Obama And "Gender Identity Expression" (Cross Dressing etc)

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Harvey

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

I think they're ugly. Give me an all electric or plug-in hybrid Mini cooper and we'll talk.

Too bad you don't understand the engineering concept that form follows function. You start by designing the basic machine the way it works best. Then, you figure out how to put the best looking shell around it.
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.

I'll take the bet too, but like a good righty, he'll welch and just add the $500 (so far) to his debt. Nothing wrong with those things but I haven't done any of them.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.

I'll take the bet too, but like a good righty, he'll welch and just add the $500 (so far) to his debt. Nothing wrong with those things but I haven't done any of them.


Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:
 

NoStateofMind

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Gay rights, Minority rights, Women rights etc are BS. You have your rights for being an AMERICAN not because of race or gender!
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

Hey guys, save some of this chump's mad coin for me!

Yo OC, your "facts" smell like you got them from butterbean's butt.

 

alchemize

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I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.

I'll take the bet too, but like a good righty, he'll welch and just add the $500 (so far) to his debt. Nothing wrong with those things but I haven't done any of them.


Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:

What an idiotic comment, calling taking an offered bet on an issue a 'handout'.

Does show how warped your views are.

How appropriate that in the same post you confirm the liberals are right and you are a welcher, that you try to make an attack instead of an apology.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

What are you missing? I'm in support for equal rights for the listed groups (transvestites etc.) Happy? Is that news for you that I'm in favor of equal rights for them?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: alchemize
I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

What are you missing? I'm in support for equal rights for the listed groups (transvestites etc.) Happy? Is that news for you that I'm in favor of equal rights for them?
Nope, not news to me. I just wonder where you draw the line? Or if you ever do?

Frankly, I see no difference between a bisexual or a heterosexual swinger. Why not put the swinger in a protected class?

 
Feb 6, 2007
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:

What's the weather like on your planet?

"Hey dude, I bet you can't make that free throw!"
"You're on!" *makes free throw* "All right, pay up."
"You're always looking for a handout..."

Another conservative blaming his own shortcomings on liberals.
 
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Originally posted by: alchemize
I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

That's because the "issue" as it was presented is absolutely absurd. Butterbean's entire OP was dedicated to ridiculing the language "gender identity." I almost minored in gender studies in college (I was one class off; to my credit, I did not realize how close I was to the minor until my final semester, as I had never intended to minor in gender studies), so not only have I (presumably) read significantly more material on the concept of gender identity than Butterbean, I personally believe the gender continuum exists and that we do place ourselves along it based on the masculine and feminine traits we possess or portray to the world. So in this regard, I believe Obama's use of the phrase "gender identity" is appropriate when discussing gender politics and transgender issues.

I will NOT argue semantics with a poster like Butterbean because his ideology, at least as portrayed through his posting on this forum, show a mindset that is completely closed to any idea that differs from his own. He has never, at any point in his time here, shown that any form of argumentation can sway him from his opinion, now matter how much evidence may contradict it. There is no reasoning with a mindset like that, especially one so steeped in bigotry, and since I'm just a crazy blue-state son of a ***, I know I will never convince Butterbean of anything he doesn't want to be convinced of. Consequently, I ridicule his bigotry and move on.

A closed mind does not lead to an open discussion, which is why the conversation in this topic has gone as it has. There's not a single poster on the left who is stupid enough to think they can change Butterbean's mind on this, so we don't try.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:

What's the weather like on your planet?

"Hey dude, I bet you can't make that free throw!"
"You're on!" *makes free throw* "All right, pay up."
"You're always looking for a handout..."

Another conservative blaming his own shortcomings on liberals.

It's beautiful, about 75 degrees and just about as white as you can get in Orange County. Or affluently Asian, if that's a color. Either way, it's perfectly homogeneous.

I'm going to be in Irvine this weekend - want to grab a drink with me OCGuy?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: alchemize

I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

That's because there is no issue. Butt__Bean just posted yet another of his brainless, bigoted, homophobic rants. :thumbsdown: :|
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: alchemize

I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

That's because there is no issue. Butt__Bean just posted yet another of his brainless, bigoted, homophobic rants. :thumbsdown: :|
+1

 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.

I'll take the bet too, but like a good righty, he'll welch and just add the $500 (so far) to his debt. Nothing wrong with those things but I haven't done any of them.


Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:


So, Ocguy31, you're a welching, blowhard, pos LIAR, and you lamely try to cover your complete lack of any personal integrity whatsoever with bullcrap political rhetoric?

YOU SUCK, YOU F*CKING WEASEL. :|
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: alchemize
I think it's clear who the trolls are here...I haven't seen one response to the issue from the resident lefties in nearing three pages on this thread.

That's because the "issue" as it was presented is absolutely absurd. Butterbean's entire OP was dedicated to ridiculing the language "gender identity." I almost minored in gender studies in college (I was one class off; to my credit, I did not realize how close I was to the minor until my final semester, as I had never intended to minor in gender studies), so not only have I (presumably) read significantly more material on the concept of gender identity than Butterbean, I personally believe the gender continuum exists and that we do place ourselves along it based on the masculine and feminine traits we possess or portray to the world. So in this regard, I believe Obama's use of the phrase "gender identity" is appropriate when discussing gender politics and transgender issues.

I will NOT argue semantics with a poster like Butterbean because his ideology, at least as portrayed through his posting on this forum, show a mindset that is completely closed to any idea that differs from his own. He has never, at any point in his time here, shown that any form of argumentation can sway him from his opinion, now matter how much evidence may contradict it. There is no reasoning with a mindset like that, especially one so steeped in bigotry, and since I'm just a crazy blue-state son of a ***, I know I will never convince Butterbean of anything he doesn't want to be convinced of. Consequently, I ridicule his bigotry and move on.

A closed mind does not lead to an open discussion, which is why the conversation in this topic has gone as it has. There's not a single poster on the left who is stupid enough to think they can change Butterbean's mind on this, so we don't try.

I do. I tell him what I see but I don't expect any success or need any. I tell him the truth because he suffers from obsession and could use some help. He sees out there tremendous evil so he powerfully defends himself. But the evil he sees is the evil he was made to feel about himself. He doesn't know that without his false morality he would be no less moral but lack the obsession. I don't give a crap who's in the bathroom because I go there to pee. And there isn't a ten year old girl in the world that wouldn't be safe with me. I own what is of infinite value and for which there's nothing I would trade. It's simple self respect.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: ayabe
$50 says Butterbean runs an Army Surplus store.

Maybe. But i've got $100 that 85% of AT P&N either drives a Prius, has chained themselves up to a tree at some point, and/or is a member of PETA or ELF.

I'll take that bet.

Sign me up too.

In for one. I'll PM you my paypal info when you invariably lose.

I'll take the bet too, but like a good righty, he'll welch and just add the $500 (so far) to his debt. Nothing wrong with those things but I haven't done any of them.


Ah..a bunch of e-liberals looking for a handout. *shocked* :laugh:


So, Ocguy31, you're a welching, blowhard, pos LIAR, and you lamely try to cover your complete lack of any personal integrity whatsoever with bullcrap political rhetoric?

YOU SUCK, YOU F*CKING WEASEL. :|

Im glad I wasnt drinking anything when I read that. You would have owed me a new LCD. You made my Friday.

 

shira

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Originally posted by: Butterbeanwhy should I have to make provisions (under threat of law) for someones disorder
Well, gee, how come you force US to accommodate YOUR disorder?

I mean, you're obviously a masochist. Why else would you continually write such hilarious nonsense that attracts nothing but derision? Yet although we know you're twisted, here we are, helping you to get your "fix" of hatred from the world.

Do the attacks make you cum right away? Or do you wait until later, dress in something tight and silky, half-suffocate yourself with a plastic bag, and spank yourself while watching Pee Wee reruns. Come on, tell us your little secret.


 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Im glad I wasnt drinking anything when I read that. You would have owed me a new LCD. You made my Friday.

So, you were drunk when you made the bet, and now that you've come down, you're too chickenshit to stand behind your own word. :roll:

That explains everything. :laugh:

And you owe me $100 because I drive a Honda Civic that gets 30 mpg in the city.
 

Rainsford

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Some people are different than you. Get over it.

Full disclosure: I can't quite take credit for this line, I adapted it from an ad I saw in the London Underground last time I was there that said "Some people are gay. Get over it.".

For the thousands of hours spent debating issues like this, it really is that simple. At the end of the day, people like Butterbean want to legislate themselves the right to not be offended by anything else anyone is doing. And I'm sorry, but I really think we've moved past the point where that is a good enough reason all by itself.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Gay rights, Minority rights, Women rights etc are BS. You have your rights for being an AMERICAN not because of race or gender!

That's a nice sentiment, but it's not true...which is why "special protection" laws exist in the first place. Traditional interpretation of the law gives special rights to the majority, so those laws need to be changed to specifically mention the minority, or else they don't get any rights. Were your idealistic second sentence actually true, there would be no gay marriage debate, gays would have ALREADY been able to marry by whatever legal logic allows straight people to marry.
 

yllus

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Well, I read up the gender identity expression issue on Senator Obama's site and I think it's a noble idea.

Three years of living right next to the gay village here in Toronto let me get to know a few transgendered people and I commiserate with some of the issues they have to deal with. All of the ones I knew weren't loud-and-proud, they simply wanted to go about their lives as a female and never have anybody notice. None of them would ever be suspected to be anything but female, so I guess a lot of this stuff wouldn't be relevant to them anyways.

It's a real shame that the DSM still lists this as a disorder - though I'm sure that like in the case of homosexuality, that too will one day change.

"It?s time to live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. Let?s enact federal civil rights legislation to outlaw hate crimes and protect workers against discrimination based upon sexual orientation and gender identity or expression."

Absolutely. :)
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: yllus
Well, I read up the gender identity expression issue on Senator Obama's site and I think it's a noble idea.

Three years of living right next to the gay village here in Toronto let me get to know a few transgendered people and I commiserate with some of the issues they have to deal with. All of the ones I knew weren't loud-and-proud, they simply wanted to go about their lives as a female and never have anybody notice. None of them would ever be suspected to be anything but female, so I guess a lot of this stuff wouldn't be relevant to them anyways.

It's a real shame that the DSM still lists this as a disorder - though I'm sure that like in the case of homosexuality, that too will one day change.

"It?s time to live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. Let?s enact federal civil rights legislation to outlaw hate crimes and protect workers against discrimination based upon sexual orientation and gender identity or expression."

Absolutely. :)

I admit I am less comfortable with the idea than I am with the idea that some people are attracted to their own gender, but unlike Butterbean et all, I realize that this is MY problem, not theirs. The rights of my fellow Americans should not be determined by how comfortable I am with their lifestyle.