At any rate, you have vastly underestimated the danger you are in because Mars is the Demonic God of War and destruction, chaos and madness, bent on the demonic possession of the whole nation. If Mars can get a single finger through the IRON GATE, the Fatherly inspired glorious Constitution, he will pry it open bit by bit and this murder of a citizen was just such a test. If he is not impeached we are doomed. The hounds will sweep out of hell and consume us. One of the most powerful demons is at our door and possesses our President. You have no idea what's in store. A murderer, piff, you poor sad apologist for the Beast.

 

[Macamus Prime]

And most people in nazi germany were probably fine with lining jews up.

And most people in the 1700s and 1800s were fine with owning blacks as slaves.

Segmenting a group of people, and saying its "ok" to kill that group, is wrong.

I don't remember Jews going around killing Germans.

And I don't ever recall seeing anything about Africans hoping on a boat, crossing the Atlantic and killing Americans - which resulted in Americans hoping on a boat, crossing the Atlantic and enslaving Africans.

Holy crap, stay out of that hot Texan sun.

So - why did the Germans and Americans commit such horrific acts? Because they felt they were better than the Jews and Africans - and therefore they could do with them what they pleased.

 

[senseamp]

Could be lucky enough to see obama impeached?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65035.html



My personal opinion, obama is a murderer. By signing the death order, obama acted as judge, jury and executioner.

He acted as commander in chief in the war on terror.

 

[woolfe9999]

I cant speak for him but I took what he said as compared to Bush and Cheney on issues like killing an American citizen, wire tapping, privacy ect Obama is making Bush and cheney look like a pussies.

There isn't the slightest chance that Bush/Cheney or, for that matter, any POTUS we've had in decades, would not have taken out Alwaki given the chance. Not to mention the bulk of those in the GOP primary. I don't know about privacy and wiretapping.

 

[Darwin333]

Really?

So Lincoln should have been arrested during the civil war?

Instead of being on a monument he should be remembered as a criminal?

I think most of the sane people on the left and right agree with the idea of kill terrorists whether they are American or not.

Lincoln shredded the constitution and the bill of rights, he had the military arrest political dissenters and even issued an arrest warrant for a Chief Justice when he issued an opinion that Lincoln didn't like.

Do you believe that the entire Constitution can and should be essentially voided during times of war at the presidents whim? Keep in mind that today we are in basically a perpetual state of war with no real way to "win".

Do you truly believe that the President of the United States can and should have the power to be a dictator?

 

[Genx87]

There isn't the slightest chance that Bush/Cheney or, for that matter, any POTUS we've had in decades, would not have taken out Alwaki given the chance. Not to mention the bulk of those in the GOP primary. I don't know about privacy and wiretapping.

The topic of killing this guy came up under the Bush admin and they decided against it due to possible legal issues. Obama's administration took the next step.

 

[fskimospy]

Seriously? Bush and Cheney removed an entire country from the control of an Islamic fundamentalist group directly and materially supporting a terrorist group which had just killed thousands of Americans and they are pussies compared to Obama?

I too think Obama has done an excellent job fighting the terrorists. I just don't have my liberal blinders on when I see anyone not sharing my world vision.

Liberal, what? I think Obama has carried on a shameful legacy, and that's what I was referring to. The civil liberties shredding that Bush and Cheney did was amateur hour. Well, except the whole torture thing. That was pretty good as far as war crimes go.

 

[Darwin333]

Anyone that considers that sack of excrement (Anwar al-Awlaki) a US citizen is a traitor and should be be treated as such.

So you think that any American Citizen that uses their right to free speech but disagrees with you should be shot with a hellfire missile from a drone?

At least we know where you stand on the entire "freedom" issue...

 

[Texashiker]

Anyone that considers that sack of excrement (Anwar al-Awlaki) a US citizen is a traitor and should be be treated as such.

The US was founded on rebellion.

Should we consider Thomas Jefferson and George Washington terrorist because they fought against the king of England?

If anything, Anwar al-Awlaki is a patriot, he fought and died for what he believed.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

What does the quality of the person and their views have to do with citizenship? I am sure there are people who consider you a sack of excrement. That wouldnt revoke your citizenships and the rights that come with it.

Has nothing to do with quality of person or views. When you openly attack the US or its allies on foreign soil you automatically lose your rights of citizenship. You engage US troops on foreign soil and you are an enemy combatant and you die, end of story.

And it doesn't suprise me one bit that you would stoop to defending a terrorist that has attacked the US on several occasions to support your hatred of our president.

 

[Texashiker]

Has nothing to do with quality of person or views. When you openly attack the US or its allies on foreign soil you automatically lose your rights of citizenship.

Please provide a link to the law you are referring to?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

The US was founded on rebellion.

Should we consider Thomas Jefferson and George Washington terrorist because they fought against the king of England?

If anything, Anwar al-Awlaki is a patriot, he fought and died for what he believed.

What a patriot you are

So anyone who attacks the US is a patriot because you hate our black president. Got ya!
You and al-Awlaki were made for each other. You should move to Yemen and fight alongside your fellow patriots.

 

[ProfJohn]

I do not understand your comment? Was Lincoln the one who took up arms against the US?

Keep in mind, Lincoln pardoned just about everyone who took up arms against the US.

The north captured and held southerners in POW camps, those people were not put to death.

In fact, both sides took prisoners. Andersonville for example. After the war, the commander of Andersonville was court-marshaled for the way POWs were treated.

At Gettysburg we didn't try to arrest confederate soldiers.

Pickets charge was not a charge of lawyers with warrants.

These two openly stated that they were in a state of war against the US. These weren't innocent people caught up in some trip to Yemen gone wrong.

If you put yourself in a state of war against a country and you incite others to join that war then you make yourself a target.

 

[ProfJohn]

The US was founded on rebellion.

Should we consider Thomas Jefferson and George Washington terrorist because they fought against the king of England?

If anything, Anwar al-Awlaki is a patriot, he fought and died for what he believed.

England would consider them criminals and if they had caught either of them they would have hung them from a tree and would have had every right to do so.

You forget the fact that victors write the history books and had we lost the revolution wouldn't be held in such high regard.

 

[Texashiker]

So anyone who attacks the US is a patriot because you hate our black president.

Anyone who fights and dies for what they believe, should receive a certain amount of respect. I may not agree with what Anwar al-Awlaki said or did, but I respect him for it.

As for obama, I have no respect for him.

It seems that anyone who speaks out against US foreign policy is being targeted.

People should have the right to voice their opinions, especially US citizens. It is not the governments place to put someone to death for what they say.

Since when can the US government put someone to death for talking?

 

[K1052]

Lincoln shredded the constitution and the bill of rights, he had the military arrest political dissenters and even issued an arrest warrant for a Chief Justice when he issued an opinion that Lincoln didn't like.

Do you believe that the entire Constitution can and should be essentially voided during times of war at the presidents whim? Keep in mind that today we are in basically a perpetual state of war with no real way to "win".

Do you truly believe that the President of the United States can and should have the power to be a dictator?

Arguably Lincoln's circumstances were extraordinary and no US President has been faced with such a situation, before or since. That should however not excuse some of his actions during the war. Had he not been assassinated his legend/reputation would not have been placed beyond reproach for a century.

 

[Genx87]

Has nothing to do with quality of person or views. When you openly attack the US or its allies on foreign soil you automatically lose your rights of citizenship. You engage US troops on foreign soil and you are an enemy combatant and you die, end of story.

And it doesn't suprise me one bit that you would stoop to defending a terrorist that has attacked the US on several occasions to support your hatred of our president.

It has everything to do with his views and what he has said as he has never directly attacked Americans except with his words.

And what you said about losing your citizenship due to fighting us on a battlefield is absurd. It has no basis in reality. And in the past United States citizens have fought against US armed forces and were given trials after the war. Imagine that, due process!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

I am not defending a terrorist. I am attacking the action of killing an American citizen without due process. It saddens me you dont understand the difference.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Please provide a link to the law you are referring to?

It's called the Geneva Convention look it up


The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 states that legal rights are extended to combatants only if they are under the command of a recognizable person responsible for his subordinates, are wearing or displaying a distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, are carrying arms openly, and conduct themselves according to international laws of war. Unless ALL of these conditions are met, the combatants may be considered francs-tireurs (in the original sense of "illegal combatant") whose punishment may include summary execution.

A very famous case of this was recorded on film and in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph in Vietnam on February 1, 1968, when Nguyen Van Lem, a Viet Cong guerilla, was summarily executed by Nguy?n Ng?c Loan, the chief of the national police.

Neither Lem nor al-Awlaki met the Convention’s requirements, and under international law their executions were legal.
There is nothing that says we must “fight fair” with extranational forces whose actions – indeed, whose very existence – is largely unanticipated by the laws of war.

 

[Genx87]

It's called the Geneva Convention look it up


The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 states that legal rights are extended to combatants only if they are under the command of a recognizable person responsible for his subordinates, are wearing or displaying a distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, are carrying arms openly, and conduct themselves according to international laws of war. Unless ALL of these conditions are met, the combatants may be considered francs-tireurs (in the original sense of "illegal combatant") whose punishment may include summary execution.

A very famous case of this was recorded on film and in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph in Vietnam on February 1, 1968, when Nguyen Van Lem, a Viet Cong guerilla, was summarily executed by Nguy?n Ng?c Loan, the chief of the national police.

Neither Lem nor al-Awlaki met the Convention’s requirements, and under international law their executions were legal.
There is nothing that says we must “fight fair” with extranational forces whose actions – indeed, whose very existence – is largely unanticipated by the laws of war.

You should know better the geneva convention does not trump our constitution.

 

[Texashiker]

It's called the Geneva Convention look it up

No treaty can override our Constitution.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm

1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.

There was a case a few months ago where Texas put a mexican national to death. I think the US government tried to interfere and citied a treaty with Mexico. The case was thrown out because the states are not subject to treaties with other countries.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

It has everything to do with his views and what he has said as he has never directly attacked Americans except with his words.

And what you said about losing your citizenship due to fighting us on a battlefield is absurd. It has no basis in reality. And in the past United States citizens have fought against US armed forces and were given trials after the war. Imagine that, due process!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

I am not defending a terrorist. I am attacking the action of killing an American citizen without due process. It saddens me you dont understand the difference.

Totally irrelevant comparison. But by all means join your nutter hero Ron Paul and proceed with impeachment proceedings And let me know how that works out for ya. Or better yet go join al-Awhackjobs peaceful protesting brothers in Yemen