That is exactly the point. The outcome in regards to this issue despite whether McCain or Obama becomes Pres will most likely be too similar for it to even be factor in one's voting decision.
That is exactly the point. The outcome in regards to this issue despite whether McCain or Obama becomes Pres will most likely be too similar for it to even be factor in one's voting decision.
If two candidates have very similar views towards a certain issue that you feel strongly about and there is no realistic third option then what is one supposed to do? The result may be awful, but it is not like you have a choice. We cannot see the future. The only thing we can do is use our best judgment and concentrate more on the remaining issues.
McCain is a vigorous supporter of it and I don't think he would hesitate to pass more horrendous shit just like it. Obama seems to be trying to hew a middle path for political purposes on an issue that it appears he personally opposes (if you go by what he's said and done in the past). Trust me, I hate the result every bit as much as you do and I think it's the single worst decision Obama has made in this entire campaign, but I think if you genuinely look at things you know Obama is better on this issue then McCain.
Yes, I feel the same way. That is why I will still be voting for Obama regardless.
To be honest, I really don't mind that full blown out action against this stuff isn't happening on Obama's side either. God forbid that most of us are wrong and the security in place really is preventing a lot of terrorist activity and we just don't know about it. I'm ok with taking everything a little bit at a time. Keep in mind that I value privacy and justice for illegal activity just as much as the next guy. I'm just playing devil's advocate a little bit here and emphasizing how slow careful change could be for the best.
Why are some so adamantly against immunity for the telco's when those who directed them are apparently getting it?
You call Obama and McCain nutjobs yet your guy couldn't come close to beating either of them? :laugh:
I agree neither should get immunity but I can't see how we can be outraged about immunity for one but let the other slide.
That is sort of strange to me.
3-4 years ago when people were calling for impeachment they were laughed at and called nutjobs, yet nearly everything the Bush admin was accused of back then is coming to light as being more or less true now.
Yet now it's "too late" to impeach or "wouldn't be worth it", or whatever the excuse of the day is.
It's a fucking travesty all the way around.
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Trying for low-hanging fruit. After what we've seen by bush admin and still no impeaching, we know it'll never happen so we've given up any hopes.
True that.
I listened to half of Dodd's speech he made, (was it mentioned in this thread? Can't remember) recently about this and it makes me despise Bush, quite honestly.
Yeah I linked the Dodd speech a little ways back in the thread.
It's very long, but it's delivered with some fire and is a must watch for anyone who really cares about the rule of law.
It's very long, but it's delivered with some fire and is a must watch for anyone who really cares about the rule of law.
The nutjob is the one who doesn't see the huge importance of the advanatages of Obama over McCain despite this one issue, IMO.
We're not going to get someone we agree with on every issue. Can you even name a president in 100 years who did not have one flaw as bad as Obama's vote on this issue?
If you don't think that Obama would be far less likely to engage in future actions like Bush's compared to McCain who endorses them, you are missing something, IMO.
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Yeah, this "one issue."
Ignore the fact that Obama has been demonizing Iran and saying they are a threat to the USA. Ignore the fact that he was once for decriminalization of marijuana before he decided that electability was more important than integrity. Ignore the fact he went to a racist church for 20 years.
Yeah, let's ignore everything else about Obama. :roll:
He's awesome because McCain is worse. :roll:
I was referring to the one issue being cited as meaning there are not any other reasons to say he's a lot better than McCain.
I'm not saying there aren't others; there are. But I think that even adding all of them, add all you listed, and it's still dwarfed by the advantages he has over McCain.
I don't have the time now to list even several of them, but you are familiar, I'm sure - let's name his using Earl Warren for the Supreme Court model, not Roberts and Alito.
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