jonks
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- Feb 7, 2005
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Didn't you get the memo? This bill is not retroactive immunity, it merely provides circumstances under which a court must dismiss a case against the telcos. It just so happens those circumstances encompass any and every reason someone would sue them for cooperating with the feds.
So this isn't retroactive immunity, it's constructive [great word] immunity.
And BO never said he'd fillibuster constructive immunity, now did he? Ah nuance.
- Feb 17, 2001
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Obama will continue to lie and his supporters will continue to eat it up. They will say "well are you going to vote for McCain?" They dont get it, Obama is part of the machine, he has been groomed for your consumption, he has just shown you the strength of his convictions... they are much like his platform.... empty and worthless.
Get used to it, you will have at least another four years of some corporate tool running this nation into the ground, and your still gonna vote for him. So next time you want to play the blame game about the current state of affairs go look in the mirror.
Get used to it, you will have at least another four years of some corporate tool running this nation into the ground, and your still gonna vote for him. So next time you want to play the blame game about the current state of affairs go look in the mirror.
I'm not saying they shouldn't go after the low hanging fruit (telcos) but normally you go after them to get up the chain. In this case it's not even necessary because we already know where it leads. The way I see it if we're not going to punish those who directed this then those who carried it out should get the same pass.
If you don't think that Obama would be far less likely to engage in future actions like Bush's compared to McCain who endorses them, you are missing something, IMO.[/quote]
Keep reading. I already addressed this. I obviously threw some people off with that post though which I apologize for. I should have been a bit more descriptive because the one you quoted is very misleading in regards to how I actually feel.
If you noticed, most people in here that are Obama supporters are not backing him or supporting him on this issue.
Most of us have expressed being disheartened with him on his stance on it. As for his plans on filibustering, it would go a long way towards making amends regarding it...but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to take the floor.
Obama and Clinton should joined forces and worked to stop it. That would be major campaigning and be all over the news. Much more ROI than talking to 50 people in a diner or whatever the hell he is doing now.
But instead both of them decided to sit it out. Cowardly is what it is, no other word for it.
bamacre
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2004
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blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
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Given the stances Obama has on these very important issues, can you point to McCain's issues that are worse?
Obama said Iran was a 'threat', McCain openly talks about a military attack on Iran. I am not aware of Obama specifically advocating this.
About drugs in general Obama is for more lenient sentencing, using drug courts, etc instead of sending people to jail. McCain wants more and harsher sentences that we already know don't work.
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
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I've basially given up on Obama now. This is a major blunder on his part and when combined with his vast increases to taxes and entitlement programs I just am not buying it anymore. He's a bit better than McCain. That's probably all. Neither will be our savior, I'm afraid.
How about a list of five of them:
1. McCain, as a Republican, would greatly empower the modern Republican agenda, just as a matter of party mechanics. Republicans appointed to thousands of positions running our government with all the 'Republican donor agenda' baggage that implies, resulting in huge problems and blocking of the progressive agenda.
2. The Supreme Court appointments. Right now, the radical right has four seats on the court with one marginal vote sometimes giving them five. Their Federalist Society agenda will greatly change our nation and harm it if they can start to change the constitutional interpretations form our history. Read the dozens of 5-4 decisions in the last couple years for an idea and that's just a start.
3. I think he'd continue the terrible Republican spending agenda - little for most, help for the most wealthy, deficits, excessive military spending, political-based spending etc.
4. I think he's likely to pursue policies of corporatism, just as Bush has let the corporate donors oversee their own industries from government positions, write laws, etc.
5. 'Bush's third term' - he's unlikely, IMO, to reverse the damages of the Bush administration, continuing the precedents of 'unitary executive', militarism, etc.
As a free bonus, I am also concerned about his character, for example, his lack of conviction to stand against torture after some earlier speeches the other way.
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