Obama: Europe should better integrate Muslims

cabri

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US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

Bend over for them?

The communities do not want to integrate; they want it their way.
 

PokerGuy

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Our village idiot residing in the white house speaks again. Ugh.

You can't forcibly assimilate big chunks of population that don't want to assimilate. Their idea of "assimilation" is for the host country to comply with their demands and change their way to suit the desires of the crazies.

The US has it's own mass immigration without integration issue -- minus the islamo-crazy factor.
 

Fern

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The immigrants have access to public schools; the rest is up to them.

France has no hope of just giving them jobs etc. Their unemployment has always been high.

Fern
 

Kadarin

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Obama should shut the fuck up and listen to Bill Clinton.

Remember, we are talking about the President who sent three White House officials to the funeral of a thug who robbed a liquor store, but who also chose not to bother attending a gathering of world leaders who were marching to denounce a brutal Islamic attack against freedom of expression. Wrong sense of priorities there, Obama.
 
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werepossum

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Obama should shut the fuck up and listen to Bill Clinton.

Remember, we are talking about the President who sent three White House officials to the funeral of a thug who robbed a liquor store, but who also chose not to bother attending a gathering of world leaders who were marching to denounce a brutal Islamic attack against freedom of expression. Wrong sense of priorities there, Obama.
Yep.

Although personally I'm still basking in the warm glow of the assets seizure rules, so the stupid thing he said that might one day affect me doesn't really seem that bad.
 

Angry Irishman

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But he possesses all the characteristics of a true leader. There is nothing that him and James Taylor can't fix.
 

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A massive percentage of european Muslims support sharia law and a majority actually endorse prosecuton for people drawing cartoons of Muhammad. How do you assimilate this exactly with values and laws that contradict such views?
 

Jaskalas

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Obama should shut the fuck up and listen to Bill Clinton.

Remember, we are talking about the President who sent three White House officials to the funeral of a thug who robbed a liquor store, but who also chose not to bother attending a gathering of world leaders who were marching to denounce a brutal Islamic attack against freedom of expression. Wrong sense of priorities there, Obama.

I think the President speaks for himself on this one.

Obama: The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam
 

ivwshane

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Idiots who don't bother reading the article and don't understand Obamas quote in context? Priceless!

What Obama said is absolutely correct. You create more terrorist sympathizers by alienating your fellow citizens, you fight terrorism by making your citizens more patriotic and incorporating them so they have strong ties to their new country. Alienating them only reinforces the terrorists message and it becomes an us vs them fight and people don't generally take the side that shitted on them.


But that's too complicated for you knuckle draggers.
 

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Bend over for them?

The communities do not want to integrate; they want it their way.

US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

I agree actually.

Just slam away on anything he says to make an issue out of it, whatever.

Seems to me he's kinda telling Europe your going to have to start handling this problem on your own.
 
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A massive percentage of european Muslims support sharia law and a majority actually endorse prosecuton for people drawing cartoons of Muhammad. How do you assimilate this exactly with values and laws that contradict such views?

My sentiments exactly. You can't integrate people into your western society if they cling to core beliefs that contradict secularism and freedom.

Europe brought this problem on themselves by allowing mass immigration of people who adhere to a religion that is incompatible with core western values and freedom. Now they have few good options.
 

nickqt

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Our village idiot residing in the white house speaks again. Ugh.

You can't forcibly assimilate big chunks of population that don't want to assimilate. Their idea of "assimilation" is for the host country to comply with their demands and change their way to suit the desires of the crazies.

The US has it's own mass immigration without integration issue -- minus the islamo-crazy factor.

What parts don't want to assimilate?

Have any final solutions to stop those evil J̶e̶w̶s̶ Muslims from ruining Europe.

Germany for Germans!

Same ol' same ol.
 

rommelrommel

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lol, Obama has been even more of a nightmare to civil liberties than Bush was and he wants to lecture Europe about being heavy handed?
 

nickqt

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lol, Obama has been even more of a nightmare to civil liberties than Bush was and he wants to lecture Europe about being heavy handed?
Laughable.

Free Speech Zones.

Torture,

Killing a few hundred thousand people in the wrong country.

Yes, Obama is clearly worse than Bush.

Laughable.
 

rommelrommel

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NSA powers expanded and basically given carte blanche.

Summary execution of US citizens authorized.

Total shoulder shrug over Bush presidency abuses such as Guantanamo and torture.

Explicit targeting of journalists critical of the US.

Total war on whistleblowers.

Yes, Obama has managed to not start a land war. I give him full points for that but still find him more dangerous to liberty, especially since so many are deluded into thinking that he's defending it.
 

Subyman

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Obama is so weird. Rubs off muslims while taking a decent stance on net neutrality. I'm so torn.
 

halik

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A massive percentage of european Muslims support sharia law and a majority actually endorse prosecuton for people drawing cartoons of Muhammad. How do you assimilate this exactly with values and laws that contradict such views?

Yeah, the poll of muslims that agreed that sharia takes precedence over secular laws of the land was north of 70%.

Honestly the real issue is the adverse selection of Muslims seeking asylum in Europe - these aren't Oxford educated Saudis that party in vegas and then go to the Mosque so their parents don't get pissed. The muslims that end up as refugees in Europe are the ones with no resources - you essentially end up with large clusters of the poorest and least educated Muslims in EU and stupid shit like killing people over cartoons happens.
 
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Jaskalas

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Of the two civilizations... which is assimilating the other?
Does better accommodation accelerate what is seen as losses by Europeans?

Being at the forefront of a clash of civilizations, I do not know if Europe has the time or stamina necessary to prune a few moderates before fighting intensifies. The immigrants do not want integration... they want to assimilate their host. At some point Europe has to say no.
 

nickqt

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NSA powers expanded and basically given carte blanche.

Summary execution of US citizens authorized.

Total shoulder shrug over Bush presidency abuses such as Guantanamo and torture.

Explicit targeting of journalists critical of the US.

Total war on whistleblowers.

Yes, Obama has managed to not start a land war. I give him full points for that but still find him more dangerous to liberty, especially since so many are deluded into thinking that he's defending it.

NSA powers continued from their initial creation in 1947: Clearly Obama ramping up the security state!

Summary execution of US citizens: You have to be ignorant to think this is in any way new. And of course it's one thing to hate Muslims, it's another thing when Obama kills one who preaches terrorism...totally evil...lol.

Ending torture program of Bush, and like every other administration, not attacking the previous administration out of deference to the office. Yes, totally new! Remember when Gerald Ford prosecuted Nixon! And when George H. W. Bush prosecuted Reagan! LOL!

Total war against journalists and whistleblowers: Laughably stupid. Total war, yeah, they've all been disappeared. Except they haven't, here in observable reality.

And let's not forget to totally ignore that Obama's DOJ has been pretty lenient regarding legalized cannabis, medicinal and recreational.

Oh, and totally forget about this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html

Because acknowledging that Obama isn't the worst President in the history of history, but is relatively decent given the decline of our morally bankrupt Empire and Culture...doesn't give the rest of us such a morally superior stance on which to look askance.