Obama calls Trump “a total and complete dips***”

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https://youtu.be/cQ54GDm1eL0

Welcome to the next generation of fake news. Other than the voice being off, while watching this video in portrait on a smartphone screen, I couldn’t tell that Obama’s face was deepfaked with AI. You might think I’m a moron for not spotting the fake, but I wear glasses and I’m damn near 40, so my eyesight isn’t what it used to be. Still, I at least know what deepfake is...imagine 2/3 of the country who can’t tell the difference. We are so f**ked if we don’t learn how to scrutinize our sources of information.
 
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I don’t know seems obvious to me but that’s because I’m used to his mannerisms over the years. That just didn’t look right.

That and the presidents flag in the background helped.
 

Jaskalas

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It won't be long, maybe 10 years, before you and I can write a post and click a button to make any public figure on the planet "say" those words in a video. Deepfakes can pretty much do that today, but at least it takes some effort and expertise. Plus it's not (yet) perfected. There will be a day where we can automate it further, down to a mere click.

How does our justice system work when video evidence, the highest standard, is able to be completely forged?
 

HomerJS

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Imagine what Fox News and the Russians will do with deepfakes with computing power 10 years from now.
 

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It won't be long, maybe 10 years, before you and I can write a post and click a button to make any public figure on the planet "say" those words in a video. Deepfakes can pretty much do that today, but at least it takes some effort and expertise. Plus it's not (yet) perfected. There will be a day where we can automate it further, down to a mere click.

How does our justice system work when video evidence, the highest standard, is able to be completely forged?
I heard a piece on this on a radiolab podcast a while back. Basically it's a combination of two technologies. One is tech that learns speech patterns and intonation after listening to the speaker talk (you need about 40 mins of recorded speech for the software to work with). The other is facial recognition software that can be applied to other faces in real time (the idea was to allow for movie editing to be easier so you may not have to reshoot entire scenes if something happens to an actor or there is an error in a scene. The other idea was to allow famous people to speak in other languages. For example you take Jennifer Aniston's face in a makeup ad and have a Chinese speaker move it so her lips form words in Mandarin for a better dub and if you combine it with the first tech you can even have the Mandarin sound exactly like Jennifer Aniston)

But it's not flawless and is easily detected by professionals especially those who offer expertise for legal cases. The issue is more that when it comes to things like news and exposes the general public will have an even harder time telling what's fake vs not especially when the person denies that's them.
 
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Jaskalas

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But it's not flawless and is easily detected by professionals especially those who offer expertise for legal cases.

That's today, but any process a human can do to determine quality of the "product" can be automated and eliminated by machine learning. It's not a question of if those fakes will be perfect in the future, just a matter of when.

When it comes to evidence in cases, we'll have to really think hard regarding chain of custody and methods of encryption to ensure a trustworthy delivery from recording device to the courtroom. To ensure no fakes are introduced as evidence along the way.
 

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Stay woke bitches.

It may be that we need new protocols involving advanced steganography and perhaps multiple means of trust verification so that if one is broken then other obstacles remain.
 

Ns1

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I guess (unsurprisingly) there have been other uses of this technology...

SAG-AFTRA “Fighting Back” Against Dangers Posed By Face-Swapping Technology

SAG-AFTRA says it’s “fighting back” against the dangers posed by new face-swapping technologies that have been used to digitally superimpose the faces of its members onto the bodies of porn stars. In recent months, the technology – known as “deepfaking” – has hijacked the likenesses of several famous actresses and singers to make it appear that they were performing in pornographic films.


http://deadline.com/2018/04/deepfaking-technology-sag-aftra-actors-union-fighting-back-1202371117/
 

sportage

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On the entertainment side, just imagine one day Michael Jackson singing the entire production of Show Boat using this technology. Or the entire Trump family doing a Wendy's commercial.
I mean, why not?
 

HomerJS

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On the entertainment side, just imagine one day Michael Jackson singing the entire production of Show Boat using this technology. Or the entire Trump family doing a Wendy's commercial.
I mean, why not?
Or the Donald and Ivanka sex tape. Oh that's right we already have that one
 

BonzaiDuck

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Reminds me of the exchange between Winston and the Big Brother authority in "1984" Room 101.

How many fingers do you see, Winston? [Holds up five]
Five fingers . . .
No, Winston -- you see three fingers. . .

The ability to doctor video is scary enough, because it threatens the likelihood of our being able to infer or deduce the Truth simply by examining disparate sources of news.
 

JTsyo

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This is great for Trump. Now he can claim all the stuff he previously said was deepfakes. At least there's still twitter.
 

HomerJS

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Reminds me of the exchange between Winston and the Big Brother authority in "1984" Room 101.

How many fingers do you see, Winston? [Holds up five]
Five fingers . . .
No, Winston -- you see three fingers. . .

The ability to doctor video is scary enough, because it threatens the likelihood of our being able to infer or deduce the Truth simply by examining disparate sources of news.
The ability to gaslight the public is in part dictated by the public's willingness to believe anything if it benefits their "team". Cardassian is Trump and Picard is the GOP base being willing prisoners
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