Obama forces goverment to make most painfull cuts

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I wouldn't do anything that I felt would actively harm the country, no.

But having been put in this ridiculous position by a bunch of assholes, I sure wouldn't bend over backwards to accomodate them in how the cuts were made.
On the surface...you've made two contradictory statements...one is a lie....you chose.

Would you bend over backwards to help the American people? Dems aren't lifting a finger.
 
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unokitty

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I wouldn't do anything that I felt would actively harm the country, no.

But having been put in this ridiculous position by a bunch of assholes, I sure wouldn't bend over backwards to accomodate them in how the cuts were made.


You are absolutely right!

Why should the President provide anything for anyone that didn't vote for him?

How can anyone expect the President to reward the people that voted for him without more spending?

What part of just shut up and support more spending do these people not understand?

Uno
 
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I wouldn't do anything that I felt would actively harm the country, no.

But having been put in this ridiculous position by a bunch of assholes, I sure wouldn't bend over backwards to accomodate them in how the cuts were made.

Answer this then :D

If it were me, I'd make 100% of the cuts directly target our so-called "defense" department and any other programs that Republicans favor.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Would you bend over backwards to help the American people? Dems aren't lifting a finger.

Prove it.

The Republicans gave a shit about the American people by instigating this sequester in the first place, right? Well, we already know what their priorities were, the traitor McConnell said it flatly: "Make Obama a one-term president".

And the winner of the bigest partisian hack award goes to..........

... the people who think the Republicans should create a mess and then blame it on Obama, of course.
 
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Prove it.
To date....they've refused to negotiate on how the spending cuts could be structured to minimize impact. The proof is in the pudding.

The Republicans gave a shit about the American people by instigating this sequester in the first place, right? Well, we already know what their priorities were, the traitor McConnell said it flatly: "Make Obama a one-term president".
Please answer Post #124 assuming you're actually open to discussion.
 

cybrsage

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Prove it.

The Republicans gave a shit about the American people by instigating this sequester in the first place, right? Well, we already know what their priorities were, the traitor McConnell said it flatly: "Make Obama a one-term president".



... the people who think the Republicans should create a mess and then blame it on Obama, of course.

By now, everyone knows Obama came up with the sequester. Pretending Obama is a republican is stupid, stop doing it.
 

Charles Kozierok

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To date....they've refused to negotiate on how the spending cuts could be structured to minimize impact.sion.

Still waiting for a credible source on that.

I'm shocked that anyone would think you're highly partisan....shocked I tell you! :rolleyes:

The fact is that I take positions that alternately support and piss off people on the right and left. People like michal1980 are hacks because all they ever do is parrot right-wing talking points.

You're better, but not a lot.

The sequester was agreed to by Democrats if deficit reduction negotiations failed...yet for some reason you don't feel they deserve any blame for their failure to live up to their agreement.

Show me proof that they have "failed to live up to their agreement".

The failure of deficit reduction negotiations initiated the sequester process that was entirely related to spending cuts (agreed to by Democrats and signed into law by Obama).

The sequester process occurred only because of GOP extortion.

In fact, Obama stated that he would veto any attempt by Congress to cancel the sequester agreement! Tax increases were not part of that agreement. Dems reneged on their agreement by insisting on tax increases as a premise for any negotiations regarding a more sane approach to minimize impact of the sequester cuts. They had their chance to negotiate tax increases as part of deficit reduction negotiations which failed. They agreed to the sequester spending cuts if negotiations failed.

Lots of claims. No evidence.

You keep going back to an argument that this wouldn't have been a problem if Republicans hadn't used the debt ceiling to leverage spending cuts. Using your "logic", this wouldn't have been a problem if Democrats just agreed to everything the Republicans wanted.

Sorry, but that's not logical at all.

Obama wasn't asking the GOP to "agree to everything he wanted". He was asking them to raise the debt ceiling required to cover the debt they incurred. They held the country hostage instead, and this clusterfuck is the result.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Democrats are playing politics with this. I just find it laughable in the extreme that the right-wing-nuts want to absolve the party that created the mess in favor of whining about the other party not "making the mess less messy".

It's all rather reminiscent of conservative asswipes who started complaining about the economy after Obama had been in office all of a week, and haven't stopped since. This was summarized aptly as "the Republicans are upset that we're not cleaning up their disaster quickly enough".

The GOP created this. If they don't like the Democrats' response to it, well, tough shit.
 

michal1980

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The fact is that I take positions that alternately support and piss off people on the right and left. People like michal1980 are hacks because all they ever do is parrot right-wing talking points.

Sorry I dont get any right wing talking points. Care to fill me in on what they are? Since per your own statement your an uber hack, you must know.
 

werepossum

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This is why the country is fucked. The gop is hell bent on destroying Obama at any cost, and Obama is hell bent on destroying the GOP at any cost. Nobody cares about actually leading the country.
Well said indeed.

And somehow pay the cost of 20 people working.
:D True.

it's typical Fireman First Policy.

rather than minimizing the impact of spending cuts, they want to make them as noticeable as possible to push the GOP into accepting a deal.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...9/the-washington-monument-sequester-strategy/
Quite true. This is why I was neither surprised nor particularly pissed when I saw Obama telling government workers to make the sequester cuts as painful as possible. When we in Tennessee had a governor trying to get a state income tax passed, he shut down all the state parks even though federal agreements on operating some of them meant the shut-down actually cost the state money. Politicians above a local level are almost universally willing and eager to do as much damage as possible to get their own way, under the assumption that their way is the best way and therefore better for the people in the long run.

There's a reason that people say Congress is essentially kindergarten without adult supervision, and one can equally include the White House in that.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Liar. The sequester was Obama's idea. Stop purposefully spreading misinformation.

The sequester would never have happened if the GOP had not held the country hostage over the debt ceiling.

Period.

If Obama proposed it, it was part of trying to get a deal made, a situation he was forced into. And, I'll point out, the GOP was very supportive of the idea.

The truth hurts, I know. Sorry about that.
 

werepossum

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:D +1

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Just to defend good government, Japanese quail and woodchucks are seriously underrepresented in Internet porn, and I for one am glad to find out that the $500,000 I set aside to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe (to have a cool place to practice my komungo before my big Sewer National Park performance in Trenton) isn't nearly enough. Have to wonder about those gold-embossed playing cards though. Maybe they have woodchuck porn?

So not raising the debt ceiling which caused all of this was Obama and the dems fault? Despite the fact that the debt ceiling has been raised under every president?

http://factcheck.org/2013/03/underselling-the-sequester-cuts/

I'll quote the relevant part for you



Compromise means both parties agreed to it. Having to strike a deal just to raise the debt ceiling, something that's been done under every president? There is only one party to blame for that and it's not the dems or Obama. You can't spin it any other way unless reality is foreign to you.
Our national debt is now greater than our GDP and is rapidly growing. At some point, surely even the dullest blade realizes that perhaps it's time to stop automatically raising the debt ceiling.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Our national debt is now greater than our GDP and is rapidly growing. At some point, surely even the dullest blade realizes that perhaps it's time to stop automatically raising the debt ceiling.

That's not a particularly sharp point itself. It's sort of like a person who's getting too fat for his pants deciding to fix this by continuing to keep overeating and not exercising, but refusing to get a bigger set of pants.

You reduce debt by increasing revenues and decreasing expenditures. Not by incurring deficits and then defaulting on them.
 

BoberFett

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The sequester would never have happened if the GOP had not held the country hostage over the debt ceiling.

Period.

If Obama proposed it, it was part of trying to get a deal made, a situation he was forced into. And, I'll point out, the GOP was very supportive of the idea.

The truth hurts, I know. Sorry about that.

Isn't that called compromise? The Democrats get their debt ceiling increase, the Republicans get their spending decrease. Aren't Democrats furious that the Republicans aren't willing to compromise? Now the Democrats are backing out on their side of the compromise, and wondering why the Republicans aren't willing to compromise? The whole thing is childish, and Democrats look like shit.
 

ivwshane

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:D +1


Just to defend good government, Japanese quail and woodchucks are seriously underrepresented in Internet porn, and I for one am glad to find out that the $500,000 I set aside to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe (to have a cool place to practice my komungo before my big Sewer National Park performance in Trenton) isn't nearly enough. Have to wonder about those gold-embossed playing cards though. Maybe they have woodchuck porn?


Our national debt is now greater than our GDP and is rapidly growing. At some point, surely even the dullest blade realizes that perhaps it's time to stop automatically raising the debt ceiling.

You would first have to understand what the debt ceiling is, you do not;)

Even the dullest blade realizes that not paying your credit card bill doesn't reduce your debt.
 

BoberFett

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You would first have to understand what the debt ceiling is, you do not;)

Even the dullest blade realizes that not paying your credit card bill doesn't reduce your debt.

No, but maxing out your credit card and the credit card company refusing to increase your limit would certainly prevent you from digging an even deeper hole, forcing you to cut back spending.

For someone who is calling others "dull blades" you sure threw out a horrible analogy.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Isn't that called compromise? The Democrats get their debt ceiling increase, the Republicans get their spending decrease. Aren't Democrats furious that the Republicans aren't willing to compromise? Now the Democrats are backing out on their side of the compromise, and wondering why the Republicans aren't willing to compromise? The whole thing is childish, and Democrats look like shit.

What is this crock of shit: "Democrats get their debt ceiling increase"?

The debt ceiling needed to be increased because we spent more than we took in. Congress passes the bills that spend money. Congress is not controlled solely by Democrats.

The debt ceiling had to be raised because if it hadn't, it would have caused a gigantic mess for everyone.

How amazingly telling that you even make a statement like "Democrats get their debt ceiling increase". Unbelievable.
 

ivwshane

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No, but maxing out your credit card and the credit card company refusing to increase your limit would certainly prevent you from digging an even deeper hole, forcing you to cut back spending.

For someone who is calling others "dull blades" you sure threw out a horrible analogy.

Like I said, you would first have to understand the debt ceiling. Clearly you don't understand it either.

Here because I'm tired of you guys looking like idiots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_ceiling

Since expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.

My analogy works fine;)
 

cybrsage

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The sequester would never have happened if the GOP had not held the country hostage over the debt ceiling.

Period.

If Obama proposed it, it was part of trying to get a deal made, a situation he was forced into. And, I'll point out, the GOP was very supportive of the idea.

The sequester would never have happened if Obama had not proposed it. See how that works? Blame the republicans for what Obama created and proposed shows you are a partisan, biased, shill.

You keep pretending it is not a known fact that Obama proposed it. Stop pretending that, it is a purposeful spreading of misinformation and you should not do it.

Obama came up with the idea and the one who proposed it to Congress. Accept that and stop lying about it. It is a wonder they even allow you to remain on the anandtech forums with all your lies and purposeful spreading of misinformation.
 

Zorkorist

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It's just like when Obama woke up one morning and decided to promote socialized medicine.

'goin with the flow.

-John
 

UberNeuman

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The sequester would never have happened if Obama had not proposed it. See how that works? Blame the republicans for what Obama created and proposed shows you are a partisan, biased, shill.

You keep pretending it is not a known fact that Obama proposed it. Stop pretending that, it is a purposeful spreading of misinformation and you should not do it.

Obama came up with the idea and the one who proposed it to Congress. Accept that and stop lying about it. It is a wonder they even allow you to remain on the anandtech forums with all your lies and purposeful spreading of misinformation.

You got just what you wanted.... deal with it...

\like pouring salt on a slug....
 
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wirednuts

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I don't like Obama and I disagree with most of his policies, but I just don't see how one could reasonably conclude that he's simply trying to destroy the country.

wow, a word of wisdom.

the gop would block obama if he wanted to announce jeb bush as president. it doesnt matter what obama wants, the repubs will block it. this was proven the first 4 years, its well documented.

obama got pissed at the gop. he tried to work with them, but now he has no choice but to play their games. they wanted a stupid sequester that wont do anything but hurt everyone? thats what they get then because no matter what, the gop wont stop bitching.
 

Charles Kozierok

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The sequester would never have happened if Obama had not proposed it. See how that works?

Yes, I do. You ignore the first action in a sequence because it doesn't suit your propaganda agenda, and instead focus on the second.

Sorry, you don't get to cast blame on someone for reacting to something instigated by someone else and pretend the instigating never happened. (Well, I should say, rational and honest people don't. That's never really applied to you.)

Your entire position is like those cases where someone breaks into a house, gets injured and sues the homeowner.