Obama Backing FISA "Compromise"

[AAjax]

Obama votes for immunity
But he says he's against it and will try to fix it "later"

"It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."

Cough Cough...

News to Obama, if you say the word compromise after a vote contrary to your proclaimed stance it dosent make it OK.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

I wasn't sure if I should've made a new topic or posted in the other thread, but it does seem topic worthy considering how much faith was put onto Obama to be a leader. I feel bad for those who threw money at him and got this in return.

 

[Vic]

What is McCain's stance on telco retroactive immunity?

 

[Fern]

He's in kind of a tough position.

I see he's reverting to *nuiance*; we'll see if he's any better than Kerry at using it.

Fern

 

[NeoV]

jesus christ this is going to be the longest election period ever

 

[fskimospy]

I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

Of course as Vic alludes to he's still light years ahead of McCain on the issue as McCain is actively supporting this lawbreaking, but it still sucks.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

Of course as Vic alludes to he's still light years ahead of McCain on the issue as McCain is actively supporting this lawbreaking, but it still sucks.

Ditto what he said...

Im just wondering if/when we are going to allow corporations to vote for our presidents, because it appears our government is only working for fvcking corporations these days....

:disgust:

 

[SAWYER]

LOL change

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Vic
What is McCain's stance on telco retroactive immunity?

two key aides to John McCain -- both his senior political adviser and national finance co-chairman -- who it turns out were key participants in what was in 2007 described as a "secret" campaign to secure retroactive immunity for those companies that helped the Bush administration skirt the law.


He was for it.

 

[Craig234]

Glenn Greenwald:

"I think we do a grave disservice if we try to convince people that Obama is really going to work to get amnesty out of the bill. Reid is already saying it's just theater -- they know it's going to fail -- it's just a way, Reid said, to let people "express themselves." It's all designed to let Obama say, once he votes for this bill: "Well, I tried to get amnesty out." He's going to vote for amnesty -- and his statement today seals the fate of this bill. Why sugar coat that?"

Obama has not shown leadership on this vote, IMO. He's taking the wrong vote that'll help him with non-democrats in the election.

I understand that the democratic leadership put him in a bad position on this - the 'Nancy Pelosi is too conservative for Obama' ads would be easy - but it's still a problem vote IMO.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Wow....I guess the non-Obamabots got the whole situation wrong. Not only do they support a candidate that is for this, but those that they classify as Obamabots are coming out and denouncing Obama for his lack of leadership and standing up to the corporations like he has claimed.

Personally, I'm very disappointed that he is even considering give this turd a YEA.

Edit: I guess the only people that see Obama as a messiah are those that oppose him. How ironic.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: NeoV
jesus christ this is going to be the longest election period ever

It already is.

 

[OrByte]

I wonder if HRC supports the "compromise"

??

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Im just wondering if/when we are going to allow corporations to vote for our presidents, because it appears our government is only working for fvcking corporations these days....

:disgust:

You're completely misguided.

This vote is government working for itself to protect itself. WTF do the corporations have to do with this immunity regarding government mandated policy to force them to break the 4th amendment? They are nothing more than a good little puppet doing its master's bidding - and now this immunity is its reward.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

Really?

You really buy into that "Hope and Change" bullshit and believing that he's not an insider?

I like and dislike some of the shit he does, that Father's Day speech was spot on for example and I loved it, but to pretend he's so different is retarded.

1: He complains about people buying elections and swears he will only use the 85 million public dollars for his campaign. Then he takes in far more than that and decides to back out of that pledge.

2: The Iraqi foreign minister meets with Obama and McCain and states basically "Obama isn't really that far from McCain on US involvement in Iraq."

3: Now the FISA shenanigans.

He's a nice and likable guy and all, but its time for some people to realize his shit does indeed stink.

 

[NeoV]

what does going after the 'retro' abusers really accomplish anyway?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

Really?

You really buy into that "Hope and Change" bullshit and believing that he's not an insider?

I like and dislike some of the shit he does, that Father's Day speech was spot on for example and I loved it, but to pretend he's so different is retarded.

1: He complains about people buying elections and swears he will only use the 85 million public dollars for his campaign. Then he takes in far more than that and decides to back out of that pledge.

2: The Iraqi foreign minister meets with Obama and McCain and states basically "Obama isn't really that far from McCain on US involvement in Iraq."

3: Now the FISA shenanigans.

He's a nice and likable guy and all, but its time for some people to realize his shit does indeed stink.

looks to me like the only people that need to realize this are all of his detractors that love to try and put him on a pedestal so they can knock him down.

I don't think there is a candidate or politician in history that I would ever agree with 100%

That said, I don't like BHO taking this stance. Period.

 

[StageLeft]

Indefensible.

 

[sprok]

Very disappointing.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

1: He complains about people buying elections and swears he will only use the 85 million public dollars for his campaign.

No, he didn't. That was conditional, and the conditions did not happen.

 

[MovingTarget]

It looks like the "compromise" (of our rights) passed the House of Representatives.

President Bush praises passing of compromise FISA bill

Here's the official Roll Call vote tally

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: NeoV
what does going after the 'retro' abusers really accomplish anyway?

I'd like to see it just to find out how deep this particular rabbit hole goes, but politically it's probably impossible. Because the real issue IMO is that it's not the corporate abusers who need going after, but the govt. officials in the Bush admin who forced them to do it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm very disappointed in Obama over this. While I'm sure he opposes it, he's only offering token resistance. As some people might have guessed this is one of the most important issues to me, and so... urgh.

Really?

You really buy into that "Hope and Change" bullshit and believing that he's not an insider?

I like and dislike some of the shit he does, that Father's Day speech was spot on for example and I loved it, but to pretend he's so different is retarded.

1: He complains about people buying elections and swears he will only use the 85 million public dollars for his campaign. Then he takes in far more than that and decides to back out of that pledge.

2: The Iraqi foreign minister meets with Obama and McCain and states basically "Obama isn't really that far from McCain on US involvement in Iraq."

3: Now the FISA shenanigans.

He's a nice and likable guy and all, but its time for some people to realize his shit does indeed stink.

Of course the problem with our current system is that you can't judge a candidate in a vacuum. Obama may sometimes fall short of his potential (like I think he did on this issue), but it's better than the Republicans who promise bullshit and are incredibly reliable at delivering it. I can't help but think the reason you folks are focusing so hard on Obama and his "hope and change" platform is that you are praying that nobody looks at McCain and his "more of the same" platform. Granted, it's easier for McCain to reach his "goals"...but really, I'd like a President who tries and sometimes fails instead of a President who doesn't even suit up.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: OrByte
Im just wondering if/when we are going to allow corporations to vote for our presidents, because it appears our government is only working for fvcking corporations these days....

:disgust:

You're completely misguided.

This vote is government working for itself to protect itself. WTF do the corporations have to do with this immunity regarding government mandated policy to force them to break the 4th amendment? They are nothing more than a good little puppet doing its master's bidding - and now this immunity is its reward.

Yeah I am sure the big Telco corps are all gonna ask for this immunity to be put aside object to it on ethical grounds. :roll: The only reason why telco's did not want to release records was because they knew they could be held legally and financially responsible for doing so. Seeing as Uncle Dick and Bush are giving them an out card via this bill so they can't be sued I have no doubt that these companies would not object to it all. This bill serves the administrations interests and the Teleco's interest in protecting them each from any harmful lawsuits.

 

[Drift3r]

Interesting.......It seems Rush was going ape shit over the House maybe not be taking up the bill and going into recesses instead. Apparently he was all for it and the Dem's where toying with national security by trying to stall on the bill.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho...nt/01125107.guest.html