Obama beating Reagan!

DrDoug

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No, Obama didn't dig Reagan up and beat the crap outta him. Forbes has an article up about how, under Obama...

This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history
It goes on to list a bunch of data that will make wingnuts eyes glaze over. Now lets hear how this is wrong and that the economy is dying under the Dictator in Chief!

Don't let me down! :biggrin:
 

compuwiz1

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Two things...R and it's a freaking OP-Ed, which is a fucking opinion. ;)
 

ivwshane

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Two things...R and it's a freaking OP-Ed, which is a fucking opinion. ;)

You know it stops being opinion when it's supported by facts right?

Now did you want to address the article and offer counterpoints or were you just protecting your bubble and letting your CBD run wild ?
 

DrDoug

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What at Forbes (or anywhere else for that matter) isn't opinion today? Shit, real news is delivered as opinion now...lol!

Real news died a lonely death many moons ago.
 

compuwiz1

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Ok..
It's BS
Reagan unemployment was people out of work.
Obama unemployment is people on unemployment.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...real-unemployment-rate-is-at-least-18-percent


Someone at Forbes became a kool aid drinking sycophant. Everyone living in the real world knows this is BS, especially coming from a right leaning company like Forbes. With a latest Gallup poll approval rating of 38%, yeah right! Someone drank a few gallons of someone's crank sauce to get that published.
 
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werepossum

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Forbes includes both right-leaning journalists and left-leaning journalists, as it should.
 

DrDoug

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Ok..
It's BS
Reagan unemployment was people out of work.
Obama unemployment is people on unemployment.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...real-unemployment-rate-is-at-least-18-percent


You are aware that Morici is expressing his opinion too, right? Much like his opinion in an article from Newsmax about how he can't be a liberal and an economist because of global warming, raising the minimum wage and so on. Morici is against helping the poor too, which makes him a great guy for wingers to quote.

It's all opinion and all we can do is look back when it's history to see who was right.
 

ivwshane

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The market creates jobs, not the State. And are people really happier today than they were in the 80s? I mean, jobs arent the same thing as happiness.

Government doesn't create jobs? Tell that to the 21+ million government workers in this country!

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/p...hly-government-employment-changes-totals.html

Let's not even try to talk about contractors and businesses that provide goods and services for the government!

"Government doesn't create jobs!" What a truly ignorant comment!
 

werepossum

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Government doesn't create jobs? Tell that to the 21+ million government workers in this country!

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/p...hly-government-employment-changes-totals.html

Let's not even try to talk about contractors and businesses that provide goods and services for the government!

"Government doesn't create jobs!" What a truly ignorant comment!
Government can have nothing, can pay no one anything, except for what it first takes from the private sector, or borrows and later takes from the private sector. If government jobs meant prosperity, North Korea and Cuba would be the wealthiest countries pro-capita in the world.
 

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Government doesn't create jobs? Tell that to the 21+ million government workers in this country!

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/p...hly-government-employment-changes-totals.html

Let's not even try to talk about contractors and businesses that provide goods and services for the government!

"Government doesn't create jobs!" What a truly ignorant comment!

Jobs create government. Those who argue that larger government is good should follow the tide of jobs and government dependency. Right now we have a record number of people on government assistance, but yet, we have millions of people who have just given up, left the work force. Because of dependency on government, a woman can immigrate, and voila! Her vagina becomes an economy in and of it's self. The government can do nothing better than the private sector can do. Capitalists can raise more money than the government for people's well being, than the government. Let society do our work and leave us the fuck alone, while taxing us less. That would be great!
 

ivwshane

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You guys should totally add more straw man arguments to your posts, it totally makes you look smart!

/s
 

werepossum

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lol

Straw man
Definition - anything a progressive does not understand and therefore wishes to ignore.

See also "everything" and "reality".
 

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Jobs create government. Those who argue that larger government is good should follow the tide of jobs and government dependency. Right now we have a record number of people on government assistance, but yet, we have millions of people who have just given up, left the work force. Because of dependency on government, a woman can immigrate, and voila! Her vagina becomes an economy in and of it's self. The government can do nothing better than the private sector can do. Capitalists can raise more money than the government for people's well being, than the government. Let society do our work and leave us the fuck alone, while taxing us less. That would be great!

Let that wealth trickle down!
 

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'Economically, President Obama’s administration has outperformed President Reagan’s in all commonly watched categories. Simultaneously the current administration has reduced the deficit, which skyrocketed under Reagan. Additionally, Obama has reduced federal employment, which grew under Reagan (especially when including military personnel,) and truly delivered a “smaller government.” Additionally, the current administration has kept inflation low, even during extreme international upheaval, failure of foreign economies (Greece) and a dramatic slowdown in the European economy."

This is either a fact or a fiction that should be obvious by looking at the numbers themselves or at the fact that what economists call better has somehow magically been imagined to be worse, in which this could be called an opinion piece. What we see happening here however is that those with a CBD claiming on an emotional basis without any scientific economic data to back them up, that a economic magazine has falsified real data to lie about its results. In shout what we see here are lunatics on the right reacting like imbeciles to information by trying to kick it in the teeth. How truly pathetic can people be. Where are your numbers? How was the data misread? And in general, why not go fuck yourselves. Your fucking truthiness certainty even in matters you are incompetent to deal with is a mental disease. Yes, you are disgusting and no, I'm not mad.
 

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Government can have nothing, can pay no one anything, except for what it first takes from the private sector, or borrows and later takes from the private sector. If government jobs meant prosperity, North Korea and Cuba would be the wealthiest countries pro-capita in the world.
+1. I was thinking of saying what you said but I wanted to see if anyone was ignorant enough to disagree with us.

law and order statists like ivwshane dont understand that the State and the ruling class only have what they do because of those who are most independent. I mean, how many members of Congress could be good programmers, good musicians, good physicians, good nurses, inventors, or good actors/actresses? I would say not more than 1/20 of all members of congress could've been successful without legal force over the past 100 years. most come from or go to academia, law firms, banking firms, or other highly structured firms they protected all of which are dependent on ignorance, evil, and/or stupidity. The State is stupid and evil and it fosters ignorance.
What good have McCain, Graham, Lieberman, Palin, Sen. Clinton, or any other neo-con/corporatist/keynesian statist wannabe tyrants done for society? I mean, I would say that they have hurt society even more than I have because even though they're not psychotic, they're sociopaths with the latter able to due a LOT more damage than the former. They may have kept psychotic people like me alive. i mean, i would be dead if it werent for the State. hell, i doubt i would have even been born simply because my mother's mother's mother was like diarhea that seeped right through the treaty of trianon (which basically stemmed from Wilson's global fart heard round the world aka the League of Nations) , ellis island, the emergency quota act of 1921, the national origins act of 1924, and eventually became a u.s. citizen. without my dad, without harding's true compassionate conservatism mixed with the fact that my grandmother's brother was an anchor baby and the 14A I would've probably been killed by NATO in Serbia before my 10th birthday. And it all kept productive people like jews and japanese out. That is what the State does... it steals, rapes, murders, threatens, and jails the industrious to make princes out of people like me. the State just uses people. public officials are more dependent on what they offer to others than all welfare queens combined are. if sen clinton and the DNC really cared about helping society more than trying to control it, they would make an honest living (instead of supporting disarming civilians and defending rapists all while trying to act like she is a feminist) and network with people voluntarily to give to the poor without resorting to violence and threats. even though i am capable of honest and independent living myself, i dont really want to live. I hope none of that gets me in trouble, but i think it needed to be said to help prove how evil and stupid the State is.
Jobs create government. Those who argue that larger government is good should follow the tide of jobs and government dependency. Right now we have a record number of people on government assistance, but yet, we have millions of people who have just given up, left the work force. Because of dependency on government, a woman can immigrate, and voila! Her vagina becomes an economy in and of it's self. The government can do nothing better than the private sector can do. Capitalists can raise more money than the government for people's well being, than the government. Let society do our work and leave us the fuck alone, while taxing us less. That would be great!
+1 point for you too young man.:)
 
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Government doesn't create jobs? Tell that to the 21+ million government workers in this country!

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/p...hly-government-employment-changes-totals.html

Let's not even try to talk about contractors and businesses that provide goods and services for the government!

"Government doesn't create jobs!" What a truly ignorant comment!

Ok;This isn't rocket surgery here:Where do the paychecks of those 21+ million government workers come from? They come from the taxation of the common man.

How much of the taxpayer dollars are stolen when they hire private contractors who then pad bills and give the government workers kickbacks?

..and all of it is coming out of the common man's pocket.
 
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Ok;This isn't rocket surgery here:Where do the paychecks of those 21+ million government workers come from? How much of the taxpayer dollars are stolen when they hire private contractors who then pad bills and give the government workers kickbacks? ..and all of it is coming out of the common man's pocket.
You're a genius:)
 

ivwshane

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lol

Straw man
Definition - anything a progressive does not understand and therefore wishes to ignore.

See also "everything" and "reality".

Hey look you got another thing wrong again!

Somehow to you morons pointing out that government does indeed create jobs equals I support big government or that I think government jobs aren't paid for by the citizens or whatever other argument you are trying to make. I said one thing and it's a fact and you idiots claim I said something else, that's a straw man.

But do go on and tell how 21+ million people aren't actually working for the government and aren't actually being paid for their work. Tell us all again how that's not a job.


You've guys have gone full retard! Are you all fucking the same toaster now?
 

dank69

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lol

Straw man
Definition - anything a progressive does not understand and therefore wishes to ignore.

See also "everything" and "reality".
It takes an especially diseased mind to straw man the very definition of straw man.
 

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Hooray the middle class is saved!

I guess we should now expect liberals to shut up about wealth inequality since we have experienced the greatest private sector job creation in history in the past 5 years! :cool: