Obama care for Illegals - Yes thats what Obama wants

[michal1980]

So you would be in favor of withholding medical care to a person who was brought into the US illegally as a minor.

You do realize that the law that mandated emergency care to all was approved during the Reagan presidency? Does this make Reagan a RINO now in your eyes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

Obamacare is far beyond emergency medical treatment.

 

[K1052]

Obamacare is far beyond emergency medical treatment.

If by "far beyond" you mean "far less costly and more effective"

 

[Zaap]

It's not just about emergency care.

The larger problem is that illegals (and even MORE of them lured here by freebies and the freewheeling ignorance of many Americans) will go more often to seek routine and even unnecessary medical care and stick everyone with the bill. Even more people coming here just to pop out a kid on everyone's dime is a tremendous strain on the system.

I don't personally give a shit if it's Obamacare that pushes for this or not- just the general attitude this nation has largely fallen for that says "Come on in and freeload!" like glowing billboards on the open border. Then the same people about what care for them ends up costing and the suffering quality.

 

[BAMAVOO]

That's not much of a guess.

They system needs to be, they show up, then are shown the path back to wherever they came from ILLEGALLY!

 

[Brovane]

Obamacare is far beyond emergency medical treatment.

The point is that illegals currently use ER's for routine treatment which is one of the most expensive ways to dispense medical care. ObamaCare would push them to use less expensive ways of medical care.

 

[michal1980]

The point is that illegals currently use ER's for routine treatment which is one of the most expensive ways to dispense medical care. ObamaCare would push them to use less expensive ways of medical care.

Why should Americans provide anything past emergency care for illegals?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why should Americans provide anything past emergency care for illegals?

Because the illegal immigrants in question are people who were brought here as children and most of us don't hold children responsible for the actions of their parents? What are you proposing, that someone who was brought here as an infant, upon reaching the age of 18 so they can be legally emancipated from their parents, realize they were never here legally and go back to Mexico where they don't know anyone and don't have documentation anyway? Ideally, there wouldn't be any situation where a child was brought over the border illegally so we wouldn't be having this conversation. But we don't live in an ideal world, and it does happen. What do you propose we do with someone who grew up here as an illegal immigrant?

 

[thraashman]

Because the illegal immigrants in question are people who were brought here as children and most of us don't hold children responsible for the actions of their parents? What are you proposing, that someone who was brought here as an infant, upon reaching the age of 18 so they can be legally emancipated from their parents, realize they were never here legally and go back to Mexico where they don't know anyone and don't have documentation anyway? Ideally, there wouldn't be any situation where a child was brought over the border illegally so we wouldn't be having this conversation. But we don't live in an ideal world, and it does happen. What do you propose we do with someone who grew up here as an illegal immigrant?

Um ... I'm pretty sure Michal thinks we should shoot them. You may have noticed from his posts he appears to be a genuine nutcase.

 

[michal1980]

Because the illegal immigrants in question are people who were brought here as children and most of us don't hold children responsible for the actions of their parents? What are you proposing, that someone who was brought here as an infant, upon reaching the age of 18 so they can be legally emancipated from their parents, realize they were never here legally and go back to Mexico where they don't know anyone and don't have documentation anyway? Ideally, there wouldn't be any situation where a child was brought over the border illegally so we wouldn't be having this conversation. But we don't live in an ideal world, and it does happen. What do you propose we do with someone who grew up here as an illegal immigrant?

there are millions here who weren't brought in as a kid.

This is how all lib arguments break down 'but its for the kids'.

American kids have needs. How about we take care of them first, before we take care of other countries kids.

 

[zinfamous]

Was there any doubt things like obummercare are going to end up going to the millions of illegals as well?

Yes.

And there still is.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

there are millions here who weren't brought in as a kid.

This is how all lib arguments break down 'but its for the kids'.

American kids have needs. How about we take care of them first, before we take care of other countries kids.

Ah, so you didn't read your own article then. Let's recap:

The Obamacare and immigration debates collided Tuesday as Health and Human Services chief Sylvia Burwell called for extending Obamacare benefits to DREAM-eligible illegal immigrants.

Burwell was speaking on a public Google hangout with prominent Latina bloggers to promote Saturday’s opening of the Obamacare enrollment period when she shifted to her thoughts on immigration reform.

“DREAMers are not able to be covered in the marketplace. And this is an issue that I think is more than a health care issue — it is an immigration issue,” Burwell said in response to a question about whether families with mixed immigration statuses can get coverage.

“And I think everyone probably knows that this administration feels incredibly strongly about the fact that we need to fix that. We need to reform the system and make the changes that we need that will lead to benefits in everything from health care to economics to so many things — a very important step that we need to take as a nation.”

Only legal immigrants are eligible for Obamacare benefits, but liberal and pro-immigration groups have asked that Obamacare benefits be extended to illegal immigrants as well. Several groups have also advocated for the Obama administration to mandate Obamacare exchange eligibility for DREAMers, a term used to describe illegal immigrants who are granted Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status.

So they extend the benefits to illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are thus eligible for "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status." Clearly this upsets you, so I'll ask again; what's your counter-proposal for immigrants who were brought here as children?

 

[zinfamous]

there are millions here who weren't brought in as a kid.

This is how all lib arguments break down 'but its for the kids'.

American kids have needs. How about we take care of them first, before we take care of other countries kids.

How about we get rid of this horses-ass of a constitutional amendment where the only real requirement for citizenship is to be born here? Instant citizenship!

Oh wait--you wouldn't want that, because the consitution is sacred and infallible! can't touch the great constitution! "Might as well just deprive legal citizens of their granted rights, rather than spoil the holy Jesus-written document that I have never read."


No other country has such a dumbfuck method of citizenship, by the way--but of course we can't use other nations as examples, because Jesus didn't bless them as they did the USA, right?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Makes one wonder just how many angels can dance on the backs of the middle class?

 

[Zaap]

How about we get rid of this horses-ass of a constitutional amendment where the only real requirement for citizenship is to be born here? Instant citizenship!

Oh wait--you wouldn't want that, because the consitution is sacred and infallible! can't touch the great constitution! "Might as well just deprive legal citizens of their granted rights, rather than spoil the holy Jesus-written document that I have never read."


No other country has such a dumbfuck method of citizenship, by the way--but of course we can't use other nations as examples, because Jesus didn't bless them as they did the USA, right?

You are the undisputed king of going off half-cocked proving you're way dumber than whoever you're spitting all over your monitor at.

I don't know about the OP, but many conservatives are in favor of revising the 14th amendment citizenship clause to include at least one parent already be a citizen. And get this goober- that we have *AMENDMENTS* to the constitution(you might want to learn to spell it) in the first place -27 of them -would tend to preclude your idiocy about it being sacred in forever un-amended form.

 

[zinfamous]

You are the undisputed king of going off half-cocked proving you're way dumber than whoever you're spitting all over your monitor at.

I don't know about the OP, but many conservatives are in favor of revising the 14th amendment citizenship clause to include at least one parent already be a citizen. And get this goober- that we have *AMENDMENTS* to the constitution(you might want to learn to spell it) in the first place -27 of them -would tend to preclude your idiocy about it being sacred in forever un-amended form.

Forgive the thinking people of the world if it seems to us that the average teabagger doesn't understand the function of an amendment, what with the constant rhetoric back and forth; not to mention the prevailing ignorance on the parts of "all of you" wrg to so-called "acts of treason! waaah!"

Your Buddha Scalia sure as shit seems to interpret this paper as infallible, untouchable, original text rigamarole; and none of you will ever call your SCOTUS handlers on that.

 

[Zaap]

Forgive the thinking people of the world if it seems to us that the average teabagger doesn't understand the function of an amendment,

Says the rube blathering on about an AMENDMENT as if the thing being AMENDED (that's changed, doofus) couldn't be changed.

 

[zinfamous]

Says the rube blathering on about an AMENDMENT as if the thing being AMENDED (that's changed, doofus) couldn't be changed.

You clearly don't understand the thrust of my blathering.

 

[Zaap]

You clearly don't understand the thrust of my blathering.

Sure I do. Someone posted that you thought was an easy target for being dumber than you- but actually you're dumber than he is, so you raged a bunch of nonsense. You even tried to bash conservatives with a largely conservative argument.

 

[zinfamous]

Sure I do. Someone posted that you thought was an easy target for being dumber than you- but actually you're dumber than he is, so you raged a bunch of nonsense. You even tried to bash conservatives with a largely conservative argument.

So should I join you in your "Keep the Government out of my Medicare!" protests, if I sound like such a true conservative, then?

 

[doubledeluxe]

http://redalertpolitics.com/2014/11/12/hhs-chief-obamacare-available-dreamers/

Obama's HHS minion has now called for opening Obamacare to illegals.


This administration is beyond words terrible.

Heres a Hill story saying the same thing

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223783-hhs-chief-makes-plea-for-immigration-reform

What the fuck is wrong with you man?

That first link is a puppet site for a neoconservative opinion website.

GTFO with this fringe bullshit.

 

[nixium]

Ah, so you didn't read your own article then. Let's recap:



So they extend the benefits to illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are thus eligible for "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status." Clearly this upsets you, so I'll ask again; what's your counter-proposal for immigrants who were brought here as children?

You know what the kicker about DACA is? If you were a legal immigrant that brought in a child that matches every rule that DACA provides for, your child will not get any benefit. Yes, that's right. After she turns 21, she has to get a visa! How is this fair, and why do liberals pay no attention to this travesty?

 

[shortylickens]

He thinks they are all citizens. He doesnt consider them non-citizens. And certainly not illegals.

 

[Brovane]

Why should Americans provide anything past emergency care for illegals?

Because it is cheaper than just depending on Emergency care for health care for illegals.

 

[alcoholbob]

Just more creeping Cloward and Piven. Over 50% of illegals are already on some kind of welfare program, which is almost two and half times the rate of American citizens. Then again what else did you expect from Columbia graduates.

 

[sportage]

Naturally Obama wants to give illegals Obamacare, and a bucket of cash, tax exempt status, a government supplied assault weapon, free bullets, and the keys to your car.
And I'm all for that, just to see John Boehner's head explode.
Priceless!