Obama Administration = Most successful at reducing income inequality in 50 years

yllus

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Good piece from The Atlantic; it's hard for me to not see this as a major win for the middle class in America. Also, holy cow at that second graph and its numbers for the Reagan years.

The Atlantic - Obama Is the Greatest Force for Equality in 50 Years

A new examination from the Council of Economic Advisers credits the Obama presidency for the most aggressive and successful attempt to reduce inequality in half a century. “President Obama has overseen the largest increase in federal investment to reduce inequality since the Great Society,” the economists write.

One might immediately think to dismiss such a report as shameless self-promotion from the White House. But the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reached the exact same conclusion in June. It found that the federal government is doing more to reduce inequality right now than any time on record, going back at least 35 years. The gap between the rich and poor is as wide as ever judging by before-tax income (e.g., wages and capital gains). But judging by after-tax income, the CBO found that income inequality is no higher than it was in 2000, and Obama’s policies have done more to reduce inequality in the last few years than any other time on record.*

In other words, Obama’s economic policies have fought the stubborn forces of economic inequality to something of standstill. How has he done it? President Obama’s anti-inequality crusade has three main pillars.

First, the centerpiece of Obama’s anti-inequality legacy is the policy that bears his name. Obamacare, a.k.a., the Affordable Care Act, has reduced the uninsured rate from about 16 percent in 2010 to less than 9 percent today, the lowest level in U.S. history. Health insurance is not yet universal, but it is in the process of universalizing, thanks to the president’s landmark bill.

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Second, several subtle yet significant tax changes under Obama have made the tax code more progressive. The stimulus bill passed in 2009, a.k.a., the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (or, simply, the Recovery Act), included the most important changes. The law created the Making Work Pay credit, expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, and created new tax credits, like the American Opportunity Tax Credit for college attendees. Most of these measures have been extended through 2017. The most significant change to the tax code since 2010 has been the eleventh-hour agreement to extend the Bush tax cuts for all families except for an increase in the top tax rate for households making more than $450,000 and an increase in the estate tax rate to 40 percent.

All told, these changes made the tax code more progressive over a period when the economic gains of the recovery went disproportionately toward the richest Americans. The richest 1 percent of households earned about 99 percent of the income gains in the years after the recession. But the most common measures of income inequality did not explode in this period. The reason why is fairly simple. Obama’s tax policies increased the non-1-percenters’ share of income more than any president since perhaps FDR.​

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Third, the Obama administration has supported initiatives outside of the tax code and health care policy to help the poor and middle class. They have been advocates for higher minimum wages at the national level, which have arguablybuoyed the state-by-state effort to raise minimum wages toward $15 in richer areas. They supported extended unemployment benefits while long-term unemployment was perhaps the country’s most insidious economic plague. Unemployment insurance kept more than 11 million people out of poverty in Obama’s first term, according to Census analysis. The president also expandedSupplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (food stamps) and Temporary Aid to Needy Families (grants that states can use for a variety of measures including helping the poor). His Department of Education spent more than $60 billion to support states’ education budgets and prevent more layoffs of teachers and administrators. In sum, he grew anti-inequality spending more than any president, as a share of GDP.

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Jaskalas

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The scale of the problem needs a demonstration.
And I don't think reports that include "Inequality is growing" are going to take a bite out of it. Sorry, they might celebrate
bailing a little water out of the Titanic... but you still remember how that ended.

 

ivwshane

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The scale of the problem needs a demonstration.
And I don't think reports that include "Inequality is growing" are going to take a bite out of it. Sorry, they might celebrate
bailing a little water out of the Titanic... but you still remember how that ended.


Are you capable of admitting his policies are working?
 

Mai72

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It still sucks unless you think making the medium average which is about $53k a year is great. It's not. Try living on $53k in NJ. Once you pay the mortage, groceries, car note, taxes, etc... You won't have anything left over to invest. I'm not that impressed.

You only need one little economic issue to put everything you worked for in jeaporady. This is why millionaire is the new middle class. Even then, a million dollars really isn't a lot of money. I know I'm not even there yet when it comes to financial fortitude. I want to get to the point that I have a million in my bank account, so I can weather any economic storm.

Finally, what we have under Obama is a country dependent on government handouts. That's what we have. I've also read that if most Americans lost their job, they only have enough to see them thru a few months. That's it. Again, it comes down to income. Make more so you can save. Then save to invest, because you want income producing assets. Like real estate.
 
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Texashiker

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Did they figure in the 20% of millenniums who are not working?

Wonder if that 20% was figured in as zeros?

As for the health insurance, lets see a chart on cost. Of course uninsuranced are going down, people have to buy health coverage. Duhhhh!!!!
 

Mai72

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Did they figure in the 20% of millenniums who are not working?

Wonder if that 20% was figured in as zeros?

As for the health insurance, lets see a chart on cost. Of course uninsuranced are going down, people have to buy health coverage. Duhhhh!!!!

I'd like to see the real unemployment numbers. I'd bet if they took in people who have stopped looking for work the 5% unemployment rate would jump to over 10% easy. Also, what about the underemployed. The college grads who are working for $10 an hour at Starbucks.

I had read that 46% of Americans don't even have $400 in their bank account. If that's true then we are in more trouble economically than what the government would have you believe.
 
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ivwshane

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Lol! And here we go! "let's see the real numbers", the numbers must be wrong! Surely they didn't do a complete enough study that meets my arbitrary requirements!
 

Jhhnn

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Finally, what we have under Obama is a country dependent on government handouts. That's what we have. I've also read that if most Americans lost their job, they only have enough to see them thru a few months. That's it. Again, it comes down to income.

It's the result of magical thinking about decades of trickle down economics. Wealth isn't distributed under poorly regulated Capitalism. It's concentrated into the hands of a few, precisely the situation the Repubs have fought to achieve since before Reagan. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing, either.

As the middle class got cut out of the flow of cash, as offshoring & mostly automation eliminated the Capitalist need for our work it didn't eliminate our need for that money. The welfare state is a reaction to that & not something to be looked down on. It's the only way we'll get a larger share of after tax national income, like it or not. We have no alternative that doesn't leave us poorer.

We need to expand what we see as our birthright, not succumb to divisive propaganda.
 
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piasabird

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Reminds me of Nero Fiddling (or playing Golf) while Rome burns. Been to Black Lives Matter Protest lately? Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than any other president. Not many people left to pay taxes except for all the h1b visa holders.
 

thraashman

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Reminds me of Nero Fiddling (or playing Golf) while Rome burns. Been to Black Lives Matter Protest lately? Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than any other president. Not many people left to pay taxes except for all the h1b visa holders.
I love the cognitive dissonance here. Evidence shows Obama as President has reduced income inequality more than anyone, you interpret this as he's destroyed the middle class more than anyone. Like, how does one even post something this remarkably stupid and not feel the need to punch themselves in the dick for being so absurd?
 
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zinfamous

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You only need one little economic issue to put everything you worked for in jeaporady. This is why millionaire is the new middle class. Even then, a million dollars really isn't a lot of money. I know I'm not even there yet when it comes to financial fortitude. I want to get to the point that I have a million in my bank account, so I can weather any economic storm.

lol. no it fucking isn't. :D
 

zinfamous

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Reminds me of Nero Fiddling (or playing Golf) while Rome burns. Been to Black Lives Matter Protest lately? Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than any other president. Not many people left to pay taxes except for all the h1b visa holders.

--sees data that shows evidence of a thing
--says "Nuh Uh! It ain't that thing!"

wow.
 

OverVolt

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I don't think income inequality means what you think it means.

http://inequality.org/income-inequality/

Also the largest student loan bubble ever has ballooned, so its easy to fly the George W. Bush Mission Accomplished banner before the consequences have time to manifest. The millennials, if reliant under Obamacare, are in an income trap. Its about twice as difficult now to go from low class or working class to middle class. I would know because I did it.

Its actually much more comforting and easy to stay poor forever. So this throwing money at the problem hasn't solved all that ills. It would've been such a relief to stay in the bottom 20%, get a federally subsidized apartment in a rural town that can't charge more than 30% of your income so long as its below $24k and then hustle for cash on the side, like bar-tending. And enjoy my $7.50/month health insurance.
 
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rudder

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I think Wall Street would disagree. Years of zero percent interest rates have allowed many companies to buy back stock.

Even Obama has admitted his policies have benefited the top 1%.

But I understand it is so hard for people to see through the liberal media. You know the same media that has claimed for years that Obama has deported more people than any other president.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't think income inequality means what you think it means.

http://inequality.org/income-inequality/

Also the largest student loan bubble ever has ballooned, so its easy to fly the George W. Bush Mission Accomplished banner before the consequences have time to manifest. The millennials, if reliant under Obamacare, are in an income trap. Its about twice as difficult now to go from low class or working class to middle class. I would know because I did it.

Its actually much more comforting and easy to stay poor forever. So this throwing money at the problem hasn't solved all that ills. It would've been such a relief to stay in the bottom 20%, get a federally subsidized apartment in a rural town that can't charge more than 30% of your income so long as its below $24k and then hustle for cash on the side, like bar-tending. And enjoy my $7.50/month health insurance.

And what do the Job Creators offer instead for millions of Americans, other than empty promises?
 

zinfamous

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I think Wall Street would disagree. Years of zero percent interest rates have allowed many companies to buy back stock.

Even Obama has admitted his policies have benefited the top 1%.

But I understand it is so hard for people to see through the liberal media. You know the same media that has claimed for years that Obama has deported more people than any other president.

Obviously you have some data on this that clearly contradicts the previously published data on this?
 

Jhhnn

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Obviously you have some data on this that clearly contradicts the previously published data on this?

It's just the usual duh-version. I rather suspect that Obama would have done more with a Congress that cared more for the general public than their billionaire backers.
 
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Your first graph is based on those with healthcare. So you equate putting a gun to every American head and saying "Buy health insurance or we will penalize you" is a valid means of depicting monetary and overall economic equality? Are you high as fuck? Can I have what you're smoking? Not to mention, the YoY increases and number of participants in the program gets more and laughable year after year.
I don't think income inequality means what you think it means.

http://inequality.org/income-inequality/

Also the largest student loan bubble ever has ballooned, so its easy to fly the George W. Bush Mission Accomplished banner before the consequences have time to manifest. The millennials, if reliant under Obamacare, are in an income trap. Its about twice as difficult now to go from low class or working class to middle class. I would know because I did it.

Its actually much more comforting and easy to stay poor forever. So this throwing money at the problem hasn't solved all that ills. It would've been such a relief to stay in the bottom 20%, get a federally subsidized apartment in a rural town that can't charge more than 30% of your income so long as its below $24k and then hustle for cash on the side, like bar-tending. And enjoy my $7.50/month health insurance.

Ultimately, this is one of the largest problems in our society.

Why take a step out of what is deemed "poverty" levels?

Let me break down of the list of things you will lose the MOMENT you step out of "poverty" levels.
1. Loss of Subsidies for foodstamps / SNAP.
2. Loss of Welfare
3. Loss of subsidies for Cable Television
4. Loss of subsidies for cell phones
5. Loss of Tax Subsidies
6. Loss of ACA/Obamacare Subsidies.
7. Paying less in taxes. The more you make, the more you pay per our progressive tax brackets.


That is just a list of the top of my head. Unless you can magically go from "below poverty" to 3-5x above "below poverty" magically overnight... why would you ever do such? Please. Do tell.
 

bshole

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lol. no it fucking isn't. :D

Technically I am a millionaire and I am in the middle class. Believe me a million dollars is not all that much money. If you are middle class you should be shooting for assets of at least 3 million to retire on.
 

JSt0rm

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well once we add in he is black we will see these statistics dont really matter.