Obama creating an art propaganda machine?

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My friend seems to think so.

He linked me to this blog to provide proof. I won't post the article because it would be a huge wall of text. So, then knowing that my friend is anti-Obama and constantly posts stuff about how Obama is basically going to be the end of the US, I decided to do my own research on the guy who wrote the blog (my friend was claiming he was directly contacted by the NEA).

Well, putting his name in Google took me to this article on Fox about it. While Fox isn't unbiased, the article provides a much more centered view than that blog. Here is the text from Fox:

A 39-year-old Los Angeles film producer is accusing the National Endowment for the Arts of initiating a "call to action" to artists to support President Obama's domestic agenda.

The film producer, Patrick Courrielche, said he was one of roughly 75 artists, musicians, writers, poets and others on an Aug. 10 conference call hosted by the NEA, the White House Office of Public Engagement and United We Serve, a nationwide initiative launched by Obama to increase volunteerism.

Courrielche said officials on the hour-long call -- including NEA Director of Communications Yosi Sergant and Michael Skolnik, political director for hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons -- encouraged the artists on the line to create works of art in their respective fields related to health care, energy and the environment.

"What I heard was a well thought-out pitch to encourage artists to create art on these issues," Courrielche told FOXNews.com. "We were told we were consulted for a reason, and they specifically stated those issues as the issues we should focus on, to plant the seed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what they're attempting to do."

The NEA did not respond to several requests for comment, but others familiar with the conference call dispute Courrielche's version of events, saying the purpose was a broad pitch for artworks on the theme of public service.

Siobhan Dugan, a spokeswoman for United We Serve, said the call was organized by an "individual interested" in the group and was unable to provide a list of those invited to participate on the call.

"The service that we are encouraging through United We Serve is taking place with no direct tie to any policy initiative, but instead focuses on the areas of the greatest need of our nation and our neighborhoods," Dugan said in a statement to FOXNews.com.

Thomas Bates, vice president of civic engagement for Rock the Vote, confirmed to FOXNews.com he was on the call, saying he was invited by officials at United We Serve. He doesn't agree with Courrielche that there was a political undercurrent.

"I don't remember it that way," Bates said. "The call I was on was about engaging artists in ongoing service projects, including on Sept. 11."

Bates said his participation in the call revolved around a proposed service event in Chicago that his organization had considered. He did not elaborate.

Told of Bates' denial that artists were encouraged to produce art in certain areas, Courrielche said he omitted an "essential, specific aspect" of the conference call.

"The word volunteerism was never used," Courrielche said. "Service was the word being used and it was in specific areas, those being health care, energy and the environment."

Courrielche said the now ubiquitous Obama "Hope" poster by artist Shepard Fairey and musician will.i.am's "Yes We Can" song and music video were offered as "shining examples" of the artist group's clear impact on Obama's landslide election.

The "potential propaganda machine," Courrielche said, is concerning on many levels.

"The issue that troubles me the most is that the NEA was set up to promote the arts," he said. "If you have a meeting where you're trying to set up a machine that does your bidding, a propaganda machine, that's not what the National Endowment for Arts is for."

Moderators on the conference call did not specify whether any piece of subsequent artwork should be supportive or critical of the president's agenda in key areas like health care and the environment.

"For me, it was implied," said Courrielche, adding he felt the NEA "tainted" the artistic process.

Courrielche, who said he took extensive notes during the call, recalled one particular passage he attributed to Skolink, who acted a moderator on the call.

"So what I had hoped in bringing this group together," Skolnik said, according to Courrielche, "with the great hosts that again I want to thank for reaching out to their communities, was that we could begin to bring together our community in the same enthusiasm, with the same enthusiasm, and with the same energy that we all saw each other during the campaign, and we continue to work together on issues as important as United We Serve, and service, and begin here and continue to work together on other issues that we feel are important as was mentioned, some of them health care and others."

Courrielche also wrote up his experiences for Big Hollywood.

Reached by FOXNews.com on Friday, Skolnik declined to comment for this story.

Dugan said the group was not aware of the conference call leading to any new artwork or campaigns.

"Organizations and people from all political persuasions and beliefs continue to support community service as one part of the solution to the economic crisis and the recovery efforts," she said. "There are no government funds provided or funding incentives given to organizations or individuals to participate or encourage community service as part of United We Serve."

Courrielche, who said he felt compelled to speak out about the call, said unidentified members of the press were also on the call.

"I felt like I needed to say something about it," he said. "Now I think if [a piece of art] comes out, you have to question it, did it come from this meeting? This is the exact argument for why an agency like this shouldn't exist."

So, is Obama trying to create an art propaganda machine to control the general population?


 

sandorski

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So what's essentially an Advertising Campaign is now Conspiracy? This is going to be a long 4-8 years.
 

Modelworks

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It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.
 

fskimospy

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Art propaganda machine not found.

The NEA can choose what it wants to fund, and funding art promoting public service is totally legit. Nothing in that article showed that just because they mentioned two pieces of art from the campaign that elicited a sincere cultural response (which is a simple factual statement) that they wanted more 'pro obama artwork'.

Your friend sounds like one of those hyperpartisans who has filled in a lot of blanks with his mind, quite a few more than he should have.
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Art propaganda machine not found.

The NEA can choose what it wants to fund, and funding art promoting public service is totally legit. Nothing in that article showed that just because they mentioned two pieces of art from the campaign that elicited a sincere cultural response (which is a simple factual statement) that they wanted more 'pro obama artwork'.

Your friend sounds like one of those hyperpartisans who has filled in a lot of blanks with his mind, quite a few more than he should have.

He watches Glenn Beck, watches Fox news most often, is in the military, and I have yet to see one thing that isn't "OMG OBAMA IS GOING TO (insert whatever that is going to be the end of the nation here)!!!!!" from him.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Art propaganda machine not found.

The NEA can choose what it wants to fund, and funding art promoting public service is totally legit. Nothing in that article showed that just because they mentioned two pieces of art from the campaign that elicited a sincere cultural response (which is a simple factual statement) that they wanted more 'pro obama artwork'.

Your friend sounds like one of those hyperpartisans who has filled in a lot of blanks with his mind, quite a few more than he should have.

He watches Glenn Beck, watches Fox news most often, is in the military, and I have yet to see one thing that isn't "OMG OBAMA IS GOING TO (insert whatever that is going to be the end of the nation here)!!!!!" from him.

hehe
 

umbrella39

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Yep, the FUD machine has been spitting out idiots for years. Sadly these idiots found other like idiots to reproduce with and had idiot children who are now grown adults who are passing down the dumb gene to their kids. These people believe anything the echo chamber tells them to believe and get scared to come out from underneath their beds unless some talking head tells them the coast is clear. Welcome to 2009 version of the GOP.
 

Modelworks

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I think many here are uninformed about the NEA. The NEA is supposed to choose funding based on the merit of the work, not the political views of the work. The conference call was about how people who create art that favors the white house policies may be given preference in funding. It wasn't about how people should create art like the NEA formerly stood for, but more sounded like a "you take care of me I'll take care of you" type of speech. Do you really think that it is fair that artists be chosen to be supported based on their political views vs what skill they actually have ? And then pay for that with taxpayer money ?

It is suppose to be an independent agency, not a political one.
 

TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.

umm, "Advertising" for what? These are taxpayer dollars we're talking about here, not private donations to campaigns or PACs.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think many here are uninformed about the NEA. The NEA is supposed to choose funding based on the merit of the work, not the political views of the work. The conference call was about how people who create art that favors the white house policies may be given preference in funding. It wasn't about how people should create art like the NEA formerly stood for, but more sounded like a "you take care of me I'll take care of you" type of speech. Do you really think that it is fair that artists be chosen to be supported based on their political views vs what skill they actually have ? And then pay for that with taxpayer money ?

It is suppose to be an independent agency, not a political one.

404 error--Political View not found

This is to promote Volunteerism, not a Political view.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.

umm, "Advertising" for what? These are taxpayer dollars we're talking about here, not funds donated to campaigns or PACs.

Volunteering.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think many here are uninformed about the NEA. The NEA is supposed to choose funding based on the merit of the work, not the political views of the work. The conference call was about how people who create art that favors the white house policies may be given preference in funding. It wasn't about how people should create art like the NEA formerly stood for, but more sounded like a "you take care of me I'll take care of you" type of speech. Do you really think that it is fair that artists be chosen to be supported based on their political views vs what skill they actually have ? And then pay for that with taxpayer money ?

It is suppose to be an independent agency, not a political one.

404 error--Political View not found

This is to promote Volunteerism, not a Political view.

You obviously haven't heard the conference call.

 

BarrySotero

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No surprise here - this is what Obama and Obamabots do. They organize into echo chambers and program themselves with propaganda and talking points and then hope they can influence other people with it. Thanks to MSM which is now GRM (Gov Run Media) it all worked last summer but it's falling flat now - like that creepy talk the Chairrman is going to give the school kiddies.


Look at the rubbish the kids will get asked after the speech - its reads like a cult or summin:


Who is the President of the United States?
What do you think it takes to be President?
To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking?
Why do you think he wants to speak to you?
What do you think he will say to you?
What is the President trying to tell me?
What is the President asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama?s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009


I hope parents keep their kids home that day and duck this weirdo
 

TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.

umm, "Advertising" for what? These are taxpayer dollars we're talking about here, not funds donated to campaigns or PACs.

Volunteering.
I think it would be VERY inappropriate -- borderline illegal -- to use taxpayer dollars to fund "advertising" for any particular political agenda or policy, including "volunteering."

Does this really seem like an appropriate use of our tax money to you? Really?!
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think many here are uninformed about the NEA. The NEA is supposed to choose funding based on the merit of the work, not the political views of the work. The conference call was about how people who create art that favors the white house policies may be given preference in funding. It wasn't about how people should create art like the NEA formerly stood for, but more sounded like a "you take care of me I'll take care of you" type of speech. Do you really think that it is fair that artists be chosen to be supported based on their political views vs what skill they actually have ? And then pay for that with taxpayer money ?

It is suppose to be an independent agency, not a political one.

Maybe they went too far politicizing the agenda (maybe not); that's a fary cry from the OP's hysteria.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.

umm, "Advertising" for what? These are taxpayer dollars we're talking about here, not funds donated to campaigns or PACs.

Volunteering.
I think it would be VERY inappropriate -- borderline illegal -- to use taxpayer dollars to fund "advertising" for any particular political agenda or policy, including "volunteering."

Does this really seem like an appropriate use of our tax money to you? Really?!

Smokie the Bear. Illegal?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Art propaganda machine not found.

The NEA can choose what it wants to fund, and funding art promoting public service is totally legit. Nothing in that article showed that just because they mentioned two pieces of art from the campaign that elicited a sincere cultural response (which is a simple factual statement) that they wanted more 'pro obama artwork'.

Your friend sounds like one of those hyperpartisans who has filled in a lot of blanks with his mind, quite a few more than he should have.

He watches Glenn Beck, watches Fox news most often, is in the military, and I have yet to see one thing that isn't "OMG OBAMA IS GOING TO (insert whatever that is going to be the end of the nation here)!!!!!" from him.

There's a reason he watches Glenn Beck and Fox News all the time.

As for him being in the military if he's E-6 or a first termer being in the military doesn't say anything about his partisan ID. My ship was filled to the brim with liberals, they just tend to get out of the military after one enlistment.
 

Modelworks

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Here are some quotes from the phone call, the NEA is the one talking. Keep in mind the white house was also part of the conference call.

This is just the beginning. This the first telephone call of a brand new conversation. We
are just now learning how to really bring this community together to speak with the
government. What that is like legally. We're still trying to find out the laws of putting
government websites on Facebook and the use of Twitter. This is all being sorted out. We
are participating in history as it's being made. So bear with us as we learn the language
so that we can speak to each other safely. And we can really work together to move the
needle to get stuff done.
I would encourage you to pick something. Whether it's health care, education, the
environment. There's four key areas that the Corporation has identified as the areas of
service. Then may ask would be to apply your artistic, creative community's utilities.
Bring them to the table.
Take photos. Take video. Post it on your blogs. Get the word out. Like I said this is a
community that knows how to make a stink. Do it. Do it within your town. Do it
nationally. Call on other producer markerters, publicists, art, you know artists, people
from within our community and get them engaged.


Why ask what it is legally ? What are they trying to do that might not be legal ?

So that we can speak to each other safely ? Why are they threatened ? The NEA never was before.

There's four key areas that the Corporation ? What corporation ? The NEA is a government agency, supposed to be independent.

Take photos. Take video. ? Of what ? Who ?


I would just like for the NEA to explain what they meant.


 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Here are some quotes from the phone call, the NEA is the one talking. Keep in mind the white house was also part of the conference call.

This is just the beginning. This the first telephone call of a brand new conversation. We
are just now learning how to really bring this community together to speak with the
government. What that is like legally. We're still trying to find out the laws of putting
government websites on Facebook and the use of Twitter. This is all being sorted out. We
are participating in history as it's being made. So bear with us as we learn the language
so that we can speak to each other safely. And we can really work together to move the
needle to get stuff done.
I would encourage you to pick something. Whether it's health care, education, the
environment. There's four key areas that the Corporation has identified as the areas of
service. Then may ask would be to apply your artistic, creative community's utilities.
Bring them to the table.
Take photos. Take video. Post it on your blogs. Get the word out. Like I said this is a
community that knows how to make a stink. Do it. Do it within your town. Do it
nationally. Call on other producer markerters, publicists, art, you know artists, people
from within our community and get them engaged.


Why ask what it is legally ? What are they trying to do that might not be legal ?

So that we can speak to each other safely ? Why are they threatened ? The NEA never was before.

There's four key areas that the Corporation ? What corporation ? The NEA is a government agency, supposed to be independent.

Take photos. Take video. ? Of what ? Who ?


I would just like for the NEA to explain what they meant.

So you assume that Legal Issues are then part of some Conspiracy or other underhanded cloak and daggery? There are all kinds of Red Tape, hell, Governments often make Laws that end up being Illegal and were part of no insidiousness at all.

Mountain/Molehill.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: sandorski

So you assume that Legal Issues are then part of some Conspiracy or other underhanded cloak and daggery? There are all kinds of Red Tape, hell, Governments often make Laws that end up being Illegal and were part of no insidiousness at all.

Mountain/Molehill.


Then the NEA should have no problem telling the public what legal issues they were referring to. Speak to each other safely ? Is the mafia out to kill their members or something ?

 

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is okay to have an advertising campaign, but it is not okay when you use something like the NEA, which is supposed to be about furthering the arts not politics. Some of the conversation was along the lines of "we need to figure out how to do this but keep it legal" and how to word things so as not to get in trouble. When you have someone like the NEA who a lot of artist depend on for funding pushing an agenda and talking about "keeping it legal " anyone with half a brain can see that is trying to use an organization for another purpose other than what it was designed for and not get caught doing it.

That may be, but so what?(ignoring the ridiculous last part of that sentence)

It still supports the Artists, but I'd agree not in the same way the Program has traditionally worked. This is just another way to Advertise, it's just more unique than the more Traditional TV spots.

I'm sure Fox approached this story with some confusion, instead of Attacking the NEA they are now "Defending" it.

umm, "Advertising" for what? These are taxpayer dollars we're talking about here, not funds donated to campaigns or PACs.

Volunteering.
I think it would be VERY inappropriate -- borderline illegal -- to use taxpayer dollars to fund "advertising" for any particular political agenda or policy, including "volunteering."

Does this really seem like an appropriate use of our tax money to you? Really?!

It's really a genius way to support artist while getting what you want out of the deal. Not exactly illegal, but not exactly the upfront way to do things.

Do I want to see tax money used like this? No, but our votes don't matter anymore, we're broke.

My only gripe is he could have gotten this done for free by calling up some of those magazines they draw him as super man and Abe Lincoln.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski

So you assume that Legal Issues are then part of some Conspiracy or other underhanded cloak and daggery? There are all kinds of Red Tape, hell, Governments often make Laws that end up being Illegal and were part of no insidiousness at all.

Mountain/Molehill.


Then the NEA should have no problem telling the public what legal issues they were referring to.

sigh, they may not know and are just looking into whether there are Legal Issues or not. Just because they are discussing the Issue doesn't mean they're breaking a Law or will be. It just means they do not Know.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: sandorski
So what's essentially an Advertising Campaign is now Conspiracy? This is going to be a long 4-8 years.

Un fucking believable.